The Union Forever: A TL
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Sad to see it go but it has been a great ride! Thanks MacGregor! It has been fun and I will no doubt be re-reading this again 
A fabulous TL and one of my board favorites!
A fabulous TL and one of my board favorites!
Hey everyone,
I'm sorry to say that am putting this TL on a permanent hiatus. I feel that the dawn of the 1980s is a good place to stop for now. I have had a great four and half years writing this TL and I greatly appreciate all the help and support I have received from y'all. I will still be active on AH.com and may very well resume this TL at some later date so feel free to post any residual questions or requests you have. Cheers.
-Mac Gregor
Sad to see this TL come to an end.....it was one of my favorites, given how well written it was.
But might a collaborative effort or two from time to time be alright? I might find something to try now and then, if so. In any case, thanks for four and a half years of excitement and awesomeness.
In the past MacGregor has given me a bit of a free hand over the affairs of New Zealand (at least over its leaders). So I submit for the authors approval, an update for New Zealand.
List of Prime Ministers of New Zealand
Sir William Fox (No Party) (1861-1862)
Alfred Domett (No Party) (1862-1863)
Sir Frederick Whitaker (No Party) (1863-1864)
Sir Edward Stafford (No Party) (1864-1869)
Sir William Fox (No Party) (1869-1872) *
Sir Francis Dillon Bell (No Party) (1872-1875)
Sir David Monro (No Party) (1875-1877)+
Sir Charles Clifford, 1st Baronet (No Party) (1877)
Sir William Fitzherbet (No Party (1877-1878)
Sir Charles Clifford, 1st Baronet (No Party) (1878-1886)
Sir George Maurice O'Rorke (No Party) (1886-1889)
Sir William Steward (Liberal) (1889-1892) **
Sir George Maurice O'Rorke (Liberal) (1892-1897)
Sir Robert Arthur Guiness (Liberal) (1897-1901)
Richard Seddon (Liberal) (1901-1906) +
Sir Robert Arthur Guiness (Liberal) (1906-1911) ***
Sir Frederick Lang (Reform) (1911-1920) ****
Sir William Newport (Reform) (1920)
Sir Rupert Scrivener (Liberal) (1920-1922)
Vincent Brimble (NZ Whig) (1922-1923) *****, V*
Nigel Plaskitt (Liberal) (1923-1926)
Malcom Terris (Reform) (1926-1934)
Nigel Plaskitt (Liberal) (1934-1937)
Malcom Terris (National) (1937-1940) V**
Terrance Dicks (Liberal) (1940-1950)
Richard Irvine Hurst (National) (1950-61) +
Lawrence Williams (National) (1961-1963) V***
John Robinson (National) (1963-1964)
Margaret Lewis (Liberal) (1964-1968) V****
Sir Nigel Hughes (Liberal) (1968- 1976) X
Sir Robert Irvine Hurst (National) (1976-) X*, X**
*Title officially changed from "Colonial Secretary" to "Premier"
** First Official Political Party, the Liberal Party, Founded in 1891
*** Title officially changed from "Premier" to "Prime Minister" after New Zealand Achieved the status of Dominion
**** The Second Official Political Party, the Reform Party, Founded in 1911
***** The Third Official Political Party, the New Zealand Whig Party, Founded in 1921
V* This is the first coalition government, NZ Whigs and Reform Party
V** The Reform and NZ Whigs combined to form the National Party
V*** Forced out of office by vote of no confidence
V**** First female Prime Minister
X Lost an election due to his opposition to New Zealand's involvement in the war in India
X* The son of former Prime Minister Richard Irvine Hurst
X** In 1980 Prime Minister Robert Irvine Hurst along with a number of other Commonwealth leaders are knighted
+ Died in Office
After the signing of the Treaty of Manilla Prime Minister Robert Irvine Hurst called an election in November of 1980 after 4 years of continuous government. Before the election the National Party held 54 of 93 seats. After the election they increased their hold to 61 seats. Political commentators attribute this to the popularity of the Prime Minister after the war, and the newly divided political left.
After the Liberal Party lost control of Parliament in the 1976 election a battle for the leadership commenced. The defeated Prime Minister Sir Nigel Hughes attempted to retain leadership of the Party but the more socialist faction of the party attempted a coup. Leading the socialist faction was an MP for Auckland, Elizabeth Abraham. After a week long battle the socialist faction separated from the Liberal Party to form the Social Democratic Party of New Zealand. This divide allowed the National Party to take a bigger lead in Parliament.
Before 1976 Election
Liberal 44 Seats
National 40 Seats
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 4 Seats
Governing Coalition: Liberal-Independent-Maori
After 1976 Election
National 54 Seats
Liberal 20 Seats
Social Democrats 10
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 4 Seats
Governing Party: National
After 1980 Election
National 61 Seats
Liberal 17 Seats
Social Democrats 8 Seats
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 2 Seats
Governing Party: National
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Assuming MacGregor approves of this post and gives me permission to do so I would gladly do more posts about New Zealand.
List of Prime Ministers of New Zealand
Sir William Fox (No Party) (1861-1862)
Alfred Domett (No Party) (1862-1863)
Sir Frederick Whitaker (No Party) (1863-1864)
Sir Edward Stafford (No Party) (1864-1869)
Sir William Fox (No Party) (1869-1872) *
Sir Francis Dillon Bell (No Party) (1872-1875)
Sir David Monro (No Party) (1875-1877)+
Sir Charles Clifford, 1st Baronet (No Party) (1877)
Sir William Fitzherbet (No Party (1877-1878)
Sir Charles Clifford, 1st Baronet (No Party) (1878-1886)
Sir George Maurice O'Rorke (No Party) (1886-1889)
Sir William Steward (Liberal) (1889-1892) **
Sir George Maurice O'Rorke (Liberal) (1892-1897)
Sir Robert Arthur Guiness (Liberal) (1897-1901)
Richard Seddon (Liberal) (1901-1906) +
Sir Robert Arthur Guiness (Liberal) (1906-1911) ***
Sir Frederick Lang (Reform) (1911-1920) ****
Sir William Newport (Reform) (1920)
Sir Rupert Scrivener (Liberal) (1920-1922)
Vincent Brimble (NZ Whig) (1922-1923) *****, V*
Nigel Plaskitt (Liberal) (1923-1926)
Malcom Terris (Reform) (1926-1934)
Nigel Plaskitt (Liberal) (1934-1937)
Malcom Terris (National) (1937-1940) V**
Terrance Dicks (Liberal) (1940-1950)
Richard Irvine Hurst (National) (1950-61) +
Lawrence Williams (National) (1961-1963) V***
John Robinson (National) (1963-1964)
Margaret Lewis (Liberal) (1964-1968) V****
Sir Nigel Hughes (Liberal) (1968- 1976) X
Sir Robert Irvine Hurst (National) (1976-) X*, X**
*Title officially changed from "Colonial Secretary" to "Premier"
** First Official Political Party, the Liberal Party, Founded in 1891
*** Title officially changed from "Premier" to "Prime Minister" after New Zealand Achieved the status of Dominion
**** The Second Official Political Party, the Reform Party, Founded in 1911
***** The Third Official Political Party, the New Zealand Whig Party, Founded in 1921
V* This is the first coalition government, NZ Whigs and Reform Party
V** The Reform and NZ Whigs combined to form the National Party
V*** Forced out of office by vote of no confidence
V**** First female Prime Minister
X Lost an election due to his opposition to New Zealand's involvement in the war in India
X* The son of former Prime Minister Richard Irvine Hurst
X** In 1980 Prime Minister Robert Irvine Hurst along with a number of other Commonwealth leaders are knighted
+ Died in Office
After the signing of the Treaty of Manilla Prime Minister Robert Irvine Hurst called an election in November of 1980 after 4 years of continuous government. Before the election the National Party held 54 of 93 seats. After the election they increased their hold to 61 seats. Political commentators attribute this to the popularity of the Prime Minister after the war, and the newly divided political left.
After the Liberal Party lost control of Parliament in the 1976 election a battle for the leadership commenced. The defeated Prime Minister Sir Nigel Hughes attempted to retain leadership of the Party but the more socialist faction of the party attempted a coup. Leading the socialist faction was an MP for Auckland, Elizabeth Abraham. After a week long battle the socialist faction separated from the Liberal Party to form the Social Democratic Party of New Zealand. This divide allowed the National Party to take a bigger lead in Parliament.
Before 1976 Election
Liberal 44 Seats
National 40 Seats
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 4 Seats
Governing Coalition: Liberal-Independent-Maori
After 1976 Election
National 54 Seats
Liberal 20 Seats
Social Democrats 10
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 4 Seats
Governing Party: National
After 1980 Election
National 61 Seats
Liberal 17 Seats
Social Democrats 8 Seats
Maori 5 Seats
Independent 2 Seats
Governing Party: National
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Assuming MacGregor approves of this post and gives me permission to do so I would gladly do more posts about New Zealand.
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This is one of the great TLs. But as a writer, I've come to learn the value of a good stopping place.
If it's done, then what can I say except… well done.
If it's done, then what can I say except… well done.
I've been wondering whether you want to work on a TL together.Hey everyone,
I'm sorry to say that am putting this TL on a permanent hiatus. I feel that the dawn of the 1980s is a good place to stop for now. I have had a great four and half years writing this TL and I greatly appreciate all the help and support I have received from y'all. I will still be active on AH.com and may very well resume this TL at some later date so feel free to post any residual questions or requests you have. Cheers.
-Mac Gregor
This was one of my favorite TL's on the site. I have never seen the Butterfly Effect used so well, and so creatively. I am sad to see that this is the end.
All around good job, MacGregor.
All around good job, MacGregor.
Hope you resume this TL at some point.
Sad to see it go but it has been a great ride! Thanks MacGregor! It has been fun and I will no doubt be re-reading this again
Sad to see it on hiatus.
This was one of my favorite TL's on the site. I have never seen the Butterfly Effect used so well, and so creatively. I am sad to see that this is the end.
All around good job, MacGregor.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I appreciate them so much that I went back and changed my farewell message from "permanent hiatus" to "indefinite hiatus"
Sad to see this TL come to an end.....it was one of my favorites, given how well written it was.
In any case, thanks for four and a half years of excitement and awesomeness.
Gentlemen,
I would love to hear your proposals. Please pm me.
This TL was a great pleasure to follow sir! I hope to see more of your work in the future.
Looks good to me, consider it canon. I especially like the part about the Commonwealth PMs getting knighted. What do you see the political positions of the parties being? And yes, any additional posts for consideration are more than welcome.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I appreciate them so much that I went back and changed my farewell message from "permanent hiatus" to "indefinite hiatus"
That sounds much better.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I appreciate them so much that I went back and changed my farewell message from "permanent hiatus" to "indefinite hiatus"
I would give you a round of rousing applause if I could.
National Party: The National Party was founded in 1937 as a coalition of the Whig and Reform parties. The National Party is moderate on social issues, while being conservative on economic issues. They favor lower taxes, fewer regulations, and free trade. They favor a close relationship with the UK, especially on foreign affairs issues.
Liberal Party: The Liberal Party was founded in 1891. They are traditionally more liberal on social and economic issues. They support moderate expansion of the welfare state and a looser relationship with the UK.
Social Democratic Party: The Social Democratic Party was founded in 1976 after the Liberal Party lost an election and a battle for leadership lead to a socialist faction of the Liberal forming their own party under the leadership of Elizabeth Abraham. The SDP prefers a heavily regulated market with a rapidly expansive welfare state. The prefer to cut all ties with the UK and declare independence as a republic. They prefer a more isolationist or non-interventionist foreign policy. On social issues they are very liberal, with some MPs expressing a desire for the abolition of government sanctioned marriages.
Maori Party: The Maori Party was founded in 1867 when the Maori population was granted 5 reserved seats voted upon by the Maori population of 5 special districts that overlap with regular MP districts. They tend to be socially conservative and economically liberal, historically siding with the Liberal Party. The primary objective of the Maori Party is to protect Maori rights granted by the Treat of Waitangi.
Well it's a shame to see this come to a halt, but I can understand wanting a stopping point that ends on a high note, and the end of the last war/beginning of the wonderful 80s is as good a place as any. And hey, indefinite hiatus is better than permanent! Also, I take it that we can still offer up more state or country fact-files as the inspiration strikes us?