The Union Forever: A TL

[Mac Gregor]

Well, that's one way to run an election.

I think you mean ruin an election

Good god... At least they still have faith in the Empress... For now.

Shit. Motherland Party is really ruining everything.

My money is on all of the above.

Oh boy! Set the countdown for the Technocratic Union invasion of the IEF in 3...2...1...

Shit. The one woman who can possibly talk sense to the Ultranationalists is in "protective custody". Yep; mega-Yugoslavia activate!

Here's hoping that at least one ief state can come out of this with a democracy

While the IEF could still be saved, the chances are declining by the day, and it's Motherland's fault.
Curse you Motherland If the beautiful IEF is destroyed, it will be, in large, your fault. You silenced the sensible Empress, you stole an election, and you displayed no respect to the ethnic minorities of the IEF.
Let me say it again... Curse you Motherland .

That's one hell of an election.

Still a better election than ours.

Makes me wonder whether this is setting the stage for a sort of IEF Civil War/Breakup of Yugoslavia/Soviet Union scenario. Honestly I don't even think those scenarios can be compared to this! This is just crazy in terms of the numbers of people/geography involved.

What scares me is this is Yugoslavia level unrest and possibly civil war/breakup but with a powerful nuclear state that I doubt will go quietly into the night, though the threat of nukes may keep China out of the war.

So the Motherland Party is the main factor in the breakup of the largest country and monarchy on Earth due to xenophobic, racist, militaristic and paranoid policies and actions.

Well done.

Thanks for all the comments guys and any I missed. Keep the predictions coming.

 

[Mac Gregor]

I'll give Motherland this, if Manchuria leaves then the floodgates will have opened for the IEF to break up, and the Technate will gobble it up and could very well invade Siberia.

I wonder where did the Russians get their politicians trained, because this is not how to run a election or deal with the NYE assasinnation '99 by obviously rigging the election with closures, invalid papers or bombings and being downrighy racist and cenophobic to everyone in the IEF except the Russian majority.

More like downright scatterbrain braindead morons and clowns that are running the IEF now. I reckon Pasternak will become a hero of the people after this and Mikhail to be villified.

So the answer to regional unrest is to start a nation wide civil war? Bold move.

And might be that Tuva, Mongolia, Uyghuristan and Tibet lose their protector so China can conquer these back.

And if IEF really collapses, Motherland Party will be blamed about that long time.

The Motherland Party may also go down in history as the people who started the Second Great War between the United States and China because the Technate and Co would junp at the oppotunity to invade Siberia and all of its oil, and also invade Tibet, Manchuria and Mongolia.

My predictions would be this: China assaults Manchuria, prompting an American response. America and China go to war. Meanwhile, Germany, seeing a golden opportunity, declares its support for nations seeking Independance, sending troops to Poland, the Baltic, and Finland. They also declare the new regime illegitimate and decide to restore the Russian Monarchy, probably supported by a good deal of loyalists. I will say that even if the IEF doesn't survive the Monarchy will probably remain.

This is my best case scenario if IEF has to go.

I didn't say it was logical. They must have seen it as their only way to keep the empire intact, sort of like 1941 Japan OTL

So is the Motherland Party largely responsible for the outbreak of hostilities? The answer: Yes. However, to be fair, many of the conservatives have felt that their country has been in a decades long drift with power slowly seeping away from the Russian heartland. Many do genuinely believe that their was a wider conspiracy against the government behind the PM's assassination. As The Congressman pointed out some believe that if Manchuria is lost, a near guarantee if the Alliance for Progress won the election, other regions would follow. It is also important to point out that for many average Russians they do not believe that the election was stolen as most of the heavy handed tactics were in other regions and therefore unknown to them. They are viewing the opposition as disloyal and divisive.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Is Russia's anthem as badass as OTL?

I suppose that this is anthem of IEF/Russia:

Good question. It could very well be "God Save the Czar!" Although they might have changed it to something more politically correct with the founding of the IEF. What do y'all think?

 

[Mac Gregor]

I'm going to start revamping the long abandoned TV tropes page for the Union Forever, since it is really outdated and there is a lot to cover.

You can help if you want, guys.

Yeah, I was lead here by that page, and man is it out of date.

Yeah. It is still stuck in 1976 the last time it was updated.

I just added the Idiot Ball trope for the Motherland Party and I was wondering if there is more tropes to be added.

Looking at the page now, here's some potential changes:
The historical characters part could be expanded.
Balkanize Me should have that India failed to un-balkanize and the it might happen to the IEF.
Know When to Fold Them should have Napoleon III's subversion at the end of the Great War.

Royals who actually do something: Elizabeth II tries to do this but Motherland is having none of it. Played straight with Frederick III and the Shah of Persia, however.

Excellent idea RyderWest! Thanks to all who have or are going to contribute.

 

[Mac Gregor]

This is with the approval of Mac Gregor, the current PM of Australia. Enjoy!

Prime Minister of Australia Jonathan Wamsley (1957-)

Johnathan Nathaniel Wamsley was born on April 17, 1957 in Perth, Western Australia to working class parents, his dad a workshop machinist and his mother a loyal housewife. After finishing high school, he immediately joined the Australian Army at age 18 due to the Asian-Pacific War and was sent to fight the Japanese in Malaya during the gruelling Malaya campaign in early 1976, and then was sent to Papua as the situation there deteriorated rapidly. After the war ended in 1980, he went back to Western Australia and got a job as a teacher at Shaeffer College in 1983 and taught there for nearly 4 years before becoming elected to the Australian Parliament at the 1987 federal election for the seat of Montgomery as a Member of Parliament as part of the Progressive Federalist Congress of Australia, a center-left federalist progressive party.

Wamsley quickly rose through the ranks of the PFCA, becoming the leader of the PFCA in 1998, just in time for the 1999 Australian federal election where the ruling coalition of the center-right Australian Democratic Alliance and the right-wing National Australian Front was splintering rapidly. Wamsley and the PFCA took advantage of the split and won the election on June 18, 1999 with a plurality of 109 seats out of 185 in the House of Representatives and 61 out of 107 senators in the Senate.

After reaching the Prime Ministerial office, Wamsley quickly moved to negotiate with Australia's Pacific territories in the New Hebrides, as part of his goals to integrate any remaining territories into Federation. He also spoke of keeping the relationship with the Commonwealth alive and well and also moved to pour money into infrastructure, health and education in the states. Wamlsey was planning to visit the UK in early 2000 to negotiate with British Prime Minister Geoffrey Lever and to calm fears about the breakup of the Commonwealth. He arrived in London on February 29, 2000 and started talks with Prime Minister Lever over trade and tourism, as they started reaching the subject about the Commonwealth on March 4, 2000, the IEF internal crisis exploded into outright civil war......

I want to publicly thank RyderWest for this excellent installment. I look forward to seeing further content from him in the future. Cheers!

 

[Mac Gregor]

Speaking of the Federation of Australia, we don't seem to have a list of Australian Prime Ministers. A quick search through the timeline only mentions Mason Duffy in 1979 and Johnathan Wamsley since June of 1999 . Based on RyderWest's terrific update on PM Wamsley the political parties as of the late 1990s includes at least the Progressive Federalist Congress (centre-left), Australian Democratic Alliance (centre-right), and the National Australian Front (right-wing). Anyone care to take a stab at making a full list?

 

[Archangel]

Speaking of the Federation of Australia, we don't seem to have a list of Australian Prime Ministers. A quick search through the timeline only mentions Mason Duffy in 1979 and Johnathan Wamsley since June of 1999 . Based on RyderWest's terrific update on PM Wamsley the political parties as of the late 1990s includes at least the Progressive Federalist Congress (centre-left), Australian Democratic Alliance (centre-right), and the National Australian Front (right-wing). Anyone care to take a stab at making a full list?

The party names have a first-half-of-the-XX-century touch. Is it deliberate?

 

[Lalli]

Good question. It could very well be "God Save the Czar!" Although they might have changed it to something more politically correct with the founding of the IEF. What do y'all think?

New anthem is possible but I don't see any reason why they would change that. Czar is still head of state.

 

[RyderWest]

Speaking of the Federation of Australia, we don't seem to have a list of Australian Prime Ministers. A quick search through the timeline only mentions Mason Duffy in 1979 and Johnathan Wamsley since June of 1999 . Based on RyderWest's terrific update on PM Wamsley the political parties as of the late 1990s includes at least the Progressive Federalist Congress (centre-left), Australian Democratic Alliance (centre-right), and the National Australian Front (right-wing). Anyone care to take a stab at making a full list?

I think that the ADA-NAF coalition would be similar to the OTL Tory-LibDem one between 2010-15, with one party becoming junior to the senior. I reckon the ADA would be senior to the NAF, but the coalition fell apart and the PFC swept into power. We also know that there is 185 seats in the HoR and 107 in the senate due to me calculating the OTL seat distribution and adding in the new states and territories, and the PFC got a majority, so the majority line for government in the Australian HoR is 92 seats.

 

[The Congressman]

Do we have a photo of Mitya Kuznetsov?

 

[edudogel]

Is there any reason for USA to get into a war with China after they take Manchuria, let the Russians bleed for their land

 

[Mac Gregor]

So we have loyalists versus nationalists versus various separatists across the country with the Technocrats, the Europeans and others looking on.

You are generally correct in your synopsis. What do y'all think the various factions should be called. I imagine that those wanting independence for their various regions will be separatists, but how about the others? Some suggestions for those backing Kuznetsov and the Motherland Party could be Loyalists, Hardliners, Legitimists. Those backing Pasternak and want a more looser democratic IEF could be Reformers or Confederates. What do y'all think?

 

[Mac Gregor]

The party names have a first-half-of-the-XX-century touch. Is it deliberate?

You would have to ask RyderWest. I imagine that the Australians usually use abbreviations (ADA, NAF, PFC) or short hand names for them like the Democrats, Nationalists, and Progressive-Federalists. RyderWest what do you think?

 

[Mac Gregor]

New anthem is possible but I don't see any reason why they would change that. Czar is still head of state.

Indeed. Lets keep it as the national anthem.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Do we have a photo of Mitya Kuznetsov?

We sure do.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Is there any reason for USA to get into a war with China after they take Manchuria, let the Russians bleed for their land

I think it is very unlikely that the USA would get involved in purely China-IEF conflict. While the Americans surely do not want Technocracy to spread they aren't happy with the IEF's behavior in Manchuria either. Likely the USA tries to keep both sides from coming to blows. Nobody wants a nuclear war.

 

[HIM Dogson]

You are generally correct in your synopsis. What do y'all think the various factions should be called. I imagine that those wanting independence for their various regions will be separatists, but how about the others? Some suggestions for those backing Kuznetsov and the Motherland Party could be Loyalists, Hardliners, Legitimists. Those backing Pasternak and want a more looser democratic IEF could be Reformers or Confederates. What do y'all think?

I'd suggest Nationalists for Motherland, and Reformers for the opposition. The Reformers could also be in a loose alliance of conviniently with the Monarchist's, who have many different ideologies but they're all fighting for the legitimate Empress.

 

[Lalli]

You are generally correct in your synopsis. What do y'all think the various factions should be called. I imagine that those wanting independence for their various regions will be separatists, but how about the others? Some suggestions for those backing Kuznetsov and the Motherland Party could be Loyalists, Hardliners, Legitimists. Those backing Pasternak and want a more looser democratic IEF could be Reformers or Confederates. What do y'all think?

Motherland Party - Nationalists
Pasternak's Bloc - Reformists or Federalists
Regions - Secessionists or Separatists

This will be very messy civil war. It would be miracle if IEF survives from this. Thee-sided civil war rarely is very clear. Somehow this looks bit OTL Syrian Civil War.

 

[HIM Dogson]

Motherland Party - Nationalists
Pasternak's Bloc - Reformists or Federalists
Regions - Secessionists or Separatists

This will be very messy civil war. It would be miracle if IEF survives from this. Thee-sided civil war rarely is very clear. Somehow this looks bit OTL Syrian Civil War.

Orthodox State of Russia and Siberia, anyone? Or the Islamic State of Central Asia, more realistically.

 

[RyderWest]

You would have to ask RyderWest. I imagine that the Australians usually use abbreviations (ADA, NAF, PFC) or short hand names for them like the Democrats, Nationalists, and Progressive-Federalists. RyderWest what do you think?

Yes, that would work well. I got some other parties to put down, so I'll list them here:

Progressive Federalist Congress of Australia (PFC) - Progressive-Federalists
Australian Democratic Alliance (ADA) - Democrats
National Australian Front (NAF) - Nationalists
Australian United Conservative Party (AUCP) - United Conservatives
Republican Front of Australia (RFA) - Australian Republicans
Socialist Alternative Front of Australia (SAFA) - Socialists

Is this ok?