Pop-culture in TL-191

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The girl from the Bumblebee movie. She was also in the 2010 True Grit remake. Here's an image of her:
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Stuff from the Northern Victory/Antietam Timeline series by Larry Frenchen

Attack on Battery Wagner

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Drawing of Lincoln deceased after his assassination by the hands of a Confederate sympathizer


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Former Confederate and Union soldier shake hands before going to liberate Cuba during the Spanish War

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Theodore Roosevelt leading a cavalry charge in Cuba.

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Statue of Lincoln built sometime after the Spanish War


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Black American soldiers fighting in Europe against the Germans during the World War

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Rise of Adolphus Shickelgruber in Germany with the help of the National Socialist German Party


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Joseph "Man of Steel" Jughashvili, leader of Socialist Russia

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Operation Redbeard, June 22, 1941

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Superbombing of Japan

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Bodies of Jewish Europeans from the Jewish Reduction

Books of the Antietam Timeline series:
-A House Divided Cannot Stand (1862-1865)
-American Empire (1876,1895-1898)
-European Front (1914-1915)
-Trenches (1916-1917)
-Armistice (1918)
-Weimar Republic (1918-1933)
-Third Reich (1933-1941)
-Blitzkrieg (1941-1942)
-Drive to the West (1942-1943)
-Operation Poseidon (1943-1944)
-Destroyer of Worlds (1945)


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I had this little thought about Mutant Ninja Turtle in TL-191, since Japanese Culture is not as prevalent as with German Culture in America, I had thought that in TL-191, there could Mutant Landschneckt Turtles?
 
Featherson's Freedomites: A Portrait in Evil
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A still of both Chief Assault Leader Harold "Harry" Henderson and his superior Group Leader Richard Paulson near the Confederate-Union Border discussing the upcoming Operation Blackbeard.

Featherson's Freedomites was a made for TV movie produced mainly in Europe in the mid-1980s. The plot follows two brothers Carl (played by John Shea) and Harold (played by Bill Nighy) Henderson as they take different paths during the rule of the Freedom Party from it's rise to it's fall. The film starts with Carl attending a Freedom Party meeting in his hometown of Macon, Georgia in 1931, where Willy Knight was giving a speech, which we learn that Carl had intentions of joining the Freedom Party. The film then would introduce us to the rest of his family, who is Harold or "Harry," who at home from attending University in Atlanta, the parents named Albert (Robery Urquhart) and Genette (Carroll Baker) and his new brother named John Wesley (Peter Marquis, also played by Jodie Andrews, and Caspian Bartorv), in that sequence, we also get introduced to Uncle Willie (Stratford Johns) and Maisie Temple (Lucy Gutteridge) in a saloon where a fight between some of the patrons and some stalwarts occur. After leaving the saloon, they go to a restaurant where they meet Harry's mentor named Laurence Ross, a socialist university professor, in which he warns Carl that there is going to be a "A high price for this new order."

The film fast-forwards to Atlanta in 1933, where during a match of fencing, Harry meets Richard Paulson (David Warner), a prominent member of the Freedom Party who is also a bigshot within the party. At the same time, Carl would get a job as a mechanic working at a service garage, where he and his employer named Raymond Lambert (Ivor Roberts) were having a discussion about politics where Lambert said "If your friend Featherson ever got what he was after, there would not be any unions, socialist or otherwise." Back in Atlanta, following a round of fencing, Paulson would convince Harry to join the Freedom Party and would take him with to Richmond, to which he witnessed a meeting between the high-ranking officials of the party.
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Paulson and Harry observing the members of the meeting in Richmond.

The film then fast-forwards to Christmas of 1933, where there was an argument between Carl and Harry about the Freedom Party Guards, in which Harry would tell his brother that "Those crazy idealists like your stalwart friend Knight wouldn't even begin to know how." In a later scene taking place in 1936, we witness the stalwarts attack a Labor Union and badly maim his boss Lambert. Distressed over the whole ordeal, Carl would try and get justice for Lambert, but the case would not gain any ground. At some point in the film, his superior (Paul Brooke), would ask him about how felt about "The Party making the Stalwarts the Party's garbage collectors." It all takes a down turn for Carl following a fight between a Freedom Party Stalwarts and the Guards in 1938 during the coup attempt by Willy Knight. Carl would be arrested and interned at Camp Dependable, which would broke the camel's back for his sympathy with the Freedom Party (especially after seeing Uncle Willy dying at the camp.)

Meanwhile, Harry would work directly with Paulson, and would be part of the planning for the Confederacy's Plans for war against the United States and also in the Population Reduction. Meanwhile, Carl would get out of the concentration camp would attempt at getting justice for Lambert against the Stalwarts who injured him at the local police station. The policeman would warn Carl about the Freedom Party Guards with the words "They won't like your story, and they won't like either." But Carl insisted on going forward with his case anyways, which Carl would get arrested. To avoid being sent back to Camp Dependable, Carl would be conscripted into the Confederate Army as a Private, and would take part in Operation Blackbeard. Following the start of Operation Blackbeard, Harry would be part of the Reduction of the African-Confederates, which he would shown the films of the elimination of those people. By 1942, Harry would be made a Standard Assault Leader, and his boss, Paulson would be redeployed to Ohio, where he was taking command of anti-partisan operations there. His fellow Guardsman named Baker (Warren Clarke), would wisely tell him "You better hope Koenig has a job for you, or you'll find yourself fighting Yankees." Later in 1942, Paulson would be assassinated by Union partisans, in which Harry (now a Standard Leader) would assist of Koenig's planning of a mass retaliation against the villages who harbored Paulson's killers.

As the war progressed, Harry would be doing paperwork dealing with the deportations of the Black Populace to Camp Determination. During the Battle of Pittsburgh, Carl (now a Lieutenant) witnessed killings of not only the local blacks by the Freedom Party Guards, but also of captured Union soldiers. After recovering from wounds he sustained at Pittsburgh, Carl would desert from the Confederate Army and would travel around the Confederacy using false identity papers. Which in Richmond in early 1944, Harry would witness the torture of his mentor Professor Ross, who was detained for making an "inflammable comment." In April of 1944, while sifting through the rubble of his house in Macon, Carl would learn that his brother John was in Richmond as part of the National Assault Force. There in Richmond, Carl would encounter his brother Harry, and after some talking, would convince Harry to try and get John out of the NAF, and would also convince Harry to desert from the Freedom Party Guards after learning the fate of his parents. Despite the efforts of Harry, John would remain in the NAF and call his oldest brother "A coward and a traitor." Harry would then desert from the Guards and tried to flee from Richmond, but was shot and executed when he was caught by a Guards patrol. The final scene would show both Carl and Maisie looking on to the ruins of Macon with an uncertain future ahead of them.

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This is the movie, Hitler's SS: Portrait in Evil re-imagined in the TL-191 universe.​
 
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Anyone got any ideas for what kind of sitcoms they might have?
 
Somehow, I doubt that OTL shows featuring caricatures of African-Americans would be allowed to be shown in the US, not after the Population Reduction.
I'd like to think that but I got the impression the Union was only a little better than the CS was in TL-191 but I was also referring to the depiction of other people (Southerners, British, French ect.) and not just African-Americans.
 
I'd like to think that but I got the impression the Union was only a little better than the CS was in TL-191 but I was also referring to the depiction of other people (Southerners, British, French ect.) and not just African-Americans.
I imagine Southerners are probably going to be painted with the stereotype brush for a loooong time. Much like germans otl, every southerner over a certain age being portrayed as a barely concealed Freedomite, making jokes about the Reductions, etc. The Evil Brit trope is probably going to be even stronger seeing as they've fought at least 5 wars against them. The French is a little harder to guess
 
What would Command and Conquer look like in the universe of TL-191?

I've thought about it for a while.

Replace Hitler being released in 1924 from Landsberg prison with Featherston walking out of that restaurant in 1918 and get J. Robert Oppenheimer, instead of Einstein, travelling from the future and removing Featherston from existence.

The problem here is that I don't really see the CSA still becoming an enemy. I see that the odds are in favor of the Confederacy being better off and probably experiencing a social/political revolution under the Radical Liberal party. In Europe, there could still be problems between the winners and losers, but since Featherston was a major instigator of the idea of plebiscites and a strong national sovereignty, there could possibly be less motivation for a war to occur. However, I could still see some kind of war occurring over there.

Without Featherston, a C&C:RA-inspired TL-191 is a lot less fun to play without a major villain personified as a nation*.

*Oh, I just remembered. Maybe Japan could take on the role of this. Their goals of conquest in Asia seem to be unaffected by a lack of Featherston in history.
 
*Oh, I just remembered. Maybe Japan could take on the role of this. Their goals of conquest in Asia seem to be unaffected by a lack of Featherston in history.
  • Have the Tsarists lose the Russian civil war and basically have the same game set up as otl
  • have extremists wings of the Socialist party come to power in the USA and have them be the soviets of that game
  • use Japan as the soviet stand-in
 
  • Have the Tsarists lose the Russian civil war and basically have the same game set up as otl
  • have extremists wings of the Socialist party come to power in the USA and have them be the soviets of that game
  • use Japan as the soviet stand-in
I'd say the last one would be the most likely. Especially if the game is made in the US.
 
Also, I'm surprised few have brought this up yet, but what would the Amazon Prime TV version of Man in the High Castle be like in TL 191? Assuming it was made in the United States, of course.
 
Also, I'm surprised few have brought this up yet, but what would the Amazon Prime TV version of Man in the High Castle be like in TL 191? Assuming it was made in the United States, of course.
The Fandom name is Doctor Lexington. Presumably no divided US so you'd have Germans occupied by the Japanese analogue French and the German analogue confederates occupying The US.
 
The Fandom name is Doctor Lexington. Presumably no divided US so you'd have Germans occupied by the Japanese analogue French and the German analogue confederates occupying The US.
Or a division between the Confederates and Britain in America. Und I am aware of Doctor Lexington, but I associate that more with the Book than I do the TV series.
 
  • Have the Tsarists lose the Russian civil war and basically have the same game set up as otl
  • have extremists wings of the Socialist party come to power in the USA and have them be the soviets of that game
  • use Japan as the soviet stand-in

The last one seems to be the most plausible.

Interestingly enough, I've interpreted Japan at the end of TL-191 to play the role of the Soviet Union. Sort of.

In a weird kind of way, an RA-TL-191 universe would be an example of the In Spite of a Nail idea.
 
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