Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

TTL Free France has a fleet and an army of its own early on. It makes only sense to use it to get as much of the French empire on side as it can... and to do it fast and early before Vichy can replace governors and commanders willing to resist with its own loyalists.
And success breeds success. Every colony that rallies to the Cross of Lorraine makes it easier for the next one to follow suit. Espcially since there is no Mers el Kebir disaster and the Free French have their own fleet. French colonial forces will find it easier to fire against british warships rather than start civil war.

Speaking of which, had happened to Emile Bertin and her load of gold that was in Halifax during the Armistice? Did she escape to Martinique as in OTL or she lies in british/ free french hands?

Their next stop would be Djibuti, a visit would further strengthen Legentilhomme's position there, only the timely dispatch a two cruisers carrying Algerian Tirailleurs had stopped a Vichy takeover of the colony after Legentilhomme had refused entry to the Italian armistice commission and the Italians had reacted by having Weygand appoint a higher ranking officer in command of French Somaliland
The garrison of 8,000 regulars of French Somaliland has been added in the East African OOB. They can absorb a lot lot of italian forces making the situation in Sudan less urgent. Even if the Italians siege Djibuti, it can be resupplied by Aden. A few destroyers protecting merchantmen ( e.g. SS WIlly, random name) will be enough in supplying the garrison.

If the situation in Sudan seems less urgent, then perhaps just the 5th Indian Division (along with perhaps additional indian battalions) may be deemed sufficient. The 4th could stay in Western Desert throughout the 1940-1941 winter.
 
Since the Helli keeps the same place as OTL instead of the Averoff as in the Guns of Lausanne, where is gone the Averoff? I lost track of it.

Also, what's the status, preparedness and resources of civil defense in anticipation of future bombing campaigns either the Italians or more probably the Germans might conduct against Greek cities?
 
Since the Helli keeps the same place as OTL instead of the Averoff as in the Guns of Lausanne, where is gone the Averoff? I lost track of it.

Also, what's the status, preparedness and resources of civil defense in anticipation of future bombing campaigns either the Italians or more probably the Germans might conduct against Greek cities?
Well the averof is the pride of the fleet as it should be
 
Since the Helli keeps the same place as OTL instead of the Averoff as in the Guns of Lausanne, where is gone the Averoff? I lost track of it.
The Athena. Helli is a heavy cruiser that entered service in 1939. :p Averof is in part 33
Following the advice of the British naval mission under admiral Webb, a thorough modernization of Averof had been completed a few months earlier, replacing its old machinery with turbines and oil fired boilers, improving deck armour and torpedo defences and installing new fire control. At 400,000 pounds the modernization had been costly but it had kept Averof relevant at only a fraction of the cost for a new heavy cruiser, at 26 knots post modernization, Averof was notably slower but in exchange was far better armoured and slightly better armed.
By now it should be getting replaced, normally by a third heavy cruiser, but with a war on that's impractical so it continues in service.

Also, what's the status, preparedness and resources of civil defense in anticipation of future bombing campaigns either the Italians or more probably the Germans might conduct against Greek cities?
About on par with OTL which was pretty good, with shelters, laws demanding all new apartment blocks to also include shelters in their basements and a reasonably effective civil defence organization to coordinate things. Well there is worrying TTL like OTL about gas masks availability for the civilian population but this won't prove an issue likely.
 
Part 62
Athens, August 17th, 1940

Little doubt existed in the Greek government about who was responsible for the attack in Tιnos, after all torpedo fragments with Italian markings had already been retrieved from the harbour. The only question was whether the Italians would actually go to war or not following the attack. Much to the surprise and some relief for Athens they had not done so, so far and had even gone so far as to claim the attack had been in reality a British provocation. The Italian ambassador Emmanuelle Gracchi had even shown up to complain about several Greek newspaper hinting or openly accusing Italy for the attack, only to be told that the Greek government had made no such accusations but Greece had freedom of the press, if he didn't like what the papers were writing about his country he could take it up to the courts. Of course hint had already reached Gracchi that at least one article titled "the stiletto" by George Vlachos of the Kathimerini, the leading conservative paper, had been written at the instigation of the prime minister...

Djibouti, August 19th, 1940


40,000 Italian troops had invaded the French and British Somalilands, after the French one had definitely declared for Free France. Allied forces about 8,000 French and 4,500 British colonial troops had initially been pushed back, albeit slowly. But the French had been reinforced with the 29th Algerian regiment from Syria and with the political situation secure the regiment had been quickly rushed to the front, adding more than 3,000 men to the allied army. It had been enough to tip the balance. The Italian advance was stopped with slightly over 5,000 casualties for about 1,400 allied casualties.

Rome, August 20th, 1940

The Supermarina announced that the submarine Delfino had been lost at sea with all hands during patrol. No information was available where the submarine exactly was when it was patrolling or the cause of the loss.

Valona, August 21st, 1940

The last element of the 51st Siena division reached Albania increasing Italian divisions in Albania to six, one of them the 131st Centauro armoured. Given port limitations it took at least 6 days to move a new infantry division and its support elements to Albania.

Chad, August 26th, 1940

The colony declared for Free France.

Berlin, August 27th, 1940

The Germans refused to take part on any Italian operation against either Greece or Yugoslavia, precedence had to be given to the coming assault on Britain that would knock her out of the war. But if Italy felt compelled to take immediate action against the two Bankan countries Germany would not object, as long as it dod not hinder operations against Britain. After all both the Greeks and the Yugoslavs had clearly shown they were not friendly to the Reich, the Yugoslavs overthrowing an Axis-friendly prime minister and British instigation and the Greeks openly signing a treaty with France and Britain and meddling in support of the allies in Constantinople. French foreign ministry papers capture at Sarite were even speaking about plans of a Balkan front against Germany. Should it be Yugoslavia or Greece first. Yugoslavia had the larger army. Greece had a much tougher navy that joined up to the British Mediterranean fleet could be a problem. In the end it was up to what the Duce decided. Or how he woke up the day before ordering the invasion...

Libreville, Gabon August 28th, 1940

French equatorial Africa had declared for free France but pro-Vichy elements in Gabon had tried to hold out. Their resistance though had collapsed when Castex's fleet had shown up. All French African possessions south of Senegal had joined Free France.

Vienna, August 30th, 1940

Gigurtu had hoped that being pro-German would spare Romania further territorial loss. It had not as Germany and Italy had forced Romania to cede Transylvania to Hungary. Romania could had resisted of course, but then nothing guaranteed the Soviets would not invade again along the Hungarians and Bulgarians. Two thirds of the army were still tied down on the Prut to hold back against a renewed Soviet offensive. What remained would not stand up to the Hungarians and Bulgarians without Yugoslav and Greek support. But the Balkan Entente was for all practical purposes dead. 1.3 million Romanians had just been lost to the country without a fight. In September 7th the treaty of Craiva would also cost Romania Southern Dobruja. The Gigurtu government had already been overthrown by a coup led by Ion Antonescu and Codreanu's Iron Guard from the previous day.

Alexandria, September 3rd, 1940

Thomas Edward Shaw, left his motorcycle, a Brough Superior SS 100 he had managed to bring all the way from Britain, in the parking and entered the hotel. Somewhat to the surprise of the manager on the concierge he addressed him in fluent Greek, the ever observant manager had noticed he had talked to the bell-boy in equally fluent Arabic. The newly minted senior agent of the newly minted SOE, went straight to his room a copy of Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur under his left arm.

Constantinople, September 10th, 1940

With the collapse of the League of Nations and then the fall of France the British high commissioner had found himself in de facto control of Constantinople. The Italian commissioner was gone, admiral Durand-Viel the French one had effectively lost all influence, the Greek and Turkish ones could influence the local populations in ways he could not match but did not represent great powers. Now he found himself under increasing pressure from the Greeks to proclaim an official referendum for the union of the city, or rather its European part with Greece. But such a move would completely alienate Turkey and this was something the Foreign office wanted to avoid, indeed low level talks were underway in Sivas to see what would be the Turkish price for keeping out of the mess. The Greeks should understand and stop pressing for Constantinople. More they should perhaps make some concessions to the Turks, even if that particular proposal wasn't exactly popular with his own government as well, particularly Churchill. But if every idea of the prime minister was taken at face value...

French Indochina, September 20th, 1940

Catroux and then admiral Decoux, had kept trying to stall the negotiations with Japan since June. But the Japanese would not accept any more stalling. Decoux received a Japanese ultimatum to accept Japanese troops into French territory. Two days later the Japanese 5th division would enter Indochina.

Slovenia, September 20th, 1940

A thousand guns opened up on Yugoslav positions as the Italian 1st, 2nd and 8th armies, jumped off their starting positions. Closely behind the motorised and celere divisions of the Army of the Po were ready to exploit any success. Yugoslav units, fought back but the Yugoslav 7th army had two infantry and a cavaltry divisions along with three mountain brigades facing 30 Italian divisions. Of course each Yugoslav brigade was about the size of an Italian division. But then the Yugoslav divisions were just mobilizing and Yugoslavia had been facing severe domestic trouble since her creation that even the recent agreement between Dragisa Cvetkovic, the deputy prime minister of the Stanojevic government and Vladko Macek the head of the Croatian peasant party calling for federalising Yugoslavia had come perhaps too late to relieve tensions. Then again the Slovenes had excellent reasons to hate fascist Italy...

Albania, September 20th, 1940

Eleven Italian divisions and the 7th army headquarters had been brought to Albania. Seven of these, backed by about 10,000 Albanian auxiliaries invaded Kosovo and Montenegro while 4 more covered the border with Greece.

Belgrade, September 20th, 1940

Yugoslav fighters rose up to meet the Italian bombers. The Italian CR.42s escorting the bombers barely had sufficient range to reach Belgrade. And facing the Yugoslav IK-3s, Hurricanes and LN-161s would prove a rude surprise. The bombing of Belgrade would not be repeated for some time.

Athens, September 20th, 1940.

Ion Dragoumis signed the orders mobilizing 2 full corps. Greece was not joining the war, right away at least, but the writing in the wall appeared to be pretty clear...

Dakar, September 23rd, 1940

The lifting of the morning fog revealed a Free French fleet including Richelieu, Strasbourg and Lorraine. General Boisson would still not be intimidated, even in the knowledge that four infantry regiments were carried with the fleet. However reluctant both sides were soon enough bullets replaced talk and cannon fire followed bullets. But the Free French forces were stronger and Boisson had no hope of reinforcement. It would take a week of somewhat desultory fighting before Dakar surrendered to De Gaulle. Boisson and Vichy loyalists would be allowed to evacuate to Morocco. Hopes that Morocco and Algeria might follow Dakar and Senegal would soon prove empty as the Vichy hold on them was too strong at the moment.
 
My god the suspense! The Greek entry inito the war will definitly be explosive to say the least; I almost expected them to come to the aid of Yugoslavia straight away tbh but either way it's definitely going to be a mess
 
Thomas Edward Shaw, left his motorcycle, a Brough Superior SS 100 he had managed to bring all the way from Britain, in the parking and entered the hotel. Somewhat to the surprise of the manager on the concierge he addressed him in fluent Greek, the ever observant manager had noticed he had talked to the bell-boy in equally fluent Arabic. The newly minted senior agent of the newly minted SOE, went straight to his room a copy of Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur under his left arm.
I was looking forward to this moment since I read an old post of yours. I am pretty sure Shaw of Kurdistan will thrive.

A thousand guns opened up on Yugoslav positions as the Italian 1st, 2nd and 8th armies, jumped off their starting positions
That was unexpected!

If Italy invades on its own and it is somewhat successful - advancing but much slower than the OTL Heer motorized units, then a sinigifcant part of the Yugoslav Army may escape south and hold a national redoubt before being forced further south to Greece.

Dakar, September 23rd, 1940

So, de Gaulle has additional legitimacy, a fine deep-water port for the Battle of the Atlantic, Smaug-levels of gold and a 50,000 manpower pool from West Africa.

The question is, where will the Free French establish their government? There is no need for London in TTL. So will it be Dakar or Beirut? @DracoLazarus @jeandebueil what do you think?
 
The Greeks should understand and stop pressing for Constantinople. More they should perhaps make some concessions to the Turks, even if that particular proposal wasn't exactly popular with his own government as well, particularly Churchill.
More appeasements eh?
I wonder what was the key factor that led Mussolini to invade Yugoslavia instead of Greece this time.
 
An italian invasion of Yugoslavia..i did not expect that i hope this time Yugoslavia has enough time to mobilize this time..
What I was supposed to be predictable? :p
My god the suspense! The Greek entry inito the war will definitly be explosive to say the least; I almost expected them to come to the aid of Yugoslavia straight away tbh but either way it's definitely going to be a mess
With France gone joining Britain at the moment poses its difficulties. If Venizelos was still alive things could be different. Then Dragoumis probably still has some lingering doubts about Yugoslavia over Monastir.

I was looking forward to this moment since I read an old post of yours. I am pretty sure Shaw of Kurdistan will thrive.
Don't know what you mean. It's as if you think mr Shaw has a background or something. Probably just another head in the clouds no gooder like the rest this SOE seems to attract. :angel:

That was unexpected!

If Italy invades on its own and it is somewhat successful - advancing but much slower than the OTL Heer motorized units, then a sinigifcant part of the Yugoslav Army may escape south and hold a national redoubt before being forced further south to Greece.
Italy did plan both an invasion of Greece and an invasion of Yugoslavia in OTL, the Yugoslav invasion was even supposed to come apparently first (or not it's Benny we are talking about, ruthless, capable and can be depended to change stance every second day). The Germans put enough influence to stop the initial one... but Germany did not have any problem in principle with Italy invading Yugoslavia and Greece, just about invading then and there. TTL with the Greeks and Yugoslavs even further in the allied side the other side of the coin is the Germans are much less reluctant about letting the Italians do as they please in the Balkans. Post that if you are looking for a relatively easy conquest, starting with Yugoslavia doesn't bring the Greek navy into play while the British are still in the fight. Why not wait to take care of the Greeks... after Sea Lion brings Britain on its knees?

So, de Gaulle has additional legitimacy, a fine deep-water port for the Battle of the Atlantic, Smaug-levels of gold and a 50,000 manpower pool from West Africa.
Effectively the Vichy controlled French empire is down to North Africa, Indochina, Guiana, the Carribean and Reunion...

The question is, where will the Free French establish their government? There is no need for London in TTL. So will it be Dakar or Beirut? @DracoLazarus @jeandebueil what do you think?
I'm inclined towards Dakar myself but we shall see. Meanwhile Dakar helps also in the battle of the Atlantic. Now add that the treaty ports have been returned to Ireland but Collins takes the promise to provide Irish facilities if the need arise seriously and the battle of the Atlantic gets... interesting. As does Ireland's position but that's a different matter.

More appeasements eh?
If there were people in the FO that were offering the Bulgarians Greek Thrace... in early 1941 when Greece was the only unconquered non-Commonwealth ally of Greece there is not much hope from that direction.

I wonder what was the key factor that led Mussolini to invade Yugoslavia instead of Greece this time.
1 battleship, 5 cruisers, 24 destroyers and 12 submarines. The Mediterranean fleet in June 1940 by comparison was 2 carriers, 4 battleships, 9 cruisers, 24 destroyers and 12 submarines. By January 41 2 carriers, 3 battleships, 11 cruisers, 25 destroyers and 17 submarines, plus Force H with 1 CV, 2 BB, 1 CL and 8 DD. Would you really want to add that to the Mediterranean fleet if you could avoid it? Or Mussolini could had woken up wrong that morning...
 
Smaug-levels of gold
If I remember correctly, the gold stored in North Africa was either Polish (about 75 metric tons) or Belgian (about 198 metric tons), while French gold had either been sent to the Antillas, London or Canada. So, Free French capture of West Africa doesn't impact so much their own finances, but rather that of the Belgians and the Poles, and given the volume of it, perhaps in quite a dramatic way.

 
If I remember correctly, the gold stored in North Africa was either Polish (about 75 metric tons) or Belgian (about 198 metric tons), while French gold had either been sent to the Antillas, London or Canada. So, Free French capture of West Africa doesn't impact so much their own finances, but rather that of the Belgians and the Poles, and given the volume of it, perhaps in quite a dramatic way.
I think that in total, there were 1100 tons of gold in Dakar (inland of Dakar to be precise).

Shaw of Kurdistan, or Shaw of the occupied Thrace?
Thrace is not the best terrain for extensive guerilla warfare. Kurdistan will be perfect for T.E. Lawrence.

Effectively the Vichy controlled French empire is down to North Africa, Indochina, Guiana, the Carribean and Reunion...
Is there a chance for battleships carrying the Cross of Lorraine to steam to the Carribean? Or they would be mindful of an american reaction? What happened to Emile Bertin and the 255 tons of gold on board?

1 battleship, 5 cruisers, 24 destroyers and 12 submarines.
I don't want to impose on a hellish day like today (Greece is going through a tough heatwave) but is there perhaps an already-made table with the Hellenic Navy's OOB and the major characteristics of its ships (tonnage, gun calibre)? Only if you have already made one, don't bother with it otherwise.
 
The question is, where will the Free French establish their government? There is no need for London in TTL. So will it be Dakar or Beirut? @DracoLazarus @jeandebueil what do you think?
As long as they don't have Alger, Dakar is better. It has more "prestige" than Beirut, even geographically more distant. It's "French" since the XVIIIth century and is the de facto capital of French West Africa with good infrastructures.
 
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1 battleship, 5 cruisers, 24 destroyers and 12 submarines. The Mediterranean fleet in June 1940 by comparison was 2 carriers, 4 battleships, 9 cruisers, 24 destroyers and 12 submarines. By January 41 2 carriers, 3 battleships, 11 cruisers, 25 destroyers and 17 submarines, plus Force H with 1 CV, 2 BB, 1 CL and 8 DD. Would you really want to add that to the Mediterranean fleet if you could avoid it? Or Mussolini could had woken up wrong that morning...
Wow did not realize the Greek fleet was this strong. I know nothing of WWII navies, but the comparison with the British fleet really helped making the point.

From the POV of the Greeks one could say Mussolini has woken up right that morning :openedeyewink:
 
I don't want to impose on a hellish day like today (Greece is going through a tough heatwave) but is there perhaps an already-made table with the Hellenic Navy's OOB and the major characteristics of its ships (tonnage, gun calibre)? Only if you have already made one, don't bother with it otherwise.
Tough heatwave eh..welcome to the average Cypriot summer my friend
 
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