Pop-culture in TL-191

What types of AH fiction exist?
Anything with a surviving Freedomite CSA is probably going to have a hard time getting published, either through government censorship or by publishers not wanting to touch such a controversial topic. Most American AH might focus on the First Great War, the rise of the Socialist Party, or victory in the Civil War
 
What types of AH fiction exist?
""The past couple of years, there'd been a spate of what people called "worlds of if" novels. If the USA Had won the War of Secession or the Second Mexican War, if the Negro uprising had succeeded in the CSA, if the Red uprising had succeeded in Russia.... If, If, if. Dealing with the world as it was was hard enough for most people. Flora didn't think the "worlds of if" fad would last",
-I believe this quote came from The Center Cannot Hold or in The Victorious Opposition
 
I wonder what King of the Hill would look in TL-191. It might've been butterflied away entirely! If not, i'm pretty sure the characters would be significantly different. The location might be different completely! Bill would probably be Pennsylvania Dutch instead of Cajun, Hank might be the son of an even more traumatized Cotton Hill (though i'm not sure if Cotton fought for the Union of the Freedom Party.) Dale might be a Private Investigator, and Boomhauer might as well speak german. To be honest I have no idea how it would look or would take place.
 
What would Disney movies be like ITTL?
Now, that is a interesting question. When World War I was happening in OTL, Walt Disney was a paper boy until 1918 and was enrolled in McKinley High School and took night courses at the Chicago Academy at Fine Arts. In 1918, he volunteered for the Red Cross and went to France where he worked as a ambulance driver, where some of his work got published in Stars and Stripes. His exposure to what the US soldiers were going through imbued him with a respect for them, resulting in the Walt Disney Company's decision to make propaganda cartoons for the US Army in World War II. His brother, Roy, joined the US Navy in 1917.

It would be interesting what kind of impact growing up during the Great War would have on Walt and his brother. Somehow, I doubt the Walt Disney Company would ever come to be in this timeline. If it does, it's going to be helmed by a very different Walt Disney.
 
You know, the other day I was thinking to myself...Hmm in the 191 universe Arnold Schwarzenegger's family is probably still living over in Austria, so who would play the Terminator? Well, Kevin Bacon looks a little bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the face, so I guess he'd have to play the Terminator in the 191 universe.

Could you imagine that scene where the Terminator walks up to those punk rockers in the parking lot of Griffith Observatory, except this time it is Kevin Bacon playing the part? Kevin Bacon would be all skinny with his shirt off, and when he says "Give me your clothes now" maybe he gets his clock cleaned by the punk rockers?

I was also thinking that marijuana would be a little less common in the 191 universe than it is in our time, so instead of making movies like Up In Smoke, Nice Dreams, or Born in East LA, Cheech and Chong instead host an early morning TV show focusing on stocks and bonds. Imagine Cheech and Chong totally straight dressed up like the wolves of Wall Street sitting a news anchor desk. Chong says to Cheech, "Alright Cheech, what's our morning stock market report look like today?" Cheech would then say something like "American Business Machine released their quarterly earnings report yesterday, and although the firm posted a sizable profit, ABM's profits failed to meet investor expectations, causing a three and a quarter percent drop in their stock price. However, if we look carefully at the technical indicators surrounding this particular stock, ABM may now be in an undervalued position, and could potentially make a good buy for anyone looking to make a quick turn around on their investment." Chong: "Thank you, Cheech. In other news, corn prices took a nose dive yesterday as Congress approved the sell of genetically enhanced.....

Okay, the above is just a joke, but could you imagine Cheech and Chong hosting a morning business show? Of course not, that's why it is funny.
 
You know, the other day I was thinking to myself...Hmm in the 191 universe Arnold Schwarzenegger's family is probably still living over in Austria, so who would play the Terminator? Well, Kevin Bacon looks a little bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the face, so I guess he'd have to play the Terminator in the 191 universe.

Could you imagine that scene where the Terminator walks up to those punk rockers in the parking lot of Griffith Observatory, except this time it is Kevin Bacon playing the part? Kevin Bacon would be all skinny with his shirt off, and when he says "Give me your clothes now" maybe he gets his clock cleaned by the punk rockers?

I was also thinking that marijuana would be a little less common in the 191 universe than it is in our time, so instead of making movies like Up In Smoke, Nice Dreams, or Born in East LA, Cheech and Chong instead host an early morning TV show focusing on stocks and bonds. Imagine Cheech and Chong totally straight dressed up like the wolves of Wall Street sitting a news anchor desk. Chong says to Cheech, "Alright Cheech, what's our morning stock market report look like today?" Cheech would then say something like "American Business Machine released their quarterly earnings report yesterday, and although the firm posted a sizable profit, ABM's profits failed to meet investor expectations, causing a three and a quarter percent drop in their stock price. However, if we look carefully at the technical indicators surrounding this particular stock, ABM may now be in an undervalued position, and could potentially make a good buy for anyone looking to make a quick turn around on their investment." Chong: "Thank you, Cheech. In other news, corn prices took a nose dive yesterday as Congress approved the sell of genetically enhanced.....

Okay, the above is just a joke, but could you imagine Cheech and Chong hosting a morning business show? Of course not, that's why it is funny.
I remember in the books that Prohibition was still around for WW2 in TL-191 at least in the USA, but was never around in the CSA. It might be that Drunkeness or the consumption of Alchohol is a stereotype associated with "those idiot backwards Southerners."

TL-191s equivalent of Cheech and Chong might be something like the Dukes of Hazard where two rich alcoholic morons make a mess of Hazard County and the racially integrated put upon everyman Sherifs department has to clean it up.
 
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remember in the books that Prohibition was still around for WW2 in TL-191 at least in the USA, but was never around in the CSA. It might be that Drunkeness or the consumption of Alchohol is a stereotype associated with "those idiot backwards Southerners
Neither country had prohibition. Instead, both countries had dry states. Like Iowa and Alabama. This is stated in both Jeff Pinkard's pov and Driver's pov. In the series, Virginia and Massachusetts have open bars.
 
TL-191s equivalent of Cheech and Chong might be something like the Dukes of Hazard where two rich alcoholic morons make a mess of Hazard County and the racially integrated put upon everyman Sherifs department has to clean it up.[/QUOTE said:
You know, I remember a few years ago that there was an independent comedy series called "Trailer Park Boys" on Netflix that was about these pot heads who lived in a trailer park in New Brunswick. Everyone was walking around with big guts and their shirts off, and none of the characters seemed to have an IQ that was above 95 at best. Also, although the characters smoked and drank a lot, their hearts were always in the right place, and usually by the end of each episode they'd manage to solve everyone's problems by opening a strip club in one of their trailers, or by building an indoor hydroponic grow operation.

I think that the Dukes of Hazard in the 191 Universe could actually be a lot like Trailer Park Boys in our timeline, and instead of being good looking and fit characters, the Bo and Luke Duke of the 191 Universe would probably walk around with their shirts off, get in fights all the time, and would have to kick empty cans of beer out of their way as they as they walked around their homes. Of course they wouldn't have a CS battle flag on top of their car, their car wouldn't be called the General Lee, and I can't remember if Chrysler or Dodge were even mentioned in the 191 series? In our timeline Ford had a pretty cool concept car called the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II which was supposed to compete with the Dodge Charger, so maybe the Duke boys in the 191 universe would drive something like that.
 
You know, the other day I was thinking to myself...Hmm in the 191 universe Arnold Schwarzenegger's family is probably still living over in Austria, so who would play the Terminator? Well, Kevin Bacon looks a little bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the face, so I guess he'd have to play the Terminator in the 191 universe.

Could you imagine that scene where the Terminator walks up to those punk rockers in the parking lot of Griffith Observatory, except this time it is Kevin Bacon playing the part? Kevin Bacon would be all skinny with his shirt off, and when he says "Give me your clothes now" maybe he gets his clock cleaned by the punk rockers?

I was also thinking that marijuana would be a little less common in the 191 universe than it is in our time, so instead of making movies like Up In Smoke, Nice Dreams, or Born in East LA, Cheech and Chong instead host an early morning TV show focusing on stocks and bonds. Imagine Cheech and Chong totally straight dressed up like the wolves of Wall Street sitting a news anchor desk. Chong says to Cheech, "Alright Cheech, what's our morning stock market report look like today?" Cheech would then say something like "American Business Machine released their quarterly earnings report yesterday, and although the firm posted a sizable profit, ABM's profits failed to meet investor expectations, causing a three and a quarter percent drop in their stock price. However, if we look carefully at the technical indicators surrounding this particular stock, ABM may now be in an undervalued position, and could potentially make a good buy for anyone looking to make a quick turn around on their investment." Chong: "Thank you, Cheech. In other news, corn prices took a nose dive yesterday as Congress approved the sell of genetically enhanced.....

Okay, the above is just a joke, but could you imagine Cheech and Chong hosting a morning business show? Of course not, that's why it is funny.
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What would be 191’s equivalent of “The Death of Stalin”? The Death of Featherston? The Death of Tsar Nicholas? The Death of Cassius?
 
What would be 191’s equivalent of “The Death of Stalin”? The Death of Featherston? The Death of Tsar Nicholas? The Death of Cassius?
Death of Hirohito, a propaganda movie about the comical intrigues of the Japanese Imperial court
I was just about to say something like that.

In my own head canon, I view the Japanese transition to democracy in 1989 as an extremely fragile moment in TL-191 world history: a near-successful assassination attempt on the remaining Imperial family nearly caused the Third Great War.

Since The Death of Stalin is classified as a comedy, I can see an even more darker attempt at Black Humor in "The Death of Hirohito".
 
The works of Disney might have a decent chance to exist in TL-191.

Perhaps we might see some version of Fantasia and, instead of Mickey, have Dopey play the part of the apprentice. (This almost happened in OTL)

i put in my own two cents on this a while back; you'll have to follow the quote box below to see the whole list
i'd totally forgotten about this :p there's lots of alternate turns from OTL such as whole films that were scrapped, (it was once possible that a Snow Queen adaptation could've been the first feature-length animated film instead of Snow White, for example) but i can't recall most of them off the top of my head so i'll give a rundown on some probable changes just to the OTL films to start us off:
 
I was just about to say something like that.

In my own head canon, I view the Japanese transition to democracy in 1989 as an extremely fragile moment in TL-191 world history: a near-successful assassination attempt on the remaining Imperial family nearly caused the Third Great War.

Since The Death of Stalin is classified as a comedy, I can see an even more darker attempt at Black Humor in "The Death of Hirohito".
This also makes me think about what an alternate TL-191 version of "1941"would look like. The Spielberg movie I mean.

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^^^ --- This one. With many incidents like the "Battle of Los Angeles" and the "Bombardment of Ellwood Oil Refinery" mashed up into a comedy movie. With the Second Great War occurring in North America right on the doorstep of the United States, it kinda makes me think about how a similar movie like this would be made, if at all.
 
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