Pop-culture in TL-191

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  1. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Maybe a Russian submarine with a stodgy stereotype British naval officer on board instead of a Japanese sub with a German navy officer?
     
  2. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Oh, this would have to be somewhere on the East Coast then, as opposed to Los Angeles. Like, say, Baltimore or New York.
     
  3. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Yeah probably New York.
     
  4. Odinson The Thunderer

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    Dr. Turtledove most likely exists in timeline 191 (or more likely a "not Turtledove but totally him." Turteltaub?), so this "alt Turtledove " could have wrote a series about the north seceding from the Union. The New England Confederacy goes on to fight periodic wars with the United States for generations, both sides finding European allies. But in this work, Germany goes fascist under a freedom party analog, headed by some random Sergeant named Adolf Hitler who sees his nation completely annexed and dismembered by the Entente, with the exception Bavaria.
     
  5. Baconheimer Berserker of Chaos

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    I wonder if there'd be less of a presence of GW2 movies/games in this world since the war was fought so much closer to home than OTL's WW2?
     
  6. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    Main Cover Art for the joint German-Ukrainian produced video called Men of War: Assault Squad.

    The first game of the Men of War series was actually titled Soldiers: Heroes of the 2nd Great War, which was first released by the Ukrainian Gaming company known as Best Way in 2004. Two years, the game followed up by it's spiritual sequel known as Faces of War, then followed by Men of War in 2008.
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    A screenshot from Soldiers: Heroes of the 2nd Great War.
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    A screenshot from a mission from the Russian Campaign in Faces of War, known as the Battle of Kiev.

    The game series was a real time tactics with 3rd Person shooter elements (namely with it's iconic direct control mode). The game featured skirmish missions (both single player and co-op modes), battlezones, cargo, combat, victory, and frontline modes. Some the unique things to Men of War was that you could manage the inventory of a soldier or vehicle, soldiers are needed to man vehicles, and there is also an editor for the game, which allows players to make custom maps or missions. Faces of War and Soldiers: Heroes of the 2nd Great War all had separate campaigns for the factions of Germany, Russia, Britain, France, the Union, and CSA. Men of War's campaign was more or less a story based campaign, following the path of two German soldiers named Kessler and Schmidt, who were drafted into the Imperial Army on the outbreak of war, in which Schmidt would get captured by the Russians and subsequently escaped from captivity, and thus entering into the German Commando Forces. Kessler would however take part in various Battles on the Russian Front as an infantry officer. The Joint Anglo-French Campaign followed a certain Major Ross, the Russian Campaign followed a Lieutenant Sokolov with the Cossack Troops, and the Union Campaign followed a Sergeant Andrews. The sequel to Men of War was in fact and expansion pack called Broken Trident, which followed the story of the Ukrainian Army during the 2nd Great War, and Condemned Heroes which followed the German Resistance, fighting against Ukrainian Partisans and Russian Forces. There was also the sequels known as Assault Squad and Assault Squad 2 which both had dynamic campaigns with the newly added factions of the Japanese and the Austro-Hungarians.
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    A screenshot from Men of War: Assault Squad 2 and the Cold Steel Expansion pack.

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    Confederate Soldiers from the popular mod for Assault Squad 2 known as RobZ Realism Mod.
     
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  7. terranova210486 Well-Known Member

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    Any ideas what Hailee Steinfeld would be doing ITTL?
     
  8. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Who?
     
  9. Danthefan28 Well-Known Member

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    The girl from the Bumblebee movie. She was also in the 2010 True Grit remake. Here's an image of her:
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  10. Allochronian Well-Known Member

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    Stuff from the Northern Victory/Antietam Timeline series by Larry Frenchen

    Attack on Battery Wagner

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    Drawing of Lincoln deceased after his assassination by the hands of a Confederate sympathizer


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    Former Confederate and Union soldier shake hands before going to liberate Cuba during the Spanish War

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    Theodore Roosevelt leading a cavalry charge in Cuba.

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    Statue of Lincoln built sometime after the Spanish War

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    Black American soldiers fighting in Europe against the Germans during the World War

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    Rise of Adolphus Shickelgruber in Germany with the help of the National Socialist German Party


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    Joseph "Man of Steel" Jughashvili, leader of Socialist Russia

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    Operation Redbeard, June 22, 1941

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    Superbombing of Japan

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    Bodies of Jewish Europeans from the Jewish Reduction

    Books of the Antietam Timeline series:
    -A House Divided Cannot Stand (1862-1865)
    -American Empire (1876,1895-1898)
    -European Front (1914-1915)
    -Trenches (1916-1917)
    -Armistice (1918)
    -Weimar Republic (1918-1933)
    -Third Reich (1933-1941)
    -Blitzkrieg (1941-1942)
    -Drive to the West (1942-1943)
    -Operation Poseidon (1943-1944)
    -Destroyer of Worlds (1945)

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  11. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    I gotta wonder what a Timeline-191 version of the Spinnerette webcomic would be like.

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    Since considering it does feature a team of Canadian superheroes prominently in the series. Along with questions about superhero registration a semi anti military stance.
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Spinnerette
     
  12. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    I had this little thought about Mutant Ninja Turtle in TL-191, since Japanese Culture is not as prevalent as with German Culture in America, I had thought that in TL-191, there could Mutant Landschneckt Turtles?
     
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  13. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    Featherson's Freedomites: A Portrait in Evil
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    A still of both Chief Assault Leader Harold "Harry" Henderson and his superior Group Leader Richard Paulson near the Confederate-Union Border discussing the upcoming Operation Blackbeard.

    Featherson's Freedomites was a made for TV movie produced mainly in Europe in the mid-1980s. The plot follows two brothers Carl (played by John Shea) and Harold (played by Bill Nighy) Henderson as they take different paths during the rule of the Freedom Party from it's rise to it's fall. The film starts with Carl attending a Freedom Party meeting in his hometown of Macon, Georgia in 1931, where Willy Knight was giving a speech, which we learn that Carl had intentions of joining the Freedom Party. The film then would introduce us to the rest of his family, who is Harold or "Harry," who at home from attending University in Atlanta, the parents named Albert (Robery Urquhart) and Genette (Carroll Baker) and his new brother named John Wesley (Peter Marquis, also played by Jodie Andrews, and Caspian Bartorv), in that sequence, we also get introduced to Uncle Willie (Stratford Johns) and Maisie Temple (Lucy Gutteridge) in a saloon where a fight between some of the patrons and some stalwarts occur. After leaving the saloon, they go to a restaurant where they meet Harry's mentor named Laurence Ross, a socialist university professor, in which he warns Carl that there is going to be a "A high price for this new order."

    The film fast-forwards to Atlanta in 1933, where during a match of fencing, Harry meets Richard Paulson (David Warner), a prominent member of the Freedom Party who is also a bigshot within the party. At the same time, Carl would get a job as a mechanic working at a service garage, where he and his employer named Raymond Lambert (Ivor Roberts) were having a discussion about politics where Lambert said "If your friend Featherson ever got what he was after, there would not be any unions, socialist or otherwise." Back in Atlanta, following a round of fencing, Paulson would convince Harry to join the Freedom Party and would take him with to Richmond, to which he witnessed a meeting between the high-ranking officials of the party.
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    Paulson and Harry observing the members of the meeting in Richmond.

    The film then fast-forwards to Christmas of 1933, where there was an argument between Carl and Harry about the Freedom Party Guards, in which Harry would tell his brother that "Those crazy idealists like your stalwart friend Knight wouldn't even begin to know how." In a later scene taking place in 1936, we witness the stalwarts attack a Labor Union and badly maim his boss Lambert. Distressed over the whole ordeal, Carl would try and get justice for Lambert, but the case would not gain any ground. At some point in the film, his superior (Paul Brooke), would ask him about how felt about "The Party making the Stalwarts the Party's garbage collectors." It all takes a down turn for Carl following a fight between a Freedom Party Stalwarts and the Guards in 1938 during the coup attempt by Willy Knight. Carl would be arrested and interned at a concentration camp for political prisoners, which would broke the camel's back for his sympathy with the Freedom Party.

    Meanwhile, Harry would work directly with Paulson, and would be part of the planning for the Confederacy's Plans for war against the United States and also in the Population Reduction. Meanwhile, Carl would get out of the concentration camp would attempt at getting justice for Lambert against the Stalwarts who injured him at the local police station. The policeman would warn Carl about the Freedom Party Guards with the words "They won't like your story, and they won't like either." But Carl insisted on going forward with his case anyways, which Carl would get arrested. To avoid being sent back to the Concentration Camp, Carl would be conscripted into the Confederate Army as a Private, and would take part in Operation Blackbeard. Following the start of Operation Blackbeard, Harry would be part of the Reduction of the African-Confederates, which he would shown the films of the elimination of those people. By 1942, Harry would be made a Standard Assault Leader, and his boss, Paulson would be redeployed to Ohio, where he was taking command of anti-partisan operations there. His fellow Guardsman named Baker (Warren Clarke), would wisely tell him "You better hope Koenig has a job for you, or you'll find yourself fighting Yankees." Later in 1942, Paulson would be assassinated by Union partisans, in which Harry (now a Standard Leader) would assist of Koenig's planning of a mass retaliation against the villages who harbored Paulson's killers.

    As the war progressed, Harry would be doing paperwork dealing with the deportations of the Black Populace to Camp Determination. During the Battle of Pittsburgh, Carl (now a Lieutenant) witnessed killings of not only the local blacks by the Freedom Party Guards, but also of captured Union soldiers. After recovering from wounds he sustained at Pittsburgh, Carl would desert from the Confederate Army and would travel around the Confederacy using false identity papers. Which in Richmond in early 1944, Harry would witness the torture of his mentor Professor Ross, who was detained for making an "inflammable comment." In April of 1944, while sifting through the rubble of his house in Macon, Carl would learn that his brother John was in Richmond as part of the National Assault Force. There in Richmond, Carl would encounter his brother Harry, and after some talking, would convince Harry to try and get John out of the NAF, and would also convince Harry to desert from the Freedom Party Guards after learning the fate of his parents. Despite the efforts of Harry, John would remain in the NAF and call his oldest brother "A coward and a traitor." Harry would then desert from the Guards and tried to flee from Richmond, but was shot and executed when he was caught by a Guards patrol. The final scene would show both Carl and Maisie looking on to the ruins of Macon with an uncertain future ahead of them.

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    This is the movie, Hitler's SS: Portrait in Evil re-imagined in the TL-191 universe.​
     
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  14. terranova210486 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone got any ideas for what kind of sitcoms they might have?
     
  15. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I imagine they would feature a lot of characters with terrible stereotypes at first and slowly improving much, much later than OTL.
     
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  16. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    Somehow, I doubt that OTL shows featuring caricatures of African-Americans would be allowed to be shown in the US, not after the Population Reduction.
     
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  17. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I'd like to think that but I got the impression the Union was only a little better than the CS was in TL-191 but I was also referring to the depiction of other people (Southerners, British, French ect.) and not just African-Americans.
     
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  18. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    I imagine Southerners are probably going to be painted with the stereotype brush for a loooong time. Much like germans otl, every southerner over a certain age being portrayed as a barely concealed Freedomite, making jokes about the Reductions, etc. The Evil Brit trope is probably going to be even stronger seeing as they've fought at least 5 wars against them. The French is a little harder to guess
     
  19. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    What would Command and Conquer look like in the universe of TL-191?
     
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  20. Allochronian Well-Known Member

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    I've thought about it for a while.

    Replace Hitler being released in 1924 from Landsberg prison with Featherston walking out of that restaurant in 1918 and get J. Robert Oppenheimer, instead of Einstein, travelling from the future and removing Featherston from existence.

    The problem here is that I don't really see the CSA still becoming an enemy. I see that the odds are in favor of the Confederacy being better off and probably experiencing a social/political revolution under the Radical Liberal party. In Europe, there could still be problems between the winners and losers, but since Featherston was a major instigator of the idea of plebiscites and a strong national sovereignty, there could possibly be less motivation for a war to occur. However, I could still see some kind of war occurring over there.

    Without Featherston, a C&C:RA-inspired TL-191 is a lot less fun to play without a major villain personified as a nation*.

    *Oh, I just remembered. Maybe Japan could take on the role of this. Their goals of conquest in Asia seem to be unaffected by a lack of Featherston in history.