Photos of the New Order

[xie323]

So this thread is inspired by the Photos of the Kaiserreich thread and the TL-191 photos thread. Only this time it's about the dystopian hellscape that is setting of the upcoming HOI4 mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe

I know that the mod isn't even out yet, but I think we know enough about the lore to have enough material to work with

There is no set canon so you can post photos from timelines that managed to fix themelves, timelines that got shittier but had no nuclear holocaust, and even timelines that got nuked(let's say they're relics discovered by a future civilization)

Funeral of Nazi Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich collapsed into civil war not long after that would be won by Speer's reformists after a 3 year struggle.

Reformist soldiers during the 3-way battle for Germania between the Reformists, the SS and Goeringites. Speidel's forces throwing their lot in with the reformists proved to be a deciding factor in the battle.

Albert Speer, the second Fuhrer of the German Reich upon his victory in the Nazi Civil War, is one of the most controversial figures of the 20th century, through responsible for successfully reforming the German Reich away from it's worst excesses and ensuring detente with the US and the Japanese reformists, he has been harshly criticized by many for not moving away from the Fascist system while giving amnesty to various Nazi officials in exchange for their support and pinning the worst of the Nazi excesses on the SS while whitewashing the complicity of himself and his followers. Speer's leinance towards the Nazi past would also be blamed for the current return of Orthodox Hitlerite ideas during the 21st Century with the growing influence of the "Orthodox National Socialist faction" of the NSDAP under Alexander Gauland in German politics.

Robert Kennedy(NPP-C) on the campaign trail. The failure of the Nixon administration to pass Civil Rights combined with the revelations of the measures he took to suppress the NPP propelled the NPP into office. Robert Kennedy's presidency proved to be very controversial. While he was able to pass important civil rights legislation, his legacy was burdened by the negative stigma associated with the presidency of Joseph P. Kennedy that contributed to US defeat in World War II. While he was successful in passing the Social Security Act, and increasing civil rights for blacks, he faced significant obstruction from the Democrat-Republicans in passing many of his socioeconomic reforms and said obstruction led to them becoming more watered down than they could have been. RFK's presidency was also characterized by far-right terrorism due to his civil rights programs by the NPP's right wing, the KKK and the pro-Nazi and proto-fascist Yockey wing of the NPP. His commitment to defeating Afrika Shield in the South African War, while successful in pushing for a ceasefire favoring South Africa, was very controversial, and the US role in repressing the ANC uprising, along with his willingness to negotiate with Speer, alienated many of the NPP left and set in motion the splitting of the NPP left from the NPP into the Socialist Party of America. Regardless of these controversies, RFK is seen today as a man that stood against the current and pushed causes he believed in, trying to make America a better place for everyone, even when it mean stepping some on their toes.

Screenshots from the game World in Conflict, detailing an alternate scenario where Goering won the post-Hitler power struggle and invaded America. Players play as the Free American Army in the single player campaign, which involves liberating America from Nazi occupation.

Spanish Republican Propaganda poster(translated into English) during the Iberian War, which would see the downfall of Falangism in Iberia and the collapse of the Iberian Union.

American Soldiers arriving in Cape Town, South Africa at the onset of the South African War.

 

[Maponus]

A Cornish women asks a policemen for directions as a member of the German garrison looks on.

A rally celebrating English-German friendship in occupied London.

Posters advertising work in Germany in the early days of German occupation.

British Fascists raise a hurrah for the King on the occasion of his birthday.

 

[akoslows]

One of the last photographs of Oskar Dirlewanger, the infamous leader of the 36th Waffen SS Panzergrenadier Brigade, before his retreat into Southern Russia.

After the West Russian War and the failed SS coup, it was generally assumed for many years that Dirlewanger and his men died out in the frozen wasteland of the former Soviet Union, but to the shock of many, he would reappear as the Bandit King of Southern Russia. Throughout the 50s and 60s, Dirlewanger and his men would leave a path of death and destruction in their wake as they pillaged countless city and towns throughout the Russian warlord states. Countless men, women, and children were slaughtered during this time.

A rare photograph that shows a Russian town being burned to the ground by Dirlewanger's Brigade.

Eventually, a few years before Russia's reunification, Dirlewanger's Brigade broke apart and the remnants would be finished off by the new Imperial Russian Army as the Tsar ordered for a sweep into Southern Russia to finish off the remaining warlords and bandits that plagued Russia. The exact details of Dirlewanger's fate remain unknown, though there are many tales of his death that range from being crushed by a meteor to suffocating due to drunkenly falling face-first into a pile of horse feces.

 

[xie323]

Photo of the Madrid Conference in Revolutionary Catalonia, which saw the formation of the Fourth Internationale(OOC: I think that focus was real). The Fourth International would grow to incorporate Socialist India, Communist Cuba, as well as many left leaning newly emerging nations in Africa emerging out of the collapse of the Afrika-Schild and the Socialist Party of America following the splitting of the NPP. While initially the Fourth Internationale had cordial relations with the OFN(indeed, many of them were supported by the OFN during the cold war with Germany and Japan), the advent of detente and the establishiment of the Coalition of Nations with reformists in Japan and Germany soured relations between the FI and the OFN, with the former seeing the latter as fully capitulating to "Fascist Capitalism". The relations between the OFN and the Fourth Internationale today has been described by some political observers as a "Second Cold War".

 

[Panzer]

(OOC: I think that focus was real).

(split the party isnt literal)

 

[xie323]

(split the party isnt literal)

I was talking about Pacifica's Iberian dev diary and Catalonia getting to form the Fourth Internationale

 

[Maponus]

Welsh ultranationalists after their overthrow of democracy in Wales, meeting to plan an expansionist war against the English German puppet state, which was at the time consumed by internal conflict with the resistance.

Though not necessarily a Fascist or even a pro-German regime as such, the influence of the German occupier down south on the Scottish nationalist government is evident in photographs like this.

Scottish Labour Party leader Barbara Castle at a rally for the boycott of goods produced in Germany's African colonies.

After the fall of the collaborationist government and final German withdrawal, many ex-resistance fighters continued to demand the disbandment of Police units who had blood on their hands from the Battle of London.

 

[A Piece of History]

Though not necessarily a Fascist or even a pro-German regime as such, the influence of the German occupier down south on the Scottish nationalist government is evident in photographs like this.

Is this a real picture or is it photoshopped?

 

[Maponus]

Is this a real picture or is it photoshopped?

It's probably a real photo, and it was attached to an article about the SNP. However, it was an article by a deranged racist hack, so there's that. I think it's probably of some or other 1930's Scottish Nationalist youth group, possibly the Scots Watch?

 

[Blackmesa]

Members of the German garrison in Cornwall relax after a patrol.

A group of nakam Partisans shortly Before The beginning of the Civil war in Ostland.

 

[Medibee]

Is this a real picture or is it photoshopped?

It's probably a real photo, and it was attached to an article about the SNP. However, it was an article by a deranged racist hack, so there's that. I think it's probably of some or other 1930's Scottish Nationalist youth group, possibly the Scots Watch?

Obvious shop

 

[A Piece of History]

Obvious shop

I knew it. I found it hard to believe that such a visible fascist youth movement could exist in Scotland of all places.

 

[akoslows]

Martin Luther King Jr. being arrested by two police officers in 1966.

Following George Wallace's victory in the 1964 election, the Civil Rights Movement would suffer many blows for the next three years as the new president began a harsh crackdown on civil rights activism and an enforcement of nationwide segregation. During this period, protests were dispersed by force, black students were forced out of integrated schools into black schools, and prominent leaders were detained and thrown in jail.

President Wallace announcing his intent to repeal the Civil Rights Act in his State of the Union Address in 1966. This speech horrified many in the Republican-Democratic Party and even in the NPP. It is widely considered one of the main factors in Wallace's later impeachment.

This all came to a head in November 1966, when the military fired upon student protestors at Caesar Rodney High School who were protesting against the removal of black students from their school. This incident shocked the nation, and would later lead to the House Judiciary Committee beginning the impeachment process against him. Despite Wallace's attempts to hold on to his power, the process still occured and Wallace was removed from office in May 1967.

 

[RightWinger93]

A Bormann-aligned panzer group drives their vintage Panzers through Frankfurt (1964)

Operation Dry Spring was the turning point in the German Civil War that permanently swung the scales in favor of Martin Bormann. The offensive proved to be the knockout blow for Albert Speers already fledging forces, as they could not handle a Bormann offensive and Goring counterattack at the same time. This culminated in the fall of Speers capital city Frankfurt on July 9th, 1964. Speer would flee Germany through RK Neiderlande less than two weeks after the battle.

 

[RandomWriter]

A book written and published two years after Martin Bormann’s flight into exile by Ronald Gray (Likely an alias), an ‘intelligence operative’ of free England who claimed to have murdered Martin Bormann during his escape after his failure in the German Civil War. Though the book initially gained large sales abroad, several intelligence agencies disputed the author’s claims, and alleged Bormann sightings continued until 1985. By this time, the author had managed to get himself into financial trouble, and his book was largely written off as “tabloid fodder from a Farouk wannabe.”

Hans Speidel, first Chancellor of Germany after Fürher Speer’s death in 1981. Reluctant to accept the position but willing to go through with it, his three years of leadership before his own death in 1984 helped set the groundwork of Germany’s new age, despite numerous rivals in both the NSDAP and Whermacht vying for power.

Mikhail Gorbachev, former Moscowein Collaborator and conservative candidate for the Presidency of Russia in 1976. Though he did not win the election, losing by a large margin due to his collaborator past (widely brought up by his rivals on all political sides), he would later become head of the Russian Duma (with much more success than Chancellor Speidel, though with considerably less power than the first president of Russia, Alexander Rutskoy.)

Emperor Akhito arriving at a KN meeting held in Switzerland, to discuss multiple issues regarding proposed decolonization, nuclear disarmament, and other issues originally brought up when Speer first founded the organization. While many Japanese refuse to give up Korea, President George H. W. Bush continues to press for a free Korea, with Germany despite their own political struggles at the time supporting Bush’s position (if largely to keep the issue of decolonization delayed by Japan’s inevitable use of veto while they figure out just what to do about the increasingly horrific situation in Africa caused by their own victory in the South African War.) Time will tell if these talks do anything.


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[RandomWriter]

Ferdinand Schörner, future leader of the Government of National Reconstruction (left), shaking hands with Adolf Hitler (right) shortly after the end of the Second Weltkreig/or Second World War, depending on your country. This iconic photo would be one of many mass produced and painted for the masses after his ascension to power in the ‘Anarchy’ period of the German civil war.

Duce Galeazzo Ciano signing a formal request to join the Organization of Free Nations, after the massing of German troops and equipment on the Italian border. Despite Italy’s position in Europe and their own potential, America was not willing to risk a world war over Italy, and was occupied with developments in the Pacific theatre. Though volunteer divisions and some material aid were sent, that was the extent of OFN aid.

It would not be enough.

Ngo Dinh Diem, first President for life of Vietnam. He would be the first of the Diem dynasty, and one of many thorns in the rapidly collapsing Sphere. With both American aid and covert aid from a resurgent China, Diem’s regime would (against ludicrous odds) hold out against the Japanese. Due to a lack of organized planning, interference from slowly rebelling Sphere members, and Japan focusing more on America’s own efforts in China regarding a few remaining communist cells, Diem would win the Vietnam war.

And Americans would later question if their president had backed the wrong side, tarring President Al Gore’s otherwise stellar reputation at home.

First President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Despite being the most liberal of the candidates at the time, he retained perpetual emergency powers and use of underhanded tactics to prevent serious opposition to any of his own personal proposals for the entirety of his reign. However, his regime kept parliamentary elections, and he shifted wherever the political winds blew, leading to several historians noting (or at least claiming) that Iraq was ‘one of the best authoritarian democracies’ of its time. After his death in 2006 however, the people of Iraq had their first actual presidential election, and Iraq fully liberalized in 2012.

Charles De Gaulle, finally returning to France after the collapse of Burgundy. Despite continued saber rattling from the Government of National Reconstruction, France was admitted into the OFN, and unlike previous presidents, President Reagan was perfectly willing to come to blows with Schörner, who decided it would be wiser to focus on other potential conquests instead of saber rattling at a France who would fight Schörner the same way he had fought Italy.

With waves and waves of bodies.
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(OOC: no one posted in a while. forgive me for my double posting.)

 

[President Earl Warren]

American officer instructing a new recruit into the Army of the Central African Republic. After the victory in the South African war and the dissolution of the Reichs colonies in Africa, the United States began the impossible task of nation building in the desolated contenint, making severe mistakes such as not allowing any previous collaborators into the goverment forcing them to build a new goverment from scratch,The Central African Army being one such attempt. Ultimately after American Withdrawal in the 1970s, the country collapsed back into chaos and continues to be one of the most conflict prone areas on the planet.

 

[Twiggierjet]

Ferdinand Schörner, future leader of the Government of National Reconstruction (left), shaking hands with Adolf Hitler (right) shortly after the end of the Second Weltkreig/or Second World War, depending on your country. This iconic photo would be one of many mass produced and painted for the masses after his ascension to power in the ‘Anarchy’ period of the German civil war.

Duce Galeazzo Ciano signing a formal request to join the Organization of Free Nations, after the massing of German troops and equipment on the Italian border. Despite Italy’s position in Europe and their own potential, America was not willing to risk a world war over Italy, and was occupied with developments in the Pacific theatre. Though volunteer divisions and some material aid were sent, that was the extent of OFN aid.

It would not be enough.

Ngo Dinh Diem, first President for life of Vietnam. He would be the first of the Diem dynasty, and one of many thorns in the rapidly collapsing Sphere. With both American aid and covert aid from a resurgent China, Diem’s regime would (against ludicrous odds) hold out against the Japanese. Due to a lack of organized planning, interference from slowly rebelling Sphere members, and Japan focusing more on America’s own efforts in China regarding a few remaining communist cells, Diem would win the Vietnam war.

And Americans would later question if their president had backed the wrong side, tarring President Al Gore’s otherwise stellar reputation at home.

First President of the Republic of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Despite being the most liberal of the candidates at the time, he retained perpetual emergency powers and use of underhanded tactics to prevent serious opposition to any of his own personal proposals for the entirety of his reign. However, his regime kept parliamentary elections, and he shifted wherever the political winds blew, leading to several historians noting (or at least claiming) that Iraq was ‘one of the best authoritarian democracies’ of its time. After his death in 2006 however, the people of Iraq had their first actual presidential election, and Iraq fully liberalized in 2012.

Charles De Gaulle, finally returning to France after the collapse of Burgundy. Despite continued saber rattling from the Government of National Reconstruction, France was admitted into the OFN, and unlike previous presidents, President Reagan was perfectly willing to come to blows with Schörner, who decided it would be wiser to focus on other potential conquests instead of saber rattling at a France who would fight Schörner the same way he had fought Italy.

With waves and waves of bodies.
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(OOC: no one posted in a while. forgive me for my double posting.)

What ended up becoming of schoerner and Germany by the 21st century?
Also how did Diems very good and smart economic policies work out in the long term in this TL?

 

[RandomWriter]

What ended up becoming of schoerner and Germany by the 21st century?
Also how did Diems very good and smart economic policies work out in the long term in this TL?

Schörner’s germany is an utterly failed state likely to collapse at any moment once other power hungry generals attempt to seize power after his death, (Think Goring’s empire except Schorner leaves the economy to economics people) and Diem’s very good ideas have led to Vietnam becoming akin to North Korea.

So very, very poorly for the two of them in this timeline.

 

[President Earl Warren]

just wondering after Vatican 2 ittl or Offical condemnation from Rome, which ever comes first, did the Vietnamese church go Sedevancist under Arch Bishop Ngho Du Thuc?