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I figured Red Americans would love to take any swing at the capitalist system.
Getting into a fistfight over a consumer good seems like something they would love to mock.
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I figured Red Americans would love to take any swing at the capitalist system.
Getting into a fistfight over a consumer good seems like something they would love to mock.
So is this supposed to be a 'funniest home video's' kind of situation. Just lowest common denominator entertainment for the UASR? (Except used as rather blatant pro-socialist propaganda?)
Red Americans would've already heard it all before at this point.
It's just preaching to the choir.
Scratch that, it's preaching to other preachers.
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Since OTL conservatives still sneer at liberals about "Venezuela" and "high taxes", I figure TTL Americans would also sneer in the same breath about capitalism.
By the 1990’s, works criticizing capitalism in the red sphere would be like making a sincere critique of feudalism or the divine right of kings.
It wouldn’t be wrong, but it also lacks relevance as capitalism doesn’t exist in the day to day lives of the people in the comintern.
It wouldn’t be wrong, but it also lacks relevance as capitalism doesn’t exist in the day to day lives of the people in the comintern.
Bookmark1995
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OTL, communism isn't part of the lives of everyday Americans. Yet, America and other Western counties. spent decades making movie after movie, book after book, about the threat of the commies.
As late as 1990, the Simpsons made an episode about an Albanian commie spy. Linka, the Russian (SOVIET) girl from Captain Plane was explicitly a commie, calling Wheeler an imperialist dog.
TTL, the Cold War has continued into the modern day, so it would be second nature of Red Americans to make fun of the Blues in anyway they can, since they are still an ever present threat.
That's because it's an existential threat to the American capitalist system IOTL
In the Redsverse, no one in their right mind would want to go back to capitalism after 70 years of communism.
Imagine if every piece of American media made after independence was about how much England sucked. It would get really boring really fast.
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So you're saying that OTL American capitalists are more insecure than ITTL American socialists?
You believe that Red Americans are sure enough in their beliefs, they can avoid the obnoxious dogwhistles of OTL American politicians?
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TTL, the idea of a Limburger style blowhard blasting the “reactionary” media is inconceivable?
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So would be no Sean Hannity type who calls the people who call for peaceful coexistance with the Blues "bourgeois imperialist aggressors"?
As an American, it is impossible for me to conceive of an American political discourse without dogwhistles, albeit with ones simply pointed in the other direction.
You're just projecting OTL viewpoints into TTL.
Political punditry is going to be a very different beast.
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How would TTL political pundits in Red America behave?
I tend to imagine Red Americans as being like OTL Americans, just painted red: they believe they are greatest motherfuckers who ever lived, and that all should aspire to be them. Albeit this attitude is probably more justified than OTL American exceptionalism.
Here is what Red America has that OTL America does not.
1. A national history that can genuinely lauded.
The founders of the UASR managed to avoid most of the pitfalls of political revolution: dictatorial backsliding, a crazed totalitarian ruler, bad economic policies. They effectively created a workers' state after beating back a cabal of corrupt capitalists that chose their power and money above the freedom they claimed to laud.
Granted, they are guilty of a lot of shit, but they did settle down and play nice
2. They pulled the USSR away from its autocratic madness.
I think TTL historians might think the real turning point in history was the execution of Lavrentiy Beria.
More so than the downfall of the tsar or MacArthur's flight, this might be the moment that changed the very concept of revolution: that revolutionaries could not break the rules they wrote.
But making the USSR into a more democratic nation, rather than a bastard child of Marx and Catherine the Great, is certainly something to laud.
3. Crushing the Axis powers.
Self-explanatory.
4. Building a truly equal nation of all its peoples.
Erasing the self-destructive bigotry that plagued America for centuries and expanding opportunities for Blacks and other minorities is definitely something to laud.
5. Assuring personal freedom on things like drugs, sex, and reproductive rights.
Red Americans have a lot to be genuinely proud off. But could this pride lead to "Muricanism in the opposite direction? An arrogant belief in their own superiority, and a preachiness that aggravates others.
Bookmark1995
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Well, that was the impression I got from a lot of earlier posts, but I think it would make sense for Red Americans to have this sense of invulnerability and hatred toward anything blue.
I recommend reading the latest version of the TL on Sufficient Velocity, because it has changed immensely since the posts here: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/reds-a-revolutionary-timeline.48563/
