Question: how would dynasty estabilished by John de la Pole be called?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Jan Olbracht, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM.

  1. Jan Olbracht Well-Known Member

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    Says John de la Pole takes English crown and his family remains on the throne for few generations ( perhaps Warwick dies young, Richard III wins Bosworth but dies just after battle leaving throne to John). How Royal house started by him would be called? House of de la Pole sounds too un-English and is bit too long. Could his descendents be called House of Lincoln instead?
     
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  2. Tonifranz Well-Known Member

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    How about Pole House? Or House of Pole. Just remove dela and you have a very English name.
     
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  3. Mikestone8 Well-Known Member

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    Probably House of Suffolk.

    He was the son of the Duke of Suffolk, and would have inherited that dukedom had he not rebelled in 1487.
     
  4. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any reason why it couldn't be house of Pole.
     
  5. The_Last_Plantagenet FREE CORSICA 1745

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    In my opinion, the House of La Pole is an option.
     
  6. wwbgdiaslt Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps not House of ... - and just House de la Pole?
     
  7. mcdnab Well-Known Member

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    House of de la Pole is about as English sounding as the House of Plantagenet I suppose lol - but suspect the House of Suffolk would be the term historians would use. Though his claim was very weak -
     
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  8. Jonathan Corbynite with fire in heart & food in belly

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    House of Suffolk sounds better especially when you turn it into the Suffolkisch Era
     
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  9. wwbgdiaslt Well-Known Member

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    Suffolkian Era, maybe?
     
  10. The_Last_Plantagenet FREE CORSICA 1745

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    Or, to be the Outsider;

    The Suffolk Era
     
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  11. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    I'm pretty sure actual medieval dynasties were called "House of X". "House X" is just a modern thing, which I suspect comes from fantasy writers getting medieval naming conventions slightly wrong.
     
  12. Fabius Maximus Unus qui nobis cunctando restituit rem

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    "De la Pole" sounds like the family came from a place called la Pole. So maybe the House of la Pole?
     
  13. catalfalque Quebecois

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    It wasn't that week - being granted the revenues of the duchy of Cornwall he was the albeit undeclared heir to Richard III after the death of Edward of Middleham.

    His claim is certainly stronger than Henry Tudor's in terms of immediacy

    Only Edward of Warwick is stronger, and his father was attainted and he himself imprisoned. The English royal family has previous in ignoring the son of an intermediate deceased heir (Arthur of Brittany, son of Geoffrey who was King John's elder brother)
     
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  14. Mikestone8 Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps to be remembered as an age when original thinkers felt a bit suffolkated?
     
  15. The Professor Pontif of the Guild

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    It'd be Lincoln or Suffolk seeing as we had Lancasters and Yorks.
     
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  16. catalfalque Quebecois

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    Unless it is simply seen as a continuation of the Yorkists
     
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  17. wwbgdiaslt Well-Known Member

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    It would depend on the marketing campaign used, in the same way that Henry VII and Henry VIII really promoted the idea of the Tudor Dynasty.

    John got given the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall which is unusual given that Duke of Cornwall would only be applied to someone who is Heir Apparent and son of a monarch - whereas Prince of Wales is used for the Heir Apparent (George III was Prince of Wales, but not Duke of Cornwall given he was grandson of George II and not his son).

    Would Richard attempt to nominate John to Prince of Wales - if not the Duchy of Cornwall - and adjust the Duchys charter so that rights pass to the Heir Designate?
     
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    House de la Pole, like Baron de la Warre.
     
  19. Mikestone8 Well-Known Member

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    So soon after the HYW, French names might be in bad odour. "Suffolk" OTOH sounds nice and English.
     
  20. Kellan Sullivan Well-Known Member

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    The place was called Poole if I'm not mistaken. I think the "de la" was just added to sound fancy, it seems odd that an English family would get a French term added to their surname "just because"