Just going this point this out...but this is the same international community that had been willing to level cities from the air with a shitton of smaller bombs. As well, it is a chinese city in the first half of the 20th Century, meaning racism is going to massively effect people’s opinions. Worse, the chinese are in the axis. This means that racism against chinese is going to absolutely be increased to even worse levels in a europe and america that already looks down on the chinese. There is a decent chance a large portion of the people of many nations might lament the fact they didnt nuke more chimese cities.
The Sun, The Stars and The Sickle: Alt-WWII and a Tripolar Postwar World
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Yes, but the Union of China belongs to the Entente, and people widely know it's a civil war, and many people have some sympathy for China (even most racists who didn't like Chinese immigration at home and/or saw Chinese as inferior to Europeans still had some respect for the "ancient civilization" of China blah blah blah, more than they had for Africans anyway), and the US government sold the war (to its population) as "saving China from its oppressive pro-nazi government", so it wouldn't fly. Also, Chiang provoked the Allies but he never attacked the US on their own soil.
It's not the same as leveling Japanese cities IOTL, as Imperial Japan was (mostly rightly) seen by everyone (except themselves) as unambiguously evil, and had fought hard for four years, and attacked first at Pearl Harbor (as well as invaded European-held territory), and also the enemy was Japan as a whole, not a faction within Japan.
If the US nuked China, they may not become a pariah (as Britain, Japan and France wouldn't care that much and wouldn't create major problems over this), but that would still create huge controversy (at best) in home US politics as well as at the international level, and would hand lots of free propaganda to the USSR.
In terms of the use of Nukes...
China is a *very* different foe than Japan. Unlike OTL Japan, 1) China is not a constrained area where Allied forces could get cut off from each other and 2) There are significant local allies and 3) CKS does not appear to have anywhere near the level of worship that the Japanese Emperor or even Adolf Hitler has.
We've got the land area of the OTL Eastern European Front with the local Allies that Hitler *could* have had on the Eastern Front with a leader with similar popularity to Mussolini.
China is a *very* different foe than Japan. Unlike OTL Japan, 1) China is not a constrained area where Allied forces could get cut off from each other and 2) There are significant local allies and 3) CKS does not appear to have anywhere near the level of worship that the Japanese Emperor or even Adolf Hitler has.
We've got the land area of the OTL Eastern European Front with the local Allies that Hitler *could* have had on the Eastern Front with a leader with similar popularity to Mussolini.
Different secondaries (more turrets superfiring on centreline) and increased machinery for 34-35kn top speed to keep pace with the Yamatos. Same beam, additional length and tonnage.
The Navy had to do something besides twiddling their thumbs and waxing their ships.
In response to Chiang's campaign into Burma, Hainan was occupied by the Japanese, with French reinforcements from Vietnam. The intention is for Hainan to be another link in the supply chain from Hong Kong to Singapore, and to deprive the Pact of Steel of a base for minelaying operations.
First off, sorry to all for updates being so sporadic- I'm in the process of some career moves ATM but rest assured I haven't forgotten about this TL.
Regarding a naval blockade of Germany, as of the 1941 sinking of the Bismarck, there isn't one in a strict sense, but German naval operations are largely confined to the Baltic Sea, save what raiders and U-Boats can slip out. Tirpitz remanins a fleet-in-being in Kiel, and none of the Allied navies are especially eager to lose a capital ship or carrier to mines or torpedoes.
Dönitz has his work cut out for him, as Hitler has ordered the Kriegsmarine's suface fleet disarmed, but said nothing about submarines. However, critical shortages of iron ore since Sweden cut off the supply and that the Heer demands most of what is produced or pillaged certainly puts a dent into those plans.
Air power will play a role in the next phase for sure. King Haakon VII, on Norway's Parliament's advice, has granted permission for RAF bases in Norway, his country knowing all too well what a Nazi occupation or its attempt looks like.
Yes on both counts, hence the colouration on the map- the tan being different from the Japanese pale yellow. Nepal also was never a Dominion or Crown Colony. Instead, a 1923 treaty affirms Nepalese independence and cordial relations with Britain.
On that note, there are plenty of Gurkha regiments in the British Army, and they are widely admired, their exceptional abilities and fighting spirit even noted by IJA General Yamashita.
Hopefully I will get some "executive time" soon to write a proper update, but I might as well answer some questions that had been stacking up now:
- Regarding a semi-automatic Japanese service rifle:
I had previously mentioned that the IJA isn't doing any design work yet, still struggling to replace the Type 38 with the Type 99. As might be expected, it isn't the Army that is ordering it. The Navy wants to be able to give the Special Landing Force more firepower to bring ashore, and has had a chance to see the US M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, and Soviet SVT-40. The Navy, used to getting what they want, are asking for a short rifle and long rifle (with sniper variant) in 7.7x58mm Arisaka and a carbine for support personnel in 6.5x50mm as the Army Type 100 SMG has proved disappointing. The lengthy spec sheet also requests a 10 round box magazine and open top receiver so it can also be loaded with stripper clips, in the manner of the SVT-40.
However, with the Navy's other priorities, this development takes a back seat.
So how big of an asspull would Germany need to win WW2 in TTLs alt history? Cause not only does Germany need to unnamed sea mammal the United States, they also would need to trek thousands of miles across Eurasia to reach Japan.
Well, they need a drilling missile with a tectonic warhead, specifically designed to cause the Yellowstone volcano to detonate. As well as Soviet Union suddenly deciding to capitulate and let them use the Caucasus oil fields and the Transsiberian. And then cross Mongolia and Manchuria, invade Korea.
Of course there's still the problem of Britain and Allied-controlled Africa.
To invade Britain, they should pretend that they're building a tunnel under Channel, so the British expect the attack there.
Instead, they go to Arctic through Scandinavia. Then, they use a chunk of the Arctic floe (with thrusters) as a giant transport vessel. And with this oversized iceberg, land in the north of Scotland.
Instead, they go to Arctic through Scandinavia. Then, they use a chunk of the Arctic floe (with thrusters) as a giant transport vessel. And with this oversized iceberg, land in the north of Scotland.
God I hope no one in universe takes the premise too far. Let it be like fatherland, mixed with the iron dream. Also
Right now, the Pact of Steel controls most of Europe, and is making rapid progress against the Soviet Union. Their big hope is that Hitler's prediction will come true, and that all the USSR is a swift kick and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.
He hopes that will also sway the nations of the Mediterranean Accord to the Pact of Steel's cause.
There is an Amerika Bomber project, although it is hampered by Göring's constant interference.
And grieve not for Iowa (1920). The Alabama class makes up for her!
Didn't we have chapters that take place in the mid 20th? It's kind of a foregone conclusion.
Too late, you're already on my shitlist. FOR YOU HAVE DENIED ME MY PURE SHIPFU
Assuming they beat the Soviets, they just count on Amerika Bomber to solve the Anglo-French-US problem ?
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