TL-191: After the End

This is my attempt to write a post-Second Great War TL. Below is the first section.

After the End​

July 14, 1944—The acting President of the Confederate States of America, Don Partridge, officially surrenders his nation to the United States, before being taken into custody by General Irving Morrell. After eighty-three years of independence, the CSA ceases to exist.

Subsequently, the former country is completely occupied by U.S. troops, and divided into several military districts.

August 1, 1944 onwards—Emboldened by the collapse of the Russians in Europe, the Japanese launch an invasion of Siberia, to seize as much territory as they can. Although Vladivostok is quickly taken, the Russians prove to far tougher than previously thought. A stalemate begins in the vast wilderness. The expedition will end with Japanese control over several southern provinces, as well as Kamchatka, though Russia will still maintain a link with the Bering Sea, by the time fighting ends with a hostile truce in mid-1951...

August 11, 1944—The Treaty of Aachen formally marks the surrender of the European Entente to the Central Powers. The key points of the accord include:

• The recognition of Germany’s jurisdiction over Belgium.
• The occupation of Northwestern France for a period of no less than twenty years.
• France loses French Equatorial Africa, Madagascar, and all of its West African colonies to Germany. Austria-Hungary gains the Seychelles and Reunion.
• Britain is forced to sever all formal political ties with South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, and loses Botswana, Sierra Leone, the Gold Coast, the Gambia, and Nyasaland to Germany. Ireland’s independence is recognized. Malta is transferred to Austria-Hungary. In a separate agreement, Britain is also forced to surrender Winston Churchill and Oswald Mosley for a war crimes trial in Germany.
• Russia is forced to recognize the independence of Estonia, Finland, Belarus, Azerbaijan, and Chechnya. However, the Germans make no move to force the Russians to hand over their disputed Siberian provinces to the Japanese.
• America’s jurisdiction over all French and British Caribbean colonies is recognized. The USA also gains French Polynesia, the Gilbert Islands, the Cook Islands, and New Caledonia. Guatemala gains British Honduras, while Brazil gains both British Guyana and French Guinea.
• All three nations are forced to admit to war guilt, as well as pay a huge level of restitution for damages caused in the conflict. Britain, France, and Russia are also forbidden from maintaining large armies or navies, or from possessing any weapons of mass destruction.

The Japanese sign a separate peace treaty with Great Britain, which ends with Hong Kong, Singapore, Sarawak, Burma, and Malaysia ceded to the Japanese.

1945 onwards—Large numbers of Frenchmen begin to immigrate to the Republic of Quebec, not wanting to face life under German domination. Under U.S. pressure, former members of Action Française are explicitly banned from entering the country, though there are those who slip through nonetheless.

January 20, 1945—Thomas Dewey is inaugurated as the 34th President of the United States. In his speech, he lays out a series of ambitious goals, including the incorporation of the former Confederate States into the Union, and working with the German Empire to prevent other nations from acquiring superbombs.

January 22, 1945—In a private audience with the Japanese ambassador, Dewey explicitly warns against trying to seize Russian Alaska.

March 9, 1945—Continuing his moves to reform the government, the Democratic-controlled Congress passes two of the new President’s biggest shake-ups to date. The new Department of Defense consolidates the War Department into a more manageable body (and also establishes an independent United States Air Force). Likewise, a new body, the Organization of Strategic Services, is established to better coordinate and enhance America’s intelligence gathering abilities.

June, 1945—A U.S. sponsored coup in Mexico removes Emperor Francisco Jose from power, who is executed by the perpetrators. A junta of pro-Republican military officers takes control in Mexico City, promising Philadelphia that they will move to establish Mexico as a representative democracy “at all deliberate speed.” The political chaos in Mexico, combined with the shattered postwar economy, sparks a large migration into the United States.

In its first elections held since the end of the Second Great War, the Afrikaner National Party sweeps to power in South Africa. A policy of Apartheid is quickly implemented to control its black population, drawing strong condemnation from the United States and muted protests from Germany. Over the next few years, South Africa becomes a favorite destination for desperate Southern war criminals. Some will play key roles in the atrocities committed by the South African government over the next several decades.

August, 1945 onwards—Operation Eagle Claw, the re-settlement of Utah’s Mormon population to the Big Island in the Sandwich Isles begins. An attempt to start yet another revolt ends in disaster, with the perpetrators executed. Utah will largely be empty of Mormons by the end of the year. It will subsequently be opened for settlement…

December, 1945—Ferdinand Koenig, Saul Goldman, Jefferson Pinkard, Vern Green, and Mercer Scott are all hung within days of each other.

1946 onwards—In order to assist the two million survivors of the Southron Holocaust re-establish some form of livelihood, and to hasten the reconstruction of Haiti, President Dewey announces that the Caribbean nation will be open to unlimited immigration of all survivors. Over time, most will make the journey.

British rule in India completely collapses during this year, as the new provisional government begins a hasty withdrawal. After a long period of chaos and violence in many parts of the former Raj, the situation will calm somewhat by the mid-1950s.

The new nations include the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Republic of Bengal, the State of Sri Lanka, the Republic of Bharat, the State of Hyderabad, and the new Japanese puppet Republic of Burma.

January 5, 1946—Winston Churchill and Oswald Mosley are both executed by the Germans, for their role in sparking the Second Great War and the bombing of Hamburg.

April 2, 1946—Alberta becomes the first former Canadian province to be established as a U.S. territory, due to the fact that it remained largely calm during the last Canadian revolt (and due to the large number of U.S. settlers now living there).

August 1, 1946—The Territory of Baja California is formally established.

August 8, 1946—In a referendum, the citizens of Cuba vote to seek ascension to the Union as a state. Despite the desire of some die-hards for independence, most were simply grateful to be rid of the Freedom Party.

January 1, 1947—Cuba is admitted into the Union. It will be the only former Confederate state to regularly vote for the Socialists.

June 6—August, 1948—President Dewey authorizes the beginning of Operation Husky: the invasion of Russian Alaska, commanded by General Daniel MacArthur.

His Socialist opponent, Senator Henry Wallace of Iowa, accuses Dewey of “politics by other means,” and claims that the offensive is “Dewey’s folly,” both of which gain him jeers from the pro-Democratic newspapers.

Despite rough terrain and stiff pockets of Russian resistance, the invasion is a complete success. Dewey’s prospects for reelection, already high thanks to the recovering economy, skyrocket even further.

November 2, 1948—President Dewey wins a fairly easy victory over Senator Wallace. The Democrats also retain control of Congress, although the Socialists gain seats thanks to the elections for Cuba’s Congressional delegation. It’s seen by most as a full vindication of the President’s domestic and foreign policy.

1949 onwards—Sparked by France’s final defeat at the hands of Germany, and by years of brutal rule by Action Française, a bloody war for independence breaks out in Algeria, led by the underground Army of National Liberation. Although far from sympathetic for their cause, the Germans do nothing to assist the French forces in the country; by late 1949, Germany finally steps in and orders all French forces to vacate the colony. Most former French settlers flee either to South Africa or Quebec. Algeria’s Jews mostly leave for Quebec as well.

January 20, 1949—In his inaugural speech, President Dewey calls for a “united front of democratic states to create a just and lasting peace.”

February 14, 1949—In what will later become known as the “Valentine’s Day Pitch,” President Dewey, in a special address to Congress, proposes the creation of the Compact of Democratic States (CDS), to forge a lasting political, military, and economic alliance between all willing participants.

February 20, 1949—Japan formally annexes Hainan Island.

March 1, 1949—The Treaty of Philadelphia establishes the Compact of Democratic States. Besides the United States, the signatories include Quebec, Ireland, Liberia, Texas, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Ecuador, Chile, and the provisional government of Haiti. Among other things, it promises mutual defense for all member states, and an eventual reduction in trade barriers. It will be headquartered in New York City.

In a separate agreement signed a few days later, the United States arranges for the establishment of a Nicaragua Canal, securing a ten-mile wide canal zone from government of the country in question. The groundbreaking ceremony will be in January of 1950.

January 22, 1950—Sonora, Chihuahua, Jamaica, the Bahamas (including Bermuda), and Newfoundland are established as Territories.

March 3, 1950—In another major legislative victory for President Dewey, the Immigration Reform Act of 1950 is passed by Congress and signed into law (thanks to large numbers of Socialist votes). The new bill, pushed hard by Congresswoman Blackford, abolishes the 1930s-era restrictions put forward by President Hoover, and explicitly allows the immigration of groups under threat “from genocide or persecution,” in recognition of the failure to take in large numbers of black refugees prior to the war.

1951 onwards—Exploiting the former Confederate scientists from Huntsville and Lexington, the United States begins working towards detonating a sunbomb, as well as towards the creation of ballistic missiles.

April 15, 1951—Australia and New Zealand, both concerned of the looming threat of an attack by the Japanese Empire, become signatories of the CDS.

June 30, 1951—The German Empire and Austria-Hungary detonate the world’s first sunbomb at a remote testing facility in German Southwest Africa. The United States promptly begins accelerating its own efforts to acquire the weapon.

1951 onwards—Buoyed by the liberalized American laws regarding immigration, a new wave of migrants begins to arrive in the USA. This new migration includes Serbs, Montenegrins, Albanians, Italians, Romanians, Croats, Bosnians, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, and Jews (mostly from Russia). Early members of this new wave are encouraged by the government to settle in newly vacant Utah, as well as the Canadian and Southern frontiers.

Besides the European immigrants, a smaller wave also begins to flow from America’s West Indian territories, with most settling in New York City. Mexican migrants continue to pour into both the Southwest and former CSA, while (with Japanese encouragement) significant numbers of Chinese refugees (mostly from the coastal cities and Hainan), begin to arrive in California.

January 1, 1952—Mirroring the creation of the CDS, the Germans and Austro-Hungarians unveil the new European Community, to be based in Berlin. The primary purpose of the new organization is to complete the domination over Britain and France. Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and the Central Powers puppet states in Eastern Europe also join on this date. Besides serving as a political and military alliance, the Treaty of Vienna promises to break down all remaining trade barriers on the continent (with the intended effects of German and Austro-Hungarian corporations dominating all of their possible rivals).

July 15, 1952—The United States detonates its first sunbomb at a remote base in the Gilbert Islands.

November 4, 1952—With the personal popularity of President Dewey at his back, and a humming economy, Harry Truman is elected as America’s 35th President, over Socialist Adlai Stevenson of Illinois and Republican Harold Stassen of Minnesota.

May 22, 1953—The Independence Movement (IM) is inaugurated at a summit in Constantinople. A loose alliance anchored by the Ottoman Empire and the Empire of Brazil, the IM is designed to provide an umbrella for nations to resist domination by the Americans, Germans, or Japanese. Besides the Ottomans and Brazil, it includes the Indian, African, and South American countries un-aligned to any major power.

February 8, 1955—Britain grants independence to Kenya and Uganda, due to the financial difficulties of maintaining a hold on them. Both quickly join the IM.

August 4, 1955—Alberta votes to become the first Canadian territory to join the Union; formal admittance will come in 1956, in time for the Presidential elections.

November 6, 1956—President Truman wins a close contest against New York Governor William Averell Harriman.

May 1, 1957—Newfoundland is admitted into the Union.

April 5, 1958—Houston, Kentucky, and Tennessee are formally re-admitted into the Union, as the military rule of the three states comes to an end.

January 1, 1959 onwards—Britain formally grants independence to Nigeria, which soon collapses into a civil war between the Yoruba and Igbo dominated south and the Hausa dominated north. The Germans side with the southern forces, and force a truce by early 1960, which create three new nations (one Hausa, one Yoruba, and one Igbo). The primary motive for the German alliance with the southern coalition was to guarantee access to the sizable oil deposits in the southeast. Certain German and Austro-Hungarian companies will gain valuable concessions…

September 15, 1959—The Nicaragua Canal is completed.

November 1, 1959—The first open elections are held in Mexico since the 1946 coup. The conservative Liberal Reconstruction Party (dominated by the army) sweep into power, against accusations of vote rigging and corruption from the opposition Socialists. Despite this controversy, President Truman publicaly declares the elections “open and free.”

November 8, 1960—The Socialist Party ticket, comprised of Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey and Washington State’s Warren Magnuson recaptures the White House, after twelve years of Democratic control. A prime concern for the President-elect is the growing possibility that Japan may soon gain a superbomb…

January 20, 1961—Hubert Humphrey is inaugurated as the 36th President of the United States.


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I liked it.

What about the other characters from the series? Couldn't Chester Martin have become an officer or something??
Liked it a lot!

maybe a bit more detail about how the ex CSA is adapting (is there much resistance or does it fade away - like the warewolf threat in post war germany)

but that small quibble aside , ..... great ... keep it coming


Liked it a lot!

maybe a bit more detail about how the ex CSA is adapting (is there much resistance or does it fade away - like the warewolf threat in post war germany)
I'm guessing the most die hard ones are leaving for South Africa. Speaking of: Is SA part of the IM?
I liked it.

What about the other characters from the series? Couldn't Chester Martin have become an officer or something??


I plan to wrap it up with a "Whatever Happened to..." segment after the timeline itself is done.

Liked it a lot!

maybe a bit more detail about how the ex CSA is adapting (is there much resistance or does it fade away - like the warewolf threat in post war germany)

but that small quibble aside , ..... great ... keep it coming


By 1960, the former CSA is mostly pacified. No matter how much they hate the USA, the locals aren't eager to volunteer themselves for hostage duty. The pamphlet Equality has also had a major impact.

Mosley was a peace time Prime Minister of the UK, and as such, its unlikely he'd face charges as a war criminal.

Mosley was the Minister of War, IIRC.

I'm guessing the most die hard ones are leaving for South Africa. Speaking of: Is SA part of the IM?

Nope; the IM isn't very enamored with apartheid. They're somewhat friendly with the Germans, but not a full member of the European Community.

Cool so far. :cool:

Glad you like it. :)

he quit the military so not likely, no.

Yup. Currently he's doing his best to return to as normal a civilian life as possible...
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Very nice. Glad to see you keeping with the 'Turtledove butterfly effect' with the mass amount of immigrants and especially Hispanics moving into America.

Will any Canadian provinces be split as they move into statehood? Will Bermuda become a state or seperate territory? And I never knew how America got control of Jamaica, anyways, in TL-191 like so many maps show...:(
I've always had a feeling that Austria-Hungary would collapse

Well, their Empire has managed to survive through another Great War, so they'll be surviving for a while to come (in Germany's shadow, of course).

Very nice. Glad to see you keeping with the 'Turtledove butterfly effect' with the mass amount of immigrants and especially Hispanics moving into America.

Will any Canadian provinces be split as they move into statehood? Will Bermuda become a state or seperate territory? And I never knew how America got control of Jamaica, anyways, in TL-191 like so many maps show...:(

Most will enter the Union as they are (though British Columbia will have a new name).

Bermuda is part of the Bahamas Territory.

I assumed America gained Jamaica in the final peace settlement myself.
i like it very much,
i'd like to know about the political changes in the old CSA, what party is strongest down there? the Democrats being anti-CSA for so long and the Socialists are to far left for the CSA. so are the Republicans regrouping in the south land? or are the Whigs and Rad Libs coming back?
also Texas? what's going on there?
Mormons how is all of this changing them? when will the Sandwich Isles become states, and Russian Alaska?
how are all the non-Americans taking being part of the USA?
I assumed America gained Jamaica in the final peace settlement myself.

Aye. I definately thought Jamaica would fall during the second great war, it was just never mentioned. Having all the major Anglophone regions of North America under one flag is always enjoyable, though. :D
I definitely agree that many Confederate die-hards would likely move to South Africa. It wouldn't be any kind of mass-exodus or anything, but I see at least enough for it to be noteworthy.

I always kind of saw Chester Martin continuing his slow slide into politics, probably eventually running for office and ending up as a prominent Socialist Congressman or Senator.

Over time, I think its likely that we will see a Cold War develop between Germany and the USA, the beginnings of which were alluded to at several points during the American Empire series. They are the only two countries with superbombs, and even though they were on the same side during the war, I don't think that the foreign policy goals of the two new superpowers are going to necessarily continue along the same track.
Ah, finally someone who's decided to do a post-Setting Accounts Timeline-191...uh, TL. Good stuff so far, but I do wish we would get to see more of the problems and politics of the smaller nations around the world; also, what provinces that are in dispute with Russia does Japan now 'formally' have? Just wondering.

Also, what's up with the Republic of Texas? Will we get to see her succession of Presidents after Wright Patman? And how do Texans feel about being an American satellite nation, etc.? As for the Ottoman empire, what's going on with them? We know they have the IM now (I wasn't actually expecting this...I thought maybe they'd be thrown into the U.S.'s camp after perhaps fearing growing German dominance), will they get a superbomb? What does it currently look like right now (i.e. what territories do they hold)?

As for Austria-Hungary...if I recall correctly, I've heard before that an idea once posited by Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to eventually turn the empire over into some sort of confederation between her participant nations; perhaps this is what happens to her, rather than fall apart? It still retains all the territories she once had as a monarchy, but it's a parliamentary democracy, or something like that at some point in the future (it also gives a bit of poke toward the satellite nations of the Soviet Union in eastern Europe, considering Germany's growing dominance). Which brings me to another point: maybe a Hohenzollern who tries to unite the throne with Habsburgs?
What I want to know is, when did Sam Carsten finally succumb to skin cancer?

Well if you want to know he said he wanted to take the longest sun-bath ever getting the world record for sun-born and getting and his dead body dip in zinc oxide
What I want to know is, when did Sam Carsten finally succumb to skin cancer?

Well, uh, logically going by the end of Settling Accounts regarding Sam Carsten, we can assume of course that he's probably succumbed to skin cancer by around 1960, or I'd at least think so.

Of course, there's always the possibility that we may have to deal with his treatments regarding it. :p
Nicely done, but a few questions:

1) Is there now an independent U.S. Air Force under the DOD reorganization? One would think that the Army aviators have been chafing to be on their own, as they did in OTL.

2) U.S. Navy's first nuclear sub-in 1955? U.S.S. Nautilus as in OTL?

3) I gather that if there is an independent USAF, there's SAC, TAC, ADC, and MATS....

4) Australia and NZ hosting U.S. military forces, perhaps?