The Rainbow. A World War One on Canada's West Coast Timeline

Is not the Rainbow supposed to be showing up off Barclay Sound in the morning? Would that not mean that It will take the Niagara back if it runs into her? Don't see a ship packed with women and children fighting back much unless the Germans decide to use them as shields. Which is a next war thing for them i think not this one. That would give Canada pretty good intel on what the germans have and are doing. Also they may run into the Galiano. Be nice to see a one sided battle against the Germans for a change.
From the chapter entitled Suspicious Ships and Activity
“And then the Rainbow will be passing right by. That would be something, if the Rainbow could bag a whole fleet of German prize ships and merchant cruisers, wouldn’t it? When will she be off Barclay Sound?”

The Intelligence officer did some math. “She is observing wireless silence, but if she has kept to her original timetable Rainbow should arrive off Barclay Sound around 0500 hours tomorrow morning.”

From the last chapter, entitled New Moon
Niagara, Bengrove, and Desalba headed directly out to sea in the very last light of the day. Von Schönberg watched their silhouettes shrink against the last glow of dusk, then disappear into the murk of darkness. All ships were blacked out.
The squadron's logistics train was headed for the horizon at around 2200 hours, so they have around 7 hours to make themselves scarce at the slowest ship's speed of 13 knots, thus they would be expected to be about 90 miles offshore before Rainbow's projected arrival time at Ucluelet. They would be doing that travelling on a moonless night, blacked out the entire time.
 
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Driftless

Donor
If the Rainbow pulls in for look at Ucluelet, that will be a spooky eye-opener. Nobody home and a couple of whalers on the bottom of the harbor. A little "Twilight Zone" sensation, I'd think
 
I'd be curious, on a random note, to see the performance of the German weapons on the Japanese Armored cruisers that'll flood the area. This is still early enough for serious spall and frag/splinter damage inside of armored sections that should otherwise be immune to X size of shell. (Albeit that this was a real problem even as late as 1945 with Heerman and Samuel B Roberts knocking out a Turret on Chikuma with 5" fire).

More significantly, the volume of shells that one or especially both German cruisers are capable of could cripple the fire control and upper works of any Japanese CA quite swiftly. They can also cause enough flooding to drop the speed below useful levels.
 
I'd be curious, on a random note, to see the performance of the German weapons on the Japanese Armored cruisers that'll flood the area. This is still early enough for serious spall and frag/splinter damage inside of armored sections that should otherwise be immune to X size of shell. (Albeit that this was a real problem even as late as 1945 with Heerman and Samuel B Roberts knocking out a Turret on Chikuma with 5" fire).

More significantly, the volume of shells that one or especially both German cruisers are capable of could cripple the fire control and upper works of any Japanese CA quite swiftly. They can also cause enough flooding to drop the speed below useful levels.
To be fair IJN WWII cruiser turrets had basically splinter protection for armor
 
To be fair IJN WWII cruiser turrets had basically splinter protection for armor
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And frankly, a 4.5 inch shell might be able to punch straight through Japanese CA armor. I'm digging for the actual numbers. Until the WNL created a distinct between heavy and light cruisers Battle cruisers were, I would argue, the only purpose built cruiser killers. Armored cruisers were a secondary Battleship (pre-dreadnought) and Protected cruisers were being phased out by Light armored cruisers.

In other words, putting down the German ships with cruisers would probably be messy unless a Kongo shows up.

Of course, submarine torpedoes, mines and potentially even shore batteries negate this.
 
True...
And frankly, a 4.5 inch shell might be able to punch straight through Japanese CA armor. I'm digging for the actual numbers. Until the WNL created a distinct between heavy and light cruisers Battle cruisers were, I would argue, the only purpose built cruiser killers. Armored cruisers were a secondary Battleship (pre-dreadnought) and Protected cruisers were being phased out by Light armored cruisers.

In other words, putting down the German ships with cruisers would probably be messy unless a Kongo shows up.

Of course, submarine torpedoes, mines and potentially even shore batteries negate this.
Messy is fine--the Entente has lots of cruisers, and Germany doesn't. It would be interesting if the battle is off of an American port, just outside territorial waters, and an enterprising news crew films it..
Reporters can be crazy, taking a boat far too close for safety to get good film.
 
I'd be curious, on a random note, to see the performance of the German weapons on the Japanese Armored cruisers that'll flood the area. This is still early enough for serious spall and frag/splinter damage inside of armored sections that should otherwise be immune to X size of shell. (Albeit that this was a real problem even as late as 1945 with Heerman and Samuel B Roberts knocking out a Turret on Chikuma with 5" fire).

More significantly, the volume of shells that one or especially both German cruisers are capable of could cripple the fire control and upper works of any Japanese CA quite swiftly. They can also cause enough flooding to drop the speed below useful levels.

Both German cruisers have main armaments of 4.1" SK L/40 which while they do have a few thousand yards of range advantage over the 6"/40 secondary battery of the Izumo class, I'm very doubtful about it's effectiveness against Izumo's armor scheme as they are only 4.1" shells in the end. Compared to Izumo who's carrying seven 6"/40 guns per broadside and four 8"/45 guns in two twin turrets, Konigsberg/Bremen has a 5/6 gun broadside in comparison. Izumo also had actual casemate armor and a belt compared to Leipzig and Nurnberg who only have protected decks, being much more vulnerable especially against larger guns.

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Leipzig and Nurnberg are more comparable to HMS Newcastle which is also making it's way over however, Newcastle carries a better main armament and is faster with a similar or better armament. Newcastle was also a crack ship as well alongside Izumo, the Germans aren't going to be against poorly trained and lacking Canadians in rowboats anymore once these two appear on the scene.
 
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Both German cruisers have main armaments of 4.1" SK L/40 which while they do have a few thousand yards of range advantage over the 6"/40 secondary battery of the Izumo class, I'm very doubtful about it's effectiveness against Izumo's armor scheme as they are only 4.1" shells in the end. Compared to Izumo who's carrying seven 6"/40 guns per broadside and four 8"/45 guns in two twin turrets, Konigsberg/Bremen has a 5/6 gun broadside in comparison. Izumo also had actual casemate armor and a belt compared to Leipzig and Nurnberg who only have protected decks, being much more vulnerable especially against larger guns.

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Leipzig and Nurnberg are more comparable to HMS Newcastle which is also making it's way over however, Newcastle carries a better main armament and is faster with a similar or better armament. Newcastle was also a crack ship as well alongside Izumo, the Germans aren't going to be against poorly trained and lacking Canadians in rowboats anymore once these two appear on the scene.
Thanks!
 
Apparent Naval Gunfire
Aug 21, 0145 hours. CGS Malaspina, Near Port Renfrew, BC.

Lieutenant Allen McFarlane, CGS Malaspina’s Naval Reserve captain, noticed the distant sound of explosions and a play of lights on the water, perhaps 10 nautical miles astern in his wake.

RMS NIAGARA BLACKED OUT IN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA COLLIDED WITH SMALL PATROL VESSEL STOP VESSEL CAPSIZED AND SANK WITH BOILER EXPLOSION STOP RENDERED ASSISTANCE BUT AFRAID ALL HANDS LOST STOP

The message included a position, actually 8 miles to the east. Malaspina had been within 2 miles of that position, just half an hour ago. So they had passed the Restless in the dark. That was no surprise, on a night like this. Even missing a liner like the Niagara, which he knew to be a giant of the New Zealand Union Steamship Line, was not at all unexpected, given the new moon and the shipping blackout. Crikey, he thought, a collision with a ship like that would be sudden and final. Far too many similar tragedies had happened in these waters, in the fog.

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO RMS NIAGARA ACKNOWLEDGE STOP MAINTAIN WARTIME BLACKOUT AND WIRELESS SILENCE STOP

“Helm,” ordered McFarlane, “reverse course, bring us about.” He ordered a heading to the reported position of the Niagara’s collision with Restless.

CGS MALASPINA RESPONDING TO EFFECT SEACH AND RESCUE STOP

McFarlane had been ordered to proceed to Ucluelet to investigate reports of mystery ships lurking, earlier in the afternoon. But he had been caught up in reconnaissance of a presumed invasion of Canada massing at Roche Harbour on American San Juan Island. It sounded absurd, but it seemed that with the declaration of war all previous points of reference had been lost, and anything was possible. The Malaspina had ended up toe-to-toe with the United States Revenue Cutter Unalga, staring at each other across the maritime boundary.

McFarlane had been briefed by Captain Trousdale, the Ranking Naval Officer, on the role of His Majesty’s naval forces on the West Coast of Canada, vis-à-vis neutral American authorities. On the one hand, it was important to make clear to the Yanks that despite the current paucity of forces in British Columbia’s waters, this was still the Royal Navy, and there would be absolutely no tolerance of American territory being used to marshal attacks against the Empire. On the other hand, the United States was Canada’s natural trading partner, and the friendship, family, and commercial relationships had evolved in place here since frontier days.

If the war went on for any length, it was likely that the US would come aboard on Britain’s side at some point sooner or later. This relationship was to be maintained and all incidents were to be avoided. It was a difficult tightrope to walk, and McFarlane was satisfied that he had given a credible performance. As he and the American Revenue Service captain had barked at each other, stone faced, through their loud hailers, he could tell that the Yank was irritated that shenanigans were being perpetrated on his soil, on his watch. So message successfully delivered, then!

And all most likely a wild goose chase. These mystery ships lurking were likely another one. After steaming away from San Juan Island at 1000 hours, he had put in at Esquimalt Harbour to embark part of a militia platoon, 30 men from the 88th Fusiliers, in case a landing force was needed in Ucluelet. This had set back his timetable so that Malaspina would be arriving off Barclay Sound no sooner than first light. Even later now that they were engaged in search and rescue.

Within the next few minutes, Malaspina received a number of messages, encrypted in either Merchant Marine or Naval code.

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO CGS RESTLESS PLEASE REPORT STOP
This message was repeated a number of times.

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO CGS MALASPINA SHERINGHAM POINT LIGHTHOUSE REPORTS LIGHTS AND APPARENT NAVAL GUNFIRE 8 MILES WEST OF THEIR LOCATION STOP

The claim of naval gunfire was familiar to McFarlane. The Authorities had prohibited all blasting for the first few days after war was declared, but had rescinded the ban. Since then every construction blast along the new Otter Point road and every farmer dynamiting stumps in Metchosin had elicited storms of reports of naval gunfire. There had even been a report of a Zeppelin attack in the hills of Colwood. The report had proved to be false.

On the other hand, this was the middle of the night. McFarlane had just heard explosions with his own ears, moments ago, even if they were far off and indistinct over Malaspina's engines. Could it have been the sound of a collision, followed by a boiler explosion? This description of the sounds did not quite ring true, but he could not testify. And the suggestive effect of the Niagara’s wireless report had him reviewing his fresh memory over and over.

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO CGS MALASPINA CAPE FLATTERY LIGHTHOUSE REPORTS SEEING LIGHTS AND HEARING SERIES OF EXPLOSIONS STOP

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO CGS MALASPINA JORDAN RIVER WORK CAMP REPORTS LIGHTS AND MUFFLED EXPLOSIONS DUE SOUTH STOP

Muffled explosions, agreed McFarlane. That was all he could really say for sure. He consulted with the navigator. Jordan River would be the closest report to the transmitted position, save for the liner Niagara herself. So he settled his mind on believing the Jordan River report to be the definitive one.

HMC DOCKYARD ESQUIMALT TO CGS MALASPINA CGS RESTLESS NOT RESPONDING TO WIRELESS QUERIES STOP FEARED SUNK IN COLLISSION STOP

Victoria was a small town, socially, and the Naval Reserve was a small cohort within. McFarlane knew almost every man on the Restless. The chief engineer was his estranged brother in law. The liner Niagara had reported performing a search, but had been ordered by the Navy back to blackout and silence. What had they missed? As the Malaspina settled into her new eastward course, retracing her last hours passage, he vowed that if any overlooked survivors were floating in the Strait, by God he would find them. “Give me every revolution you have!” he called down to the engine room.

Malaspina had recently passed the surfaced and blacked out HMCS CC-1 to the north at a distance of 2 miles westbound, as the submarine ran a north-south patrol circuit at 8 knots. Neither Canadian vessel noticed the other. Then as she turned back eastward, Malaspina passed CC-1 again to the south, this time at a range of only 500 yards.

 
To give a sense of the climate at this date OTL, the report of a Zeppelin attack on the western end of Victoria is as historical. I have a newspaper article somewhere.
 
Assuming no friendly fire, which is possible, if CC-1 and Malaspina link up and decide to sweep the channel, that could go badly for the Germans. As always, great update!
 

Driftless

Donor
To give a sense of the climate at this date OTL, the report of a Zeppelin attack on the western end of Victoria is as historical. I have a newspaper article somewhere.

By comparison, during the early days of the Spanish-American War, (only sixteen years prior to this action) there were numerous "sightings" of the Spanish fleet off the US Atlantic and Gulf coasts. Many fishing boats emerging from the fog 2-3 miles offshore were frantically reported as Spanish cruiser descending upon the local port with mayhem in mind. Those chaotic reports raised holy hell with the already shaky US naval and coastal artillery mobilizations. Too many local politicos pounded their fists on tables demanding the Navy provide a battleship or two to protect their broken-down fishing port.

Spanish Admiral Pascual Cervera y Topete had a very realistic view of the limitations of his own fleet, so he had no thoughts of such aggressive action
 
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Assuming no friendly fire, which is possible, if CC-1 and Malaspina link up and decide to sweep the channel, that could go badly for the Germans. As always, great update!

Very true, though I think that the Germans are really moving, going 18 knots. It will be nearly impossible to get a shot on that.
 

ferdi254

Banned
Afair the RN did not follow the HSF after Skaggerak partly due to fear that superior German equipment and training for nightfights would give them too much of an edge. Not sure what the standard of the cruisers in 1914 is compared to the HSF but I expect training and equipment of an obsolete RCN ship to be not better as that of the RN in 1916. Even if better binoculars give you a one minute headway in such a close quarters battle that might be decisive.
 

Coulsdon Eagle

Monthly Donor
Afair the RN did not follow the HSF after Skaggerak partly due to fear that superior German equipment and training for nightfights would give them too much of an edge. Not sure what the standard of the cruisers in 1914 is compared to the HSF but I expect training and equipment of an obsolete RCN ship to be not better as that of the RN in 1916. Even if better binoculars give you a one minute headway in such a close quarters battle that might be decisive.

Jellicoe adopted night cruising formation but was sailing south hoping to cut the HSF off from its bases, not shying away from a possible engagement at night. He was badly let down by his senior commanders. He was not actively seeking to avoid a night engagement. The fleet that didn't want another engagement at any time that night was the HSF.
 
Does anybody know... Did Japan declare war on Germany at 12 noon August 23rd GMT? Or Tokyo time? I kind of imagine Tokyo time, because they are the new Empire coming up in the world.
 
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