The Union Forever: A TL
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To put it in perspective, Greece was very possibly the most democratic country on the planet.
I'm frankly not sure I understand your argument here. Are you saying that because Greece gave people the vote earlier than most other places, that means they're 100% immune to backsliding? You do know they had a military government IOTL, right?
Oh, that all men can vote means that the country is totally free? And in OTL Greece had military government on 1960's and 1970's. Sounds that you very free? And even that there is elections doesn't mean that these would be free and fair. In Mubarak's Egypt in OTL was too elections but they were far from free.
SuperFrog, I hope you get bored more often because I have been wanting to redo some of the old maps for a while.
Thanks! To touch on some of the things discussed...
Concerning the Chinese Civil War; The Imperials would be based mostly in the north with their capital in Peking. The Republicans are largely in the south with their capital in Canton. The west is still fought over by various warlords so most of Tibet, Mongolia, Tuva, and Uyghurstan (known early in the TL as East Turkestan) is probably under local control but they won’t become officially independent until the civil war's end in 1921. I also don’t think the French would have that much of southern china.
Concerning Africa's borders; Looks good although honestly the internal border for France’s African colonies are up for debate.
Some things that have been mentioned the Nebraska/Laramie border needs to be fixed, Sweden-Norway exists, Iceland is not independent, Bhutan and Sikkim should be princely states. Ireland did not become a dominion until 1919.
Bosnia should be part of Austria-Hungary
The Siam-French Indochina border should resemble what it looks like currently in the TL.
Korea should be part of Japan (this was a retcon change).
I would remove Argentina’s provincial borders as they never have been discussed ITTL so I imagine there would be changes. Let me know if anybody has any ideas.
Thanks again for all the help!
rick007 thanks again for another great installment, keep them coming. Am I correct in assuming that Maud Lindbergh is a relative of OTL's Charles Lindbergh? I'm not sure about Arneson joining the "Air Force." ITTL their was and still is no independent Air Force. How about him joining the U.S. Army Flying Brigade?
Yeah, I wondered whether I should make it the Army/Air Force. Maud Lindbergh is Charles Lindbergh ITTL.
I'm not saying it can't become authoritarian, just that something had to happen for that to occur, and I'd like to know what that thing was.
Sorry, brainfart. Brain just saw A*o** Hitler.
Good question, I will have to do an update on him soon.
frustrated progressive excellent question. Let me explain. As you mentioned Greece did grant universal male suffrage extremely early. However, as in OTL, this doesn't mean it was exactly fully "free" in our sense of the word and the situation would vary from time to time as the monarchy and parliament vied for power. ITTL the death knell of Greek freedom was the Great War when the country was militarized. Since then a conservative coalition of monarchists and the Greek Army has kept Greece from becoming a true democratic country. The Russians/IEF have been all to happy since the Great War to help Greek conservative remain in control.
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Alright, updated map. Is midway still separate from Hawaii at this point ITTL? Since Germany has no colonies before the great war, what happens to their sphere of influence in China? I gave it to France, while giving its concession ports to the dutch (France already has concessions at those places), though thats probably illogical. Would their still be South American border disputes at this time? Does the condominium between Britain and France over Vanuatu exist here?
Thanks for updating the map! This will be a big help when I start updating this in the completed TL forum.
Midway Atoll (known as Middlebrook Atoll ITTL) was then and is now part of Hawaii. Prussia had a concession in Tianjin along with other European nations but did not have a exclusive port like Tsingtao in OTL. There are still border disputes in South America between Chile and Bolivia over the Pacific coast and between Bolivia and Paraguay over the Chaco region. Because of poorer relations between the UK and France there was no condominium over Vanuatu (then and now known as the New Hebrides). Before the great war the islands belonged to France and were acquired by the UK in the peace treaty. Also, southern Papua is probably a British not Australian colony.
1990: Domestic Developments
1990
Domestic Developments
NAVIHO satellite in orbit
Domestic Developments
NAVIHO satellite in orbit
On March 16, America’s space-based global navigation program, commonly referred to as NAVIHO for Navigational Homing Orbitals, became fully operational with the launch of the 24th satellite in the system’s constellation. NAVIHO replaced earlier positioning systems created by the U.S. Navy and was open to anyone who had a receiver. In the decades to come the NAVIHO system would expand and become integral to the development of self-driving autos and autonomous unmanned machines.
In the fall, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7 to 4 in Chicago Business Advocacy Council v. United States that federal law limiting financial contributions to political campaigns was constitutional.
In a landmark piece of legislation, President Lincoln signed into law the 1990 Military Reform Act in September. Arguably the biggest overhaul of the U.S. Army and Navy in American history, many of the changes had been hotly debated since the Asia-Pacific War. The single largest reform was that the Departments of War and Navy were now placed under a single Department of Defense. The Navy was increased to seven fleets; North Atlantic, South Atlantic, West Pacific, South Pacific, Central Pacific, East Pacific, and Indian Ocean. The fact that four of these fleets were located in the Pacific was not lost on China who decried the military expansion as a threat to peace. The Marine Corp, which remained under the Navy, was reduced to a single division of four brigades. America’s nuclear arsenal of over 800 warheads remained divided between the navy’s submarines and the army’s bombers and ballistic missiles. While some had called for an independent “Air Force” this was rejected by the Army and Navy. The Army Air Corp was reorganized into three aviation divisions. The rest of the Army was expanded to ten divisions. President Lincoln hoped that these reforms would better enable the United States to ensure global stability in a world increasingly divided between rival power blocs.
Division Name "Nickname" (HQ location)
1st Infantry Division “First to Fight” (Ft. Greene, North Carolina)
2nd Aviation Division “Ready Steady” (Ft. Roosevelt, New York)
3rd Infantry Division “Crocodiles” (Ft. Kheillor, Hawaii)
5th Cataphract Division “Rolling Thunder” (Ft. Oglethorpe, Georgia)
7th Infantry Division “Caesar’s Own” (Ft. Sherman, California)
8th Air Cavalry Division “Roughshod” (Ft. Stuart, Cuba)
10th Aviation Division “Thunderbirds” (Ft. Jackson, Tennessee)
17th Cataphract Division “Battle Born” (Ft. Grant, Ohio)
28th Cataphract Division “Rhinos” (Ft. Sheridan, Laramie)
31st Airborne Division “Cloud Soldiers” (Ft. Ramirez, Panama)
42nd Aviation Division “ Gryphons” (Ft. Sumner, Washington)
64th Infantry Division “Daredevils” (Ft. Simpson, Guiana)
88th Infantry Division “Los Locos” (Ft. Bell, Arizona)
In the fall, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7 to 4 in Chicago Business Advocacy Council v. United States that federal law limiting financial contributions to political campaigns was constitutional.
In a landmark piece of legislation, President Lincoln signed into law the 1990 Military Reform Act in September. Arguably the biggest overhaul of the U.S. Army and Navy in American history, many of the changes had been hotly debated since the Asia-Pacific War. The single largest reform was that the Departments of War and Navy were now placed under a single Department of Defense. The Navy was increased to seven fleets; North Atlantic, South Atlantic, West Pacific, South Pacific, Central Pacific, East Pacific, and Indian Ocean. The fact that four of these fleets were located in the Pacific was not lost on China who decried the military expansion as a threat to peace. The Marine Corp, which remained under the Navy, was reduced to a single division of four brigades. America’s nuclear arsenal of over 800 warheads remained divided between the navy’s submarines and the army’s bombers and ballistic missiles. While some had called for an independent “Air Force” this was rejected by the Army and Navy. The Army Air Corp was reorganized into three aviation divisions. The rest of the Army was expanded to ten divisions. President Lincoln hoped that these reforms would better enable the United States to ensure global stability in a world increasingly divided between rival power blocs.
Division Name "Nickname" (HQ location)
1st Infantry Division “First to Fight” (Ft. Greene, North Carolina)
2nd Aviation Division “Ready Steady” (Ft. Roosevelt, New York)
3rd Infantry Division “Crocodiles” (Ft. Kheillor, Hawaii)
5th Cataphract Division “Rolling Thunder” (Ft. Oglethorpe, Georgia)
7th Infantry Division “Caesar’s Own” (Ft. Sherman, California)
8th Air Cavalry Division “Roughshod” (Ft. Stuart, Cuba)
10th Aviation Division “Thunderbirds” (Ft. Jackson, Tennessee)
17th Cataphract Division “Battle Born” (Ft. Grant, Ohio)
28th Cataphract Division “Rhinos” (Ft. Sheridan, Laramie)
31st Airborne Division “Cloud Soldiers” (Ft. Ramirez, Panama)
42nd Aviation Division “ Gryphons” (Ft. Sumner, Washington)
64th Infantry Division “Daredevils” (Ft. Simpson, Guiana)
88th Infantry Division “Los Locos” (Ft. Bell, Arizona)
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Which branch of the military is in charge of space operations?
Is there a worldwide "orbital" imaging project in the US like the OTL Landsat program? OTL it started in 1972, and by 1990 the Landsat 5 could image the entire planet in 16 days. I imagine there are competing nations with similar programs, but without the cold war space race there mightn't've been such a push for them.
Is there a worldwide "orbital" imaging project in the US like the OTL Landsat program? OTL it started in 1972, and by 1990 the Landsat 5 could image the entire planet in 16 days. I imagine there are competing nations with similar programs, but without the cold war space race there mightn't've been such a push for them.
Well, it has been stated that space technology is more primitive than OTL, but with new tensions starting to heat up between the forces of liberalism and technocracy I'm not so sure that will be the case any time sooner, especially since the technocrats have a much strong industrial and technological base than the Soviets did at the end of the war.
Wasn't Samoa in its' entirety a US territory at this point as well, or was that retconned?
And great update, Mac Gregor. I like that there's still an Army Air Corps.