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Map Thread XVIII
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Alright there you go:
New England and Virginia are Dominions, the nation in Mid-Atlantic region is the rump USA. Carolinas are "Republic of" and "Socialist Republic of". South Carolina had a complicated African-American-Communist vs White Reactionary vs International (mostly White) communist until two communist factions managed to get along. Norway is Denmark in exile while Iceland-Greenland is a republic. Louisiana was fully united Republic until Canadians took the north Texas style.
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Oh, wow! That's a communist Europe for once! The Germano-Italian Socialist Republic is a wonderful idea, really, we can go to Bella Italia without leaving the country finally!
And the European Socialist Republics or whatever it is called will forever be football World Champions - imagine Neuer and Buffon, Robben and Lewandowski, Kroos and Chiesa etc., all in one team!
@Gokbay , would you accept if we collaboratively built a backstory for this map and a timeline?
Honestly, why not. But I am just (5th of May) starting the last year of High school and will not have a lot of free time. And since I actually study at a German High School that is outside Germany I will have to study for both my countries University entrance exam and Abitur (I am currently of the opinion that I will focus on the local exam and not Abitur, but I still must do Abitur and want at least a 3.) (fyi I am currently like 2.7). So Anyway while I am open to the idea I probably won't be able to contribute much. So your call.
What you could do is have a split between Germany and Italy over ideologically differences, and differences over policy. (Think Sino-Soviet Split.)
Also you could have Louisiana be a Kingdom of France in Exile that sold the more Northen half to Canada, but took a bit out of Texas and Mexico.
Also combine East Tenseness with parts of Georgia and Alabama be its own thing. (Ally with the English.)
Maybe 'Free France' holdout in Christian Lebanon? And Pharaonism Egypt?
Hapsburg Exile in Mexico? Or Royalists Spain in Peru?
United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, and Normandy?
By the way have a Work in progress of a post alternate WW2 map.
the EU color is for an organisation called Istanbul Agreement and the POD is around 1920s causing some different alliance systems in Eastern Europe and Middle East causing an earlier WW2 with two Great Powers being on the opposite side and one not even joining leading to the small anti-radical alliances in Eastern Europe and Middle East to unify into the IA and together having great influence. I think the 4 predecessor organization should be easy to guess (atleast the two of them anyway). Please disregard the writing on the top left.
the EU color is for an organisation called Istanbul Agreement and the POD is around 1920s causing some different alliance systems in Eastern Europe and Middle East causing an earlier WW2 with two Great Powers being on the opposite side and one not even joining leading to the small anti-radical alliances in Eastern Europe and Middle East to unify into the IA and together having great influence. I think the 4 predecessor organization should be easy to guess (atleast the two of them anyway). Please disregard the writing on the top left.
I don't think all those royalist exiles make sense. Though the Louisiana idea could work imo. There already is a "Free France" and Egypt is (at least in this map) part of *Baathist United Arab Republics. Btw UAR claims Palestine from Hashemite Union (name pending)
Eh, just throwing around ideas. (But at least Louisiana could work.)
United Arab Republics are old hat. Pharaonism is the way!
Any ideas regarding the "European Socialist Republics" map can now be posted in my map thread.
Anyone remember this little map from a year ago?
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/upload_2017-8-29_20-54-51-png.341477/
Well, as I've been on the site for two years now, I've decided to continue the tradition (mostly as it gives me an excuse to polish up one of my half-dozen unfinished WIP's to a high enough quality that I'm not embarrassed posting it).
Having decided to keep this going back in February, I was then stuck on what to do for a big map showpiece (as I said, I have a depressingly large number of WIP's sitting on my hard drive waiting to be finished). Eventually though, I decided to finally map a TL I've been endlessly running through my head for years now. No word of a lie, I've been on-off working on the ideas behind this map since 2015, though I'll happily admit that the TL has gone through so many re-writes and re-imaginings since then that practically nothing besides a few of the core ideas has gone unchanged.
With that decision made, I got cracking on making a world map, and then got assaulted by an endless stream of distractions from mapping; essays, exams, project work over the summer and even a week long Geology field trip to Dorset and the Isle of Wight to go fossil hunting. A month ago, I began to realise that the map wouldn't be finished in time for the 28th August deadline, and I started looking around for solutions. I was at a loss, until I took a little inspiration from MotF 182 and decided that a map of Europe in TTL's 1944 would be both easy and quick to do, and serve as a good introduction and teaser to the final map (which will be completed at some point, I don't know when). So, over the last week and a half I've hurriedly edited the mostly complete 2018 Europe portion of the world map to whip up a 1944 teaser map.
Predictably though, I've run out of time. The map was finally finished two hours ago, but the notes and colour-key are still a WIP and I've only got ten minutes left before midnight (and yes, I know I did exactly the same thing last year; I'm just crap at meeting deadlines). So I'll cheat a little; the map goes up now, and in a few hours when I've added everything else I want to add, I'll edit this post and replace this map with the final work. A detailed write-up will take longer, but expect it to be up in the next few days.
At it's broadest, the TL can be though of as a Central Powers victory scenario gone wrong, though from 1944 this still isn't entirely apparent. A different build-up leads to a delayed Great War in 1916, with Germany getting lucky and managing to force a truce in 1921 when both Russia and Austria-Hungary collapse into civil war. In short, The Germans either cede of sell off all the colonial territory captured during the course of the war in return for being allowed to re-shape fractured eastern Europe in their own image, pulling a reformed AH through their civil war as the Leithanian Commonwealth and propping up a string of puppet states in the fragmented remains of Russia (now run by the Mensheviks following the conclusion of their own civil war).
Wind forward two decades though and all that Germany worked so hard to build is coming down around it under the pressure of an alternate Depression, in a time that will come to be known as The Reckoning (there is no WW2 equivalent, though there are several major regional-scale wars and civil wars, that over the two decades from the Brazilian Revolution in 1936 to the end of the Ottoman civil war in 1954 successively tear down the old political order and fell many of the giants of pre-reckoning geopolitics, eventually ushering in the Spectral War).
Germany is divided. The right and the left are at each others throats over the perceived failure of German hegemony over Europe, blaming each other as their sphere of influence slips between their fingers. German-descended monarchies across eastern Europe increasingly look the the rising star of a resurgent Russia, currently in the process of dismantling the Japanese colonial empire in Asia in the Second Russo-Japanese war, while in the Balkans an ever-devolving Leithania becomes less united by the day as the constituent kingdoms and duchies of the commonwealth are granted ever more local autonomy, all while the ideologies of Lysism (fascism by a different name) and communism wreak havoc across the continent. Newly communist France in particular is eyeing German dysfunction with glee, fresh from their successes propping up allied forces in the Italian and Spanish civil wars. In the francophone industrial and coal mining belt of Belgium, the brutal suppression of a strike has spiralled into a French-backed revolution that threatens the very existence of the pro-German puppet regime in Brussels, much to German chagrin. With Britain distracted by both her involvement in the Russo-Japanese war and a costly intervention into civil war wracked Lysist Mexico and Russia disinterested, there is nothing to prevent the situation from growing ever worse.
The date is the 4th April, 1944, and for the second time in a generation, Europe is headed for war.
The map (notes and colour-key to come ASAP);
Ask questions, but hopefully the answers will be in the write-up when I eventually finish it. More to come. And yes, I do intent to make a TL out of this when the main map's finished. Until then, you'll just have to wait.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/upload_2017-8-29_20-54-51-png.341477/
Well, as I've been on the site for two years now, I've decided to continue the tradition (mostly as it gives me an excuse to polish up one of my half-dozen unfinished WIP's to a high enough quality that I'm not embarrassed posting it).
Having decided to keep this going back in February, I was then stuck on what to do for a big map showpiece (as I said, I have a depressingly large number of WIP's sitting on my hard drive waiting to be finished). Eventually though, I decided to finally map a TL I've been endlessly running through my head for years now. No word of a lie, I've been on-off working on the ideas behind this map since 2015, though I'll happily admit that the TL has gone through so many re-writes and re-imaginings since then that practically nothing besides a few of the core ideas has gone unchanged.
With that decision made, I got cracking on making a world map, and then got assaulted by an endless stream of distractions from mapping; essays, exams, project work over the summer and even a week long Geology field trip to Dorset and the Isle of Wight to go fossil hunting. A month ago, I began to realise that the map wouldn't be finished in time for the 28th August deadline, and I started looking around for solutions. I was at a loss, until I took a little inspiration from MotF 182 and decided that a map of Europe in TTL's 1944 would be both easy and quick to do, and serve as a good introduction and teaser to the final map (which will be completed at some point, I don't know when). So, over the last week and a half I've hurriedly edited the mostly complete 2018 Europe portion of the world map to whip up a 1944 teaser map.
Predictably though, I've run out of time. The map was finally finished two hours ago, but the notes and colour-key are still a WIP and I've only got ten minutes left before midnight (and yes, I know I did exactly the same thing last year; I'm just crap at meeting deadlines). So I'll cheat a little; the map goes up now, and in a few hours when I've added everything else I want to add, I'll edit this post and replace this map with the final work. A detailed write-up will take longer, but expect it to be up in the next few days.
At it's broadest, the TL can be though of as a Central Powers victory scenario gone wrong, though from 1944 this still isn't entirely apparent. A different build-up leads to a delayed Great War in 1916, with Germany getting lucky and managing to force a truce in 1921 when both Russia and Austria-Hungary collapse into civil war. In short, The Germans either cede of sell off all the colonial territory captured during the course of the war in return for being allowed to re-shape fractured eastern Europe in their own image, pulling a reformed AH through their civil war as the Leithanian Commonwealth and propping up a string of puppet states in the fragmented remains of Russia (now run by the Mensheviks following the conclusion of their own civil war).
Wind forward two decades though and all that Germany worked so hard to build is coming down around it under the pressure of an alternate Depression, in a time that will come to be known as The Reckoning (there is no WW2 equivalent, though there are several major regional-scale wars and civil wars, that over the two decades from the Brazilian Revolution in 1936 to the end of the Ottoman civil war in 1954 successively tear down the old political order and fell many of the giants of pre-reckoning geopolitics, eventually ushering in the Spectral War).
Germany is divided. The right and the left are at each others throats over the perceived failure of German hegemony over Europe, blaming each other as their sphere of influence slips between their fingers. German-descended monarchies across eastern Europe increasingly look the the rising star of a resurgent Russia, currently in the process of dismantling the Japanese colonial empire in Asia in the Second Russo-Japanese war, while in the Balkans an ever-devolving Leithania becomes less united by the day as the constituent kingdoms and duchies of the commonwealth are granted ever more local autonomy, all while the ideologies of Lysism (fascism by a different name) and communism wreak havoc across the continent. Newly communist France in particular is eyeing German dysfunction with glee, fresh from their successes propping up allied forces in the Italian and Spanish civil wars. In the francophone industrial and coal mining belt of Belgium, the brutal suppression of a strike has spiralled into a French-backed revolution that threatens the very existence of the pro-German puppet regime in Brussels, much to German chagrin. With Britain distracted by both her involvement in the Russo-Japanese war and a costly intervention into civil war wracked Lysist Mexico and Russia disinterested, there is nothing to prevent the situation from growing ever worse.
The date is the 4th April, 1944, and for the second time in a generation, Europe is headed for war.
The map (notes and colour-key to come ASAP);
Ask questions, but hopefully the answers will be in the write-up when I eventually finish it. More to come. And yes, I do intent to make a TL out of this when the main map's finished. Until then, you'll just have to wait.
How did communist France acquire parts of Italy? And do they use the French Republican Calendar, as any far-left France should do? Is the French Republican Calendar also used in Spain and/r Italy?
And, with all of Italy having gone red, where did the Pope find exile? Maybe in this small state between Lithuania and Belarus - shall that be the New Vatican? Or did the Pope flee to Lisbon, Vienna, Dublin, or even Speyer or Worms?
And, with all of Italy having gone red, where did the Pope find exile? Maybe in this small state between Lithuania and Belarus - shall that be the New Vatican? Or did the Pope flee to Lisbon, Vienna, Dublin, or even Speyer or Worms?
What are those small territories in a Turkey with their own outlines but Turkish/Ottoman background?
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Swizterland demands a warm water port! And a trans-continental railroad! And Alsace-Lorraine!
(I know, you already made that joke with Luxembourg, but...just look at that Europe)
I was kinda hoping for a mega-Samoan Empire.
Not to mention a St Vincent and the Grenadines with nearly all of the Antilles.
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A map I put together for a campaign, based on an old fantasy map of mine - now with borders!
https://www.deviantart.com/inquisition118/art/Calm-before-the-Storm-Gothis-Annum-1325-761611866
https://www.deviantart.com/inquisition118/art/Calm-before-the-Storm-Gothis-Annum-1325-761611866
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