Ah, was presuming that this was to do with BRD.
Sorry, man. Really hate being wrong. Leaves a pit in my stomach.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Sorry, man. Really hate being wrong. Leaves a pit in my stomach.
I wonder how things would be if Williamsburg became the American capital. At the least it'd be an interesting string of continuity to Jamestown - the first Anglo-American city and its direct successor now the capital of the Colossus of North America.
Awesome work! I had no idea there were so many proposals for the capital. Thanks for taking the time to research the capital debate and present it in map form!
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Delaware has such a reputation today for being a minor and unimportant state, it's kind of weird to think it could have been the site of the national capital.
Between Vancouver Island and Washington State, there's an archipelago called the San Juan Islands, which both America and the UK claimed. The Oregon Treaty of June 15, 1846, tried to resolve the situation by saying "You get one half and you get the other" However, complicated natural boundaries and disagreements really made it hard to decide what qualified as "half"
This basically created a weird legal limbo where America and the UK both had sovereignty over the islands at the same time. Basically, you had a few dozen American farmers and a sheep farm run by the British Hudson's Bay Company.
On June 15, 1859, exactly 13 years after the adoption of the Oregon Treaty, an American farmer named Lyman Cutlar found a black pig rooting around in his potatos, so he took his gun and killed it. Said pig belonged to an Irish Hudson's Bay Company employee, who had several pigs he let roam freely, and wanted compensation. Cutlar offered $10 (equivalent to $280 in 2019), but the employee, Charles Griffin, wanted at least $100 ($2,800). Cutlar refused, and at least one anecdotal account suggests their argument went something like this:
Cutlar: Keep your pigs out of my potatoes
Griffin: Keep your potatoes out of my pigs
When British authorities moved to arrest Cutlar, the settlers called for American military support. Brigadier-General William S. Harney moved his force in to occupy the island on July 27th, and by August 10th, 461 Americans with 14 cannons under Colonel Silas Casey were opposed by five British warships mounting 70 guns and carrying 2,140 men
The governor of the Colony of Vancouver Island, James Douglas, ordered British Rear Admiral Robert L. Baynes to land marines on San Juan Island and engage the American soldiers, but Baynes refused, rightfully saying that "two great nations in a war over a squabble about a pig" was foolish. The men on both sides spent days trading insults, trying to goad the other side into shooting first, but those were the only shots that were fired.
The Pig War of 1859 ended that October without any bloodshed.
Tokyo is under joint occupation (gold), so I think the presumption was that like Berlin it would see the non-Soviet parts combine.
Except for the pig
That pig was clearly callous to sensitive international disputes! Piggy had it coming!
I understood that.
However, as another user said:
And from the map I posted, none of "East Tokyo" is part of the joint occupation zone (which looks to only cover Tokyo City).
Florida was to be kept as is, although in more ambitious proposals the northern half was to be incorporated into New Afrika.
The Ethnocacerism is a Peruvian (thought it has spread to Bolivia) far-left post-Marxist ideology that holds the idea that the failure of Leftists in the Global South exists due to the fact that Marxism is a inherently euro-centric idea that erases the native pasts of developing regions and thus ends up becoming a new internal form of Colonization, with the path to the future being build via the study of the past, developing pride in your roots and trying to find ways to catch up to the rest of the world while remaining independent.
Sounds logical, right?
Except for, well, the complete hatred and resentment towards the world that permeates the whole ideology.
Examples of how bad it goes? Their leader says the jews should shut up about the Holocaust because the Kingdom of Israel commited genocides centuries ago. This is coming from a man that is always screaming about how the Native American Genocides give him a moral right to wanting to get rid of the western heritage of his own country and spread his crusade to his neightboors to completely reshape their cultures and force them to break contact from the external world to start a "fully independant development".
And well, this pic here is his end goal. The "colonial states" of Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador are no more, the Neo-Tawantinsuyo has born and they also have managed to fulfill their ancestor's dreams by conquering parts of Chile and Argentina.
Don't forget how despite their rants about how Modern Peru and Bolivia are colonial faux-states, they are perfectly glad to keep territory that wasn't part of the Inca Empire
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Soviet plans in Persia, Afghanistan, and Xinjiang, circa 1925
Edit (July 8, 2022): Downloaded and inserted the full image, something I should have done last year lol
Edit (July 8, 2022): Downloaded and inserted the full image, something I should have done last year lol
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Ahhh, I see I misread the map key. My apologies. Where did you find the map anyways? I see it is from the War Office, but I wonder if there was more of a reason than linguistics that the British saw possible Soviet expansion. Such an odd choice, using the word adumbrated. Well, different time, different social class.
Stumbled upon this thread from 2013, the original image was lost along with three other proposals.
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Wiki doesn’t say anything about the exact territorial makeup, but says there would be 8 Slavic regions. So I assume Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatian, Bosnia, and the Polish, Ukrainian, and Serbian parts of the empire. Possibly one might be a Rusyn region, but given that Rusyns were considered a subgroup of Ukrainians for a long time, I don’t know
Wiki doesn’t say anything about the exact territorial makeup, but says there would be 8 Slavic regions. So I assume Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatian, Bosnia, and the Polish, Ukrainian, and Serbian parts of the empire. Possibly one might be a Rusyn region, but given that Rusyns were considered a subgroup of Ukrainians for a long time, I don’t know
So effectively the United States of Greater Austria/Danubian Federation?