The Union Forever: A TL

[MatthewFirth]

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Here is a quick run down on selected American twentieth century music genres.

20th Century American Music Genres
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Delta: A guitar heavy music form named after the Mississippi Delta region where it developed. Originally performed almost exclusively by and for Black Americans over the 1920s delta became a national and later world phenomenon.

Ruckus: also known as jaleo, ruckus is fast-paced dance music from Cuba that blends Caribbean and North American instruments and styles. Ruckus became the music of choice for American dancehalls for much of the 1920s and 1930s.

Sawmill: derived from Appalachian folk music, sawmill often features fiddles and banjos. The genre gained prominence during the 1930s.

Groove: a type of music that combines elements from Delta, Ruckus, Sawmill, and Gospel. Originating in Atlanta, the genre’s popularity grew rapidly throughout the 1940s thanks to musicians such as Danny “Funky” Turpin.

Swag: A music form created in Panamanian nightclubs during the first half of the 20th century. Swag blends aspects of Ruckus and Groove music with elements from Panama’s distinctive French and Hispanic culture. Swag gained national attention in 1953 with the release of the album Street Lights by Arnold “Arnie” Arias and the Pumas.

Futuro: a music genre associated with electric guitars, synthesizers, and positive themes. Futuro germinated in New York and Havana music theatres during the late 1950s and burst onto the American music scene in 1961 with the debut of the Solitaires and their single "Electric Love."

NeoFolk: a revival of traditional American folk songs coinciding with the Civil War centennial that eventually branched out to create original titles.

Grind: a type of music developed in industrial cities in the American Northeast. It is characterized by a hard-edged sound and rebellious tone. Grind was made popular in the 1970s by bands such as Steelpusher and Barbed Wire.

Flim-Flam: a music genre originating in the Southeastern United States during the 1970s which uses a insistent recurring beat pattern and often concentrates of rural themes.

Metcrew: form of music usually featuring a piano, Spanish guitar, and drums. Made popular in the early 1980s by artists such as Heather Durand and the band The Plumbers. While metcrew songs cover a wide variety of topics, they are often noted for their wistful tone and sorrowful love ballads.

Underground: A decidedly urban music genre that makes heavy use of various percussion instruments.

Thanks.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Just finished reading this all the way through in a couple of sittings yesterday and this morning. Well done, MacGregor.

One question: I don't understand the rule about nobody born after the POD exists in both OTL and TTL.

Is this just an author's choice to give you more creative freedom? I can understand some or even a great many of those people not being born, but all? Otherwise, no complaints.

Glad you like the TL.

The reason that nobody conceived after the POD exists ITTL is because it is virtually impossible for them to do so. In other words, the odds that a particular sperm fertilized the same egg is astronomical. There may be similar people and even people with the same name but they wouldn't be the same person. Hope this helps.

 

[Luminous]

I did indeed mean the Americas. I am embarrassed to say that I have always thought that the Western Hemisphere was basically synonymous with the Americas. I will change it.

Alright, thanks! Just wanted to confirm I was on the same page. I've made the same mistake as well, as those edging in are easier to overlook.

 

[frustrated progressive]

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

This is the explanation, and a good one too.

The reason that nobody conceived after the POD exists ITTL is because it is virtually impossible for them to do so. In other words, the odds that a particular sperm fertilized the same egg is astronomical. There may be similar people and even people with the same name but they wouldn't be the same person. Hope this helps.

 

[Luminous]

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

Just curious, but why isn't it? The PoD for this timeline is nearly 140 years prior to the most recent updates, before the formation and codification of most modern sports, music, and other cultural normalities. Even assuming that nothing changed after that, the development would diverge, even without the additional influences. It's one thing that can be seen with the music genres Mac listed: a lot of stuff has a large Caribbean influence because of the inclusion of many parts of the Caribbean into the country proper. Even if a person that is similar in character and ability to an OTL singer came along, they wouldn't be the same singer (if they even became one!) because their influences are different.

 

[Kaiser Chris]

Can we have a side by side to show which Genre matches OTL?

 

[CaliBoy1990]

Here is a quick run down on selected American twentieth century music genres.

20th Century American Music Genres
​

Delta: A guitar heavy music form named after the Mississippi Delta region where it developed. Originally performed almost exclusively by and for Black Americans over the 1920s delta became a national and later world phenomenon.

Ruckus: also known as jaleo, ruckus is fast-paced dance music from Cuba that blends Caribbean and North American instruments and styles. Ruckus became the music of choice for American dancehalls for much of the 1920s and 1930s.

Sawmill: derived from Appalachian folk music, sawmill often features fiddles and banjos. The genre gained prominence during the 1930s.

Groove: a type of music that combines elements from Delta, Ruckus, Sawmill, and Gospel. Originating in Atlanta, the genre’s popularity grew rapidly throughout the 1940s thanks to musicians such as Danny “Funky” Turpin.

Swag: A music form created in Panamanian nightclubs during the first half of the 20th century. Swag blends aspects of Ruckus and Groove music with elements from Panama’s distinctive French and Hispanic culture. Swag gained national attention in 1953 with the release of the album Street Lights by Arnold “Arnie” Arias and the Pumas.

Futuro: a music genre associated with electric guitars, synthesizers, and positive themes. Futuro germinated in New York and Havana music theatres during the late 1950s and burst onto the American music scene in 1961 with the debut of the Solitaires and their single "Electric Love."

NeoFolk: a revival of traditional American folk songs coinciding with the Civil War centennial that eventually branched out to create original titles.

Grind: a type of music developed in industrial cities in the American Northeast. It is characterized by a hard-edged sound and rebellious tone. Grind was made popular in the 1970s by bands such as Steelpusher and Barbed Wire.

Flim-Flam: a music genre originating in the Southeastern United States during the 1970s which uses a insistent recurring beat pattern and often concentrates of rural themes.

Metcrew: form of music usually featuring a piano, Spanish guitar, and drums. Made popular in the early 1980s by artists such as Heather Durand and the band The Plumbers. While metcrew songs cover a wide variety of topics, they are often noted for their wistful tone and sorrowful love ballads.

Underground: A decidedly urban music genre that makes heavy use of various percussion instruments.

Thanks for the info, MacG. Sounds like folks ITTL have a lot of fascinating genres to choose from.

 

[metastasis_d]

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

What do you think butterflies are?

 

[frustrated progressive]

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

Are you Paul V McNutt?

 

[The Congressman]

Are you Paul V McNutt?

Who's that?

 

[RyderWest]

Who's that?

A member that posted random threads and had an obsession with Obama being elected in 2008 no matter what timeline, even though logically he should not exist due to the butterfly effect.

I might ignore this TL from now on. The fact this is completely fictional with no proper OTL stuff within it is not a good thing.

I think you must have missed how this TL will use the butterfly effect at the start.....

This TL hopefully will also demonstrate the powerful effect that small butterflies can have over time.

 

[MatthewFirth]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

 

[RyderWest]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

If you can explain, how so?

We pretty much kept most of the modern concepts around, like flight, battleships, familiar but different countries, the internet, and so on. Which one do you think went too far?

 

[Lalli]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

For me it just good that TL has butterflies. It not be good if there is same events as in OTL and persons who born decades after POD. And there is still much recognsible things. Many of these have equalement in OTL.

 

[metastasis_d]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

Are you going to bother to say how?

 

[Veranius]

This is one of my favorite timelines. The fact that MacGregor took the time to come up with all the names and all the fictitious stuff (like the music types) just adds to the awesomeness. I'd love to live in this world.

 

[Luminous]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

I'd like to ask about this as well? This world isn't that dissimilar to our own; the largest difference would be the continued existence of German and Russian Empires and the multipolar world that has resulted. Heck, I know that I've disagreed with some of the choices that Mac has made, but he is thorough in creating a detailed world according to his vision and is steadfast in his decisions. Nothing changed was done so out of left field, either.

What in particular has been changed too much from OTL?

 

[CaliBoy1990]

I do think this is a good TL, it's just that I've think the butterflies were too much that's all.

Well, okay. Would you mind trying to explain this to us? I mean, it's okay if you may have difficulty(believe me, I know this has happened to me personally), but we are kinda curious to hear what you might have to say.

 

[RyderWest]

Mac, how is that update going?

It has been quiet around here.