The Forge of Weyland

Given the stress of the situation, and his actions up till now, it didn't seem a totally unreasonable thing for Leopold to do
Indeed

Leopold might well look enviously at Denmark which submitted to Germany and was seemingly peaceful with a high degree of self rule. And contrast this to the fate of Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. Which are being fought over and in the last two cases having cities devastated by air raids. So no surprise that his nerve failed and he wanted to opt out of the war.

But can he surrender the country on his own? As Commander in Chief [1] he could order his troops in Antwerp to surrender, although that wouldn't cover Anglo-French forces. Has he the power to order a cease fire (except in self defence?) by all Belgian forces? Or commit the government to seek peace terms.

Will the government dismiss him as CInC and order the Belgians to fight on?

I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

But IF the consequences of Leopold's hasty actions include the loss of substantial Entente forces or even perhaps the Fall of France.

Then Belgium probably will be split between France and the Netherlands post war.



[1] And WTF thought that was a Good Idea?
 
But IF the consequences of Leopold's hasty actions include the loss of substantial Entente forces or even perhaps the Fall of France.

Then Belgium probably will be split between France and the Netherlands post war.
More than likely, if his surrender leads to the Netherlands' loss, who are right now fighting like the devil himself and forces a Fall of France, I can easily see Belgium becoming the Piarah of Europe after the war. If they aren't partitioned, I can easily see them struggling to make any agreements.
 

Driftless

Donor
What would the legality be IF the Belgian government surrendered and the Franco-British forces are still engaged in full-on war with the Germans - across Belgium? I'd think any legalities would get shoved to the back row and the fight continues as before (minus the Belgian forces - and allowing for some adjustments in coverage)
 

Orry

Donor
Monthly Donor
What would the legality be IF the Belgian government surrendered and the Franco-British forces are still engaged in full-on war with the Germans - across Belgium? I'd think any legalities would get shoved to the back row and the fight continues as before (minus the Belgian forces - and allowing for some adjustments in coverage)

Rather than the lap land war - we get the flat land war - Belgians are ordered to evict the allies from their territory
 
Indeed

Leopold might well look enviously at Denmark which submitted to Germany and was seemingly peaceful with a high degree of self rule. And contrast this to the fate of Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. Which are being fought over and in the last two cases having cities devastated by air raids. So no surprise that his nerve failed and he wanted to opt out of the war.

But can he surrender the country on his own? As Commander in Chief [1] he could order his troops in Antwerp to surrender, although that wouldn't cover Anglo-French forces. Has he the power to order a cease fire (except in self defence?) by all Belgian forces? Or commit the government to seek peace terms.

Will the government dismiss him as CInC and order the Belgians to fight on?

I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

But IF the consequences of Leopold's hasty actions include the loss of substantial Entente forces or even perhaps the Fall of France.

Then Belgium probably will be split between France and the Netherlands post war.



[1] And WTF thought that was a Good Idea?
Actually I think it was Leopold's idea!
 
29th May 1940
29th May

Britain


"Here is the news, and this is Alvar Lidell reading it. King Leopold of Belgium was this morning taken into hospital having suffered what was described as 'a serious mental breakdown' which caused him to attempt to surrender the country to the German invaders. This unconstitutional action has fortunately been denied by the government, and Belgium remains in the fight with the other Allied Powers. It is not yet known how serious the King's condition is, but the Belgian people have been promised an update as soon as more is known. In other news..."


France

General Billotte looked around the conference room. The Belgian members of the meeting didn't look comfortable, although he could hardly blame them for what had happened, that all seemed down to a stupid idea of Leopold's. Not the first one, he was certainly not the ruler his father had been, but at least the Belgian government had moved quickly to stop the worst effects of his sudden desire to trust Hitler.

"So, what is the current situation?"

His Chief of Staff stood up in front of a large map of the northern Belgian front.

"Things are still very confused, Sir, but we have a better idea now. First, the initial effects of Leopold's declaration was most severe at Antwerp. The city itself was already suffering badly from the air raid and the ongoing artillery barrage, and it seems the defenders obeyed the surrender order. This was also followed by some - though not all - of the units defending the defensive line around the city. Obviously the French troops ignored it, but the actions of some of the Belgian troops left them in a very exposed position."

He gestured at the map again. "Assuming Antwerp surrendered, the only way out for our men was to the south west. Fortunately the British armoured attack had pushed back 9th Panzer, or they would have been trapped. As it is, 1st Armoured have been ordered to hold south of the city and give them a way out. Although the surrender order was rescinded, the German moved quickly to move into the city - we were surprised at how quickly, indeed it has been suggested that perhaps they knew in advance, although there seems no actual evidence of this. Given that they had already penetrated some of the defensive works around the city, particularly south of it, we see no option but to withdraw to a better defensive line."

Billotte nodded. It was a shame, the city had been holding, and the counterattacks had been going well, with more troops on the way, but he had to deal with the facts, not what he would have liked them to be. "Suggestions?"

The Chief of Staff looked tired - not surprising, he had been up all night trying to make the most of what was, bluntly, total confusion.

"The main effect is the loss of Antwerp and the defenses around it. While some troops are still in place, and still fighting, we want to pull them back before they get isolated. The enemy still has two panzer divisions in the area, and while the British armour is stopping any easy route south of Antwerp, the Germans can still use their panzers to surround and isolate any units that have become disconnected from the defence line. So we intend to hold most of the Dyle line, but pull them south to form a new line running east-west along the Rupel, north of Mechelin, connecting to the existing KW line and the Dyle at the east end.

We will then carry on the line, using the Scheldt as our main barrier, towards Ghent. We have sufficient troops to hold a good line north of the city - we need to keep its rail and roads links in our possession - and from there we will use the old defence line from Ghent past Bruges and to the sea. With British V corps already there, and three more French divisions arriving in the area this evening, we are confident of being able to build the necessary field fortifications before the Germans can arrive in force."

Billotte looked at the map. It seemed a shame to fall back like this, but after what had nearly happened in the Ardennes, better to lose a few miles than an army. "And if this fails?"

"We have around six divisions of troops available in the rear - half British, half Belgian. They arent ready for combat, but we will be using them to fortify a fall-back position, along the line of the Lys river and joining the pre-war defensive works along the border. The most urgent need is to pull back the Belgian forces still fighting to the Rupel line, and move up the British 5th Division to help them hold. We also need to do something about the bridgehead. While there is less than a division there, its position makes it a threat to any men retreating from the city, and could interfere with us forming the western part of the new line."

Billotte nodded. "I have good news on that. While we will have to deal with what's already there, the British have informed me that the Royal Navy intends to make sure today that they won't be able to ferry much more over. Since they appear lightly armed, we can use our tanks to keep them penned up, long enough to get our line re-established."

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{To clarify. The Belgian troops withdrawing south will cover the area between Lier and the Scheldt, the French divisions falling back will take up the line between there and Ghent, and V Corps will cover the western part between Ghent and Bruges. The three French divisions arriving will take over some of this, allowing V corps to extend east, and reserve troops will be moved forward to cover the line until the withdrawn units are in position. 1st Armoured will cover the withdrawal and make sure the panzers don't interfere, then fall back behind the water line as the mobile reserve}

Germany

Werner Mölders was today awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, the first fighter pilot to receive this award. He has been presented with the medal for shooting down his 20th allied plane over Namur.
 
"Here is the news, and this is Alvar Lidell reading it. King Leopold of Belgium was this morning taken into hospital having suffered what was described as 'a serious mental breakdown' which caused him to attempt to surrender the country to the German invaders. This unconstitutional action has fortunately been denied by the government, and Belgium remains in the fight with the other Allied Powers. It is not yet known how serious the King's condition is, but the Belgian people have been promised an update as soon as more is known. In other news..."
Guess he got carted off by the PM and other government officials
 

Driftless

Donor
A bit early for the question, but I'll ask anyway..... Who's the likely Regent, if Leopold remains in care(house arrest)?
 
29th May

Britain


"Here is the news, and this is Alvar Lidell reading it. King Leopold of Belgium was this morning taken into hospital having suffered what was described as 'a serious mental breakdown' which caused him to attempt to surrender the country to the German invaders. This unconstitutional action has fortunately been denied by the government, and Belgium remains in the fight with the other Allied Powers. It is not yet known how serious the King's condition is, but the Belgian people have been promised an update as soon as more is known. In other news..."
Well: he has suffered a serious mental breakdown. Horrible position to be in, and he wasn't up to the stresses and strains.
 
Or just a new royal house. Or a republic
Technically the constitution of Belgium invests the title of king only in the descendants of Leopold I. Though it is obviously not impossible to change that kind of thing, it would technically be unconstitutional.

On the wider question of authority the King of Belgium is technically a constitutional monarchy, but unlike in Britain where the Monarch has boatloads of de jure power but a small de facto role, in Belgium the King has a specified role in the functioning of state. For instance, he chooses the ministers, is allowed to influence them in speaking about bills, appointments and projects, can promote bills to the public and government, and has to agree to a change in constitution.
 
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