TL-191: After the End
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I have a question about the Japanese Spring that has been promised for March 2011 even if this story ends in 2009. I guess just like the Kobe earthquake decided the post-Sakamoto power struggle, it's the Tokuho earthquake that ignites the Japanese spring end hopefully the end of Himura Tamiko and the JWR. Or how shall I imagine this?
Yes, that is more or less what happens (although the subsequent transformation of the former JWR into this world’s first ever “ecoist” state is a process that takes place over most of TTL’s 2010s).
David, I must ask if you'd ever update this timeline to include this decade. It'd be genuinely fascinating to see your hints play out and more.
Possibly, although I have nothing concrete planned at the moment. I have certain events (and some broader trends) in mind for this world, but nothing as fleshed out as the previous posts. One of the reasons that I ended this TL in 2009 was because I didn’t want to cross over too much into futuristic speculation.
For most of the 20th Century (particularly after the First Great War), Catholic voters tended to vote for the Socialists; the first Catholic president (Al Smith) in TTL was elected by that party.
Over the last few decades in TTL (1980s-2000s) the Republicans have gained a larger share of the Catholic vote; the Republicans (and to a lesser extent the Democrats) have benefited from changing socioeconomic trends that have weakened the party loyalties of different Socialist constituencies. The Republicans have also moved to contest the power of the Socialist Party in heavily Catholic regions of the country in recent decades.
It should be mentioned that in the TTL’s USA of 2009, the Catholic Church is by far the largest single Christian church (while Protestants remain a plurality of the population).
I'm assuming this is due to the socialist getting more liberal socially (abortion,gay marrige)?
Not necessarily. In TTL, the Republicans are arguably the most socially liberal party (which, in any case, means something different from our world’s US political spectrum).
Although there are different push-pull factors regarding party affiliation and voting patterns depending on the time and location in question, generally voters shifted away from the Socialists in TTL due to a combination of party complacency (in locations where the Socialists dominated for decades), the changing socioeconomic conditions of traditionally Socialist voting blocs, and the Republican campaigns to attract traditionally Socialist voters, to varrying degrees of success.
The Democrats experienced similar issues after the Republicans returned as national contenders in the 1980s.
So far in TTL, there have been far fewer political conflicts over social issues in the US than in our world, though that is likely to change in TTLs 2010s.
Im assuming Abortion is not apart of the republican platform, Im a catholic and I can assure you that A majority of us would vote aganst anything which held abortion in it.
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Are video game consoles and games themselves up to par with OTL 2009 (when this TL ended if memory serves) or are they significantly behind or ahead?
It isn’t a plank in any of the three party’s platforms. TTL’s USA has a very different political culture compared to OTL.
For broad trends and a few specific events, yes. But nothing written down.
Behind OTL 2009 by five to ten years.
I think you probably already said this but I forgot Rap and Jazz what's up with that with the black holocost
Just one question,How do Mormons vote, I think the Republicans would have a lock on them due to making Hawiil, a state
American music diverged from its OTL path long before the Second Great War in TTL.
As another poster pointed out on this thread (when the question of rock and roll existing in TTL came up), one of the long term results of the viciously racist CSA (and a USA hostile to any music that sounded too “Southern”) was that there would be far fewer avenues of opportnuity for African American musicians to reach a popular audience compared to our world. This is before the advent of the genocidal Featherston regime.
I imagined that in TTL popular music in the USA would be more heavily influenced by the songwriters and composers in locales such as NYC’s Tin Pan Alley - jazz in TTL is known as “tinpan.” The tinpan of TTL’s 1930s, ‘40s, and well into the ‘50s sounds like many of the big bands of OTL’s northern cities (while being sadder and more slow paced compared to OTL big band music).
The long term results of TTL’s American cultural tastes (and the devastation of TTL’s south) means that nothing like OTL rock and roll (and all of the genres and forms derived from rock) exists in this world. It also takes longer for there to form a national and international pop music market comparable to our world’s markets (and the music being listened to by audiences is very different from our world’s as of TTL 2009).
Mormons are considered to be a reliably Republican constituency as of TTL’s 2009.
The USA is one of the leading nations in TTL in terms of aircraft technology (although, with no Cold War, certain technologies are behind OTL).
