The Union Forever: A TL

[Kaiser Chris]

Number one

 

[RyderWest]

One

 

[Prince Daemon Targaryen]

1

 

[Luminous]

post your own candidate.

Welp. Got a few: Some based on choice 1, some based on the old Dervish flag.

Dervishes: Using Mac's Reds and Blues rather than the more garish OTL shades.


Choice 1 Derivatives: First three just are recolors/using the lynx from the Italian coat of arms. Second three are based on the colors of the British Somaliland Coat of Arms; it's where the shield is from.

 

[Lalli]

Welp. Got a few: Some based on choice 1, some based on the old Dervish flag.

Dervishes: Using Mac's Reds and Blues rather than the more garish OTL shades.
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Choice 1 Derivatives: First three just are recolors/using the lynx from the Italian coat of arms. Second three are based on the colors of the British Somaliland Coat of Arms; it's where the shield is from.
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These upper flags looks like bit odd. Perhaps circles looks like bit better.

 

[Mac Gregor]

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2 looks better, but 1 looks more plausible.

So I vote for 1.

Number one

One

1

Welp. Got a few: Some based on choice 1, some based on the old Dervish flag.

Dervishes: Using Mac's Reds and Blues rather than the more garish OTL shades.
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Choice 1 Derivatives: First three just are recolors/using the lynx from the Italian coat of arms. Second three are based on the colors of the British Somaliland Coat of Arms; it's where the shield is from.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. #1 clearly won, so I went with a slightly altered version that Luminous posted. The runner-up can be the dominion flag. See below for the flags of Somalia through the years. Cheers!

posted. Cheers!

 

[Thothian]

Mac Gregor, did you ever cover what happened to Alois and Klara Hitler?

They were both born before the POD, but didn't meet until after it in the OTL.

So probably they wouldn't meet, and definitely their infamous son would never be born.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Mac Gregor, did you ever cover what happened to Alois and Klara Hitler?

They were both born before the POD, but didn't meet until after it in the OTL.

So probably they wouldn't meet, and definitely their infamous son would never be born.

I haven't covered them yet. Needless to say Adolf Hitler was never born ITTL. Would be interested in seeing an update on his parents.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Frost and Blood
The IEF Civil War
November 2001 – March 2002 ​

Reformer artillery defending Smolensk​

If the Conservatives hoped that by recapturing Arkhangelsk the Reformers would quickly collapse they were sadly mistaken. Throughout the winter, attacks and counterattacks raged along the western front. In late November and through much of December the belligerents clashed over Smolensk. The Conservatives eventually carried the city but only after it was reduced to rubble. In January, an attempt to wrest control of Odessa from the Reformers failed spectacularly, providing a much needed boost to the Reformers who desperately wanted to keep access to the Black Sea. By the end of February, Conservatives had captured most of Kuban and pushed south to the Sochi River until stopped by Georgian forces.

With the war approaching its second year, states on the periphery of the conflict further distanced themselves from the Imperial Eurasian Federation. In Poland, which had been virtually free of IEF forces for nearly two years, a November referendum ratified a new constitution. The provisional government of the Polish Free State was largely returned to lead the new Republic of Poland. The following month, Lidka Gorski was sworn in as the nation’s first president. On January 8, Germany officially recognized Poland as an independent and sovereign country. The rest of the Association of European States quickly followed. Many had expected that recognition of Gorski’s government would lead to war with the Conservatives and maybe even the Reformers as well. Fortunately, for the inhabitants of Europe, neither St. Petersburg nor Moscow had the strength to risk a confrontation with the German Empire. Emboldened, the Finnish ruling council offered the crown to German Emperor Wilhelm III’s second cousin Augustus Adolph Hohenzollern-Bernadotte. Wishing to appear on par with the other Scandinavian nations, the legislature elevated the grand duchy to a kingdom. Augustus Adolph was crowned as King Kustaa Aadolf on March 31 in Helsinki. Recognition from the AES swiftly followed. Neither Pasternak nor Kuznetsov's governments acknowledged Poland or Finland's new regimes.

In the Caucuses and Central Asia, Persia and Turkey competed for influence amongst the region’s Muslim inhabitants by trying to outdo each other in providing weapons, money, and supplies. Much of this aid was directed at securing the region’s independence from the IEF but some of it was used to settle old scores between the rebels. In western Armenia, a Turkish backed insurgency was gaining steam against the Christian majority while in the east Azeris and Armenians skirmished over the demarcation of their border. Ismail Fitrat and his Democratic Union of Turkic Republics spent the winter hurriedly turning their guerrilla army into a force that could defend Central Asia if the IEF attempted to return.

The conflict between the Technocrats and other factions intensified in Manchuria. China continued to pour resources into the conflict allowing the Krulikists to be much better equipped than their rivals. The widely held belief that China was using aerial autocrafts (AAC)s for reconnaissance and to conduct airstrikes on behalf of their proxies was confirmed when the downed wreckage of one was recovered near Harbin. Unconvincingly, Yu Qishan's government in Peking continued to deny any involvement.

Chinese AAC in action over Manchuria​

 

[Lalli]

It seems that IEF might dissolve. And leaders in St. Petersburg and Moscow hardly are happy about recognition but both side then win the war them haven't much options. Probably them have just recognise facts and accept indepedent nations.

 

[Luminous]

Poor Armenia...

 

[Archangel]

I'm wondering if in the end, there won't be a partition between the two governments. Even if the IEF stay under one government, they lose the peripheral areas possibly for good.

 

[RyderWest]

IEF is screwed for sure.

Also, China doing the two sided PR thing, which is not helping the Americans calm fears about China.

 

[Prince Daemon Targaryen]

With Finland and Poland now part of the German sphere, when Kuznetzov and the Conservatives beat the reformers (I believe that is likely), then two of their most troublesome regions won't be giving them headaches anymore

 

[Lalli]

With Finland and Poland now part of the German sphere, when Kuznetzov and the Conservatives beat the reformers (I believe that is likely), then two of their most troublesome regions won't be giving them headaches anymore

Well, relationships between Germany and Russia will be long time very cold not matter win Reformists or Conservatives. They surely declare some embargos against Poland and Finland but it will be very useless.

 

[Adolfhitler]

Frost and Blood
The IEF Civil War
November 2001 – March 2002 ​

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Reformer artillery defending Smolensk​

If the Conservatives hoped that by recapturing Arkhangelsk the Reformers would quickly collapse they were sadly mistaken. Throughout the winter, attacks and counterattacks raged along the western front. In late November and through much of December the belligerents clashed over Smolensk. The Conservatives eventually carried the city but only after it was reduced to rubble. In January, an attempt to wrest control of Odessa from the Reformers failed spectacularly, providing a much needed boost to the Reformers who desperately wanted to keep access to the Black Sea. By the end of February, Conservatives had captured most of Kuban and pushed south to the Sochi River until stopped by Georgian forces.

With the war approaching its second year, states on the periphery of the conflict further distanced themselves from the Imperial Eurasian Federation. In Poland, which had been virtually free of IEF forces for nearly two years, a November referendum ratified a new constitution. The provisional government of the Polish Free State was largely returned to lead the new Republic of Poland. The following month, Lidka Gorski was sworn in as the nation’s first president. On January 8, Germany officially recognized Poland as an independent and sovereign country. The rest of the Association of European States quickly followed. Many had expected that recognition of Gorski’s government would lead to war with the Conservatives and maybe even the Reformers as well. Fortunately, for the inhabitants of Europe, neither St. Petersburg nor Moscow had the strength to risk a confrontation with the German Empire. Emboldened, the Finish ruling council offered the crown to German Emperor Wilhelm III’s second cousin Augustus Adolph Hohenzollern-Bernadotte. Wishing to appear on par with the other Scandinavian nations, the legislature elevated the grand duchy to a kingdom. Augustus Adolph was crowned as King Kustaa Aadolf on March 31 in Helsinki. Recognition from the AES swiftly followed. Neither Pasternak nor Kuznetsov's governments acknowledged Poland and Finland's new regimes.

In the Caucuses and Central Asia, Persia and Turkey competed for influence amongst the regions Muslim inhabitants by trying to outdo each other in providing weapons, money, and supplies. Much of this aid was directed at securing the region’s independence from the IEF but some of it was used to settle old scores between the rebels. In western Armenia, a Turkish backed insurgency was gaining steam against the Christian majority while in the east Azeris and Armenians skirmished over the demarcation of their border. Ismail Fitrat and his Democratic Union of Turkic Republics spent the winter hurriedly turning their guerrilla army into a force that could defend Central Asia if the IEF attempted to return.

The conflict between the Technocrats and other factions intensified in Manchuria. China continued to pour resources into the conflict allowing the Krulikists to be much better equipped than their rivals. The widely held belief that China was using aerial autocrafts (AAC)s for reconnaissance and to conduct airstrikes on behalf of their proxies was confirmed when the downed wreckage on one was recovered near Harbin. Unconvincingly, Yu Qishan's government in Peking continued to deny any involvement.

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Chinese AAC in action over Manchuria​

 

[TimTurner]

It's a good thing the IEF isn't yet dead.

 

[Luminous]

Considering that it's nearly been a century... how lopsided is the ethnic makeup in Armenia? Would have thought that by now most of the Armenians in Turkey would have left.

Then again, I don't think there were population exchanges...

 

[metastasis_d]

With Finland and Poland now part of the German sphere, when Kuznetzov and the Conservatives beat the reformers (I believe that is likely), then two of their most troublesome regions won't be giving them headaches anymore

I dunno; I think it'll be the main point of contention in the winner's foreign policy for the foreseeable future. Problem with the economy in 10 years? It's Germany's fault for letting Poland/Finland leave!

 

[Mac Gregor]

Should I be concerned that Adolf Hitler quoted my entire post but left no comment?