An anti-german UK is not going to survive. It is unconditional surrender or the bombing continues. The UK has no friends left. This means even something as drastic as the morgentau plan could happen here.
TL-191: The fate of Britain post-SGW
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They still have the French, Russians and I guess the Canadians. The latter are not much use against Germany, but angry French and Russians are even if only as a distraction.
In the case of the former how about a Breton state a la Quebec
? Russia can be forced back by a series of client states a la post USSR OTL and part of Siberia can be transferred back to China from whom it was taken from in 1858/60 .India and South Africa will go independent and Australia will probably become an open US client.
For a Morgenthu Plan, you really need physical occupation. Whilst that could probably be done to France, an unoccupied UK is not really on the cards.
I'm not 100% sure of your meaning here as I think there might be a typo? In any case, I don't think the Germans could actually ban the British from owning WMDs - that horse has bolted. As I've previously argued, even if the UK did officially relinquish its nuclear programme in the peace agreement, there is nothing to stop them from renewing it when the moment is ripe. They have the research, the expertise and the facilities. Germany can only 'cripple' the British by occupying the country outright, and Berlin has much more important things to worry about in France, Russia and other parts of continental Europe.
I respectfully disagree, for several reasons. Firstly, Germany would not be able to impose an unconditional surrender on the British. Yes, they could keep dropping atomic bombs on British cities - at least, until they run out of bombs (they're not exactly a quick build). There's also the fact that, although the British programme was a little behind Germany's, the UK was still capable of manufacturing and using atomic bombs, so Germany would face further atomic destruction if the two decided to enter into a protracted nuclear war - is that a price Germany would be willing to pay?
I agree that at the end of the Second Great War Britain's allies were largely defeated, but I do not believe that this would facilitate a German invasion and occupation of the island of Great Britain (which is presumably what you envision, if you believe something like the Morgenthau Plan could be implemented). The Royal Navy was down but it not out, whereas the German fleet had been defeated in 1943. It's very unlikely that the Germans would have been able to construct a new fleet within two years capable of decisively defeating the Royal Navy in its home waters, whilst simultaneously fighting a bitter land war on several fronts. It would be much wiser for the Germans to focus their attentions on pushing Russian influence eastwards and crippling France - especially as it is those land powers that pose the greater threat to German hegemony.
Not something that I remember from the series. Then again there is a great deal to take in.
So, yeah, how would the atrocities of the British Empire be seen ITTL? I imagine historians ITTL would argue that Britain's fall to *fascism was something which was connected to the atrocities of the British Empire and that the roots of British *fascism can be linked to the British Empire's mindset.
Likely what we seen with German atrocity before the Nazis came to power as those atrocity’s were see a the prelude of the Holocaust and Nazis atrocities during WW2. So I imagine that pp will view the British Empire done in South Africa, India and Ireland be the preclude of the Sliver shirts crime on Ireland as well as Bomber Harris incriminate bombing run on Holland and German cities regardless of civilian losses.