Map Thread XVIII

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I can't seem to find any good 1800's world maps in this thread.

Maybe there are some in the previous threads?
Most of the maps tend to be world ones. Well, at least a quarter. If you are looking for any period in specific I suggest searching the threads for the names of natoinal leaders. Victoria probably won't be helpful, given the use of the name everywhere. Gladstone, Disraeli, etc would work better. Even if the maps have the texts on the images themselves, people often ask questions about them, thus making them searchable.
 

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Marvelous, though Danzig being either independent or Polish would be essential to their economy.

That was mostly just a Polish claim, to lend credibility to irridentism. The truth is, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary all do fine, and those are just some (near-by and thus vaguely comparable) land-locked countries. Poland never needed sea access. No more than Slovakia needs it. It's nice, but it's far from essential. Considering that @AP246 is presenting a Napoleonic POD, I doubt the Poles will be yelling about sea access. Just getting independence was a huge win at that time.
 
Africa is always properly mapped tho, least distortion

Proportionally, though? It's almost the same distance from the farther points Atlantic to Indian as Russia is long, yet never appears so. Just saying, it's underrepresented on almost all maps.
 
That was mostly just a Polish claim, to lend credibility to irridentism. The truth is, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary all do fine, and those are just some (near-by and thus vaguely comparable) land-locked countries. Poland never needed sea access. No more than Slovakia needs it. It's nice, but it's far from essential. Considering that @AP246 is presenting a Napoleonic POD, I doubt the Poles will be yelling about sea access. Just getting independence was a huge win at that time.
Things have changed in a world where most of Europe is a common market. I have also found for the years multiple maps of the Interwar period showing the internationalized rivers in Germany as being dreadful attacks on their sovereignty as though it were disembowling the country. The below map was the quickest I could find. Anyways, we could look to something as simple as Antwerp as an example of what happens when a competitor or hostile nation controls your access to the sea, with the Dutch for decades upon decades keeping ships from going to this port city. Or the wars over the Sounds between the Danes and Swedes, or how Egypt closed the Suez to Israel and tried to do the same with the Gulf of Aqaba. Anyways, Poland exported large quantities of wheat, though they might have lost the land that produced a lot of it. If Prussia can try to, they are going to get a large fee for every bushel that goes through. Not as bad as thigns that were constantly taxed when going through Germany.


http://atlanticsentinel.com/2016/08/what-if-germany-had-won-the-first-world-war/germany-1936-map/
 
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Europe in early 1920, in a still-unnamed timeline I've been fiddling with for a while now.

Translated descriptions:

EUROPE
On the eve of the Kapp-Lüttwitz Putsch

While the traitors to the republic and country gather around Kapp and Lüttwitz, the Hungarian Wars and Italian-Serbian war are losing steam in southwestern Europe. In the East, the collapse of the Bolshevik dictatorship begins, as the so-called "Red Army" begins to break under the continuous assault of an alliance of republican and reactionary forces coming from all sides. In the West, the weakened Entente powers send old war materiel and advisors, while in Germany the anti-republican scum is being coaxed into a "crusade" against the Bolsheviks.

In FINLAND, both republican and soviet rule have fallen in the wake of the civil war. Friedrich Karl von Hessen, a noble who fled Germany, rules as Fredrik Kaarle, King of Finland. His power is based on the Freikorps and Jäger troops in the country, who stand ready for a bloody suppression of any new uprising. In Helsinki, new nobles and officers arrive daily, fleeing the Revolution in Germany or Bolshevik rule.

Along the BALTIC COAST sit the half-formed states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who are bound together in the PREUßENBUND, a reactionary alliance against the Bolsheviks. This alliance is strengthened by the imperialist troops of the North-Western Army, troops from Finland and several Freikorps units. Together with Poland, the Preußenbund is the strongest anti-Bolshevik force in the Russian Civil War.

Further explanation:

The basis of this timeline are changes made in 1917 and 1918 - the French army is in a drastically worse position in 1918, the German one in somewhat better shape, and the Americans are not involved. In Germany, the revolution happens "on schedule", accompanied by a failed Entente offensive; British troops attack, only to find the French side of the attack stymied by large mutinies, forcing them to withdraw when the Germans bring in more reserves than expected.

The revolutionary government in Germany immediately sets to making peace on the basis of "no annexations, no reparations" - also called 'peace without victory', typically by the American press. The first set of armistice negotiations fail, however, with French officials making territorial demands reaching as far east as the Rhine.

When this news is leaked to the French public, the uproar is as tremendous as it is instantaneous - in only days, it becomes clear that the French government has lost its support, with the barely-quelled army mutinies returning as pamphlets calling for strikes against the "bourgeois butchers" in Paris circulate in the trenches.

The peace signed in early 1919 ends the war in the west, bringing the German troops home and allowing for the Austro-Hungarian forces to vacate large areas being ceded to Italy before the Italian occupation begins. It's this occupation that ignites one of the two wars that is beginning to die down when the map is set, in early March of 1920. Italian troops encounter localized resistance when occupying the regions gained from Austria, which only stiffens as they cross into land theoretically owned by the newly-independent Bosnia and Croatia-Slavonia.

In Hungary, the end of the war is unable to bring peace. After a coup, a communist government takes power in Budapest, forming the Soviet Republic of Hungary. Surprisingly, they find broad support among the more conservative members of Hungarian society - but not for their internal policy. Under the new government, the quickly-reforming Hungarian army marches out to secure the borders of the old Kingdom.

Czechoslovakia and Hungary sign an armistice in Vienna, not long after German-Austria unites with Germany, freeing up Hungarian troops to fight their other neighbors. Over the past year, this war has died down, all sides unwilling to give up their claims but more and more unable to press them.

In the east, the new states formed after the withdrawal of German troops have either collapsed into rival governments (in Ukraine, the Hetmanate, Directorate, remnants of the People's Republic and the Soviet Republic all claim to be the only true government) or formed a somewhat shaky alliance against the Bolsheviks. The Preußenbund, or "Prussian League", is nominally under the leadership of Wilhelm of Prussia, grandson of Wilhelm II, though he is careful to present himself as, at most, first among equals.

The still-shaky Prussian League can itself be split into two main groups - the various small states, including Finland, of the north, which are more under Wilhelm's influence due to the large number of German Freikorps troops present (who are, at least in theory, loyal to him alone) and the lack of larger forces of their own. In the south stands Poland, affiliated primarily for the purposes of coordinating military efforts against Bolshevik forces.

Meanwhile, further east, the various White forces of the civil war are finally able to catch their breath and advance again after the Bolshevik offensives of 1919. The Prussian League's advance has forced the Red Army to all but abandon many of their new gains, and the Whites are beginning to return to their previous strength.

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When working on this one, I decided to go for an in-universe author's perspective, rather than an "external" neutral view. The result is a clear stance on some things (for example, what territory is marked as occupied) and the ability to use some fun non-neutral wording such as "anti-republican scum". I was originally intending to make an English version of the map as well, but then I realized doing all the text (including finding archaic German names for some places, like "Wiburg") was a good chunk of work, and got lazy about it.

I've also posted it here.
 
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As a little passion project of mine, I did a little research on Irish Independence and went ahead here and made a series of QBAM patches for the stages of Irish Independence from 1916-1937. Feel free to use them in your maps if you'd like to, I had fun making it.
 
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The United Pacific Socialist States (UPSS), unofficially called the Pacific States, was formed after World War One where workers in Seattle lead to a general revolt against the United States Government. With some support from the USSR and the Germanic Socialist Republic, the UPSS was created.

Political Parties:
Communist Party - Marxist-Leninist, while one of the weaker parties in government, it gets small boosts in elections thanks to vote rigging by KGB agents.
Farmer-Laborer Party - Agrarian Socialists, mostly confined to the more conservative part of the nation.
Republican Party - A weird ideological mix of Karl Marx (Communist) and John C. Frémont (Radical Republicans). The 'conservative' party in the UPSS. It supports a local free-market that is confined to small towns and communities, a more centralized government, and the full equality of all people's under the UPSS government.
 
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Europe in early 1920, in a still-unnamed timeline I've been fiddling with for a while now.


When working on this one, I decided to go for an in-universe author's perspective, rather than an "external" neutral view. The result is a clear stance on some things (for example, what territory is marked as occupied) and the ability to use some fun non-neutral wording such as "anti-republican scum". I was originally intending to make an English version of the map as well, but then I realized doing all the text (including finding archaic German names for some places, like "Wiburg") was a good chunk of work, and got lazy about it.

I've also posted it here.

I am surprise that is a Red Hungary. The OTL the Hungarian Soviet Republic was bitterly unpopular with most of its people and I don't see why it would not be the case here. If anything, Germany would have smash them, or let the Romanians beat them into next week. (Same with Italy.) There won't get any support since the Reds are back against the wall between the Prussian League and the Whites.

France seem ready to go up in smoke any day now.

Everything else looks great, and it is a great map.
 
I am surprise that is a Red Hungary. The OTL the Hungarian Soviet Republic was bitterly unpopular with most of its people and I don't see why it would not be the case here.
The Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919-19) of OTL was in control of most of modern day Hungary, including Budapest. I don't think an unpopular regime would have such success. The Hungarian Communists here have not betrayed their nationalistic allies given their rather extensive claims, so I think it is very plausible for the Republic to have survived.
 
Cross-post from my MOTF entry that I'm proud of!
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the EVOLUTION of the ALBANY PLAN OF UNION into the ALBANY PACT:
In the immediate aftermath of the French-&-Indian War, the British Gov't decided to enact the Plan of Union (as Proposed by Sir Benjamin Franklin, within the Fair City of Albany), creating the Union of the Thirteen States (which over-time evolved into Those Eighteen States that the Nation is named afterwards in the Modern Day). It was Created in the Year of Our Lord, 1764. Soon, however, the Iroquoian League wished to further protection by Britannia's Crown, and so she too joined the Albany Union - however, the Indian state still wished to retain Her Sovereignty, and so the Union became something More Akin to a Pact, and that Pact did indeed prosper, with the Indian Western Confederacy joining in 1770. Following this point, very Few nations joined until the Dawn of the 19th Century: First, of course, Joined the Union of Canada into the Albany Pact (in the Year 1801), and then the Anglo Intervention into the Spanish-American Wars of Liberation began in the early beginnings of the 2nd Decade of the Nineteenth Century (1810s). Tho many Claimed (and many do still Claim) that Britannia's Interference in these Rebellions were to protect the Rights of those Hispanic Peoples, it is altogether Dishonest to say this, for She (Great-Brittania) joined these Wars, in truth, to both Protect others, and Secure land for the Crown. And, following the Resolution of that War, it is true that those Interests were Secure (Britannia Secured Patagonia, Oregon, and Nootka, as well as some Other Regions, like the Antilles): and it was this Antillean Federation that joined the Pact soon After her Inception. She was also Joined by the Vast Country of Louisiana, another prize to the British Crown Won during the War. In the Fourth Decade (1830s), it was Texas who Proclaimed Independence from Mexico, and her who won this some Years following: British Investors took No Time in beginning to Invest in Texian Land and Texian Investments, and soon Texas became a Close Ally of the Crown, and so She Soon joined this Most Powerful Union. Following This, Oregon elevated Herself from a Royal Colony into a Dominion to the Crown, and took the oppurtunity to join the Pact. Of Course, this leads into the Newest "Member" of this Pact Between the North-American States: New Albion. In all Manners of Technicality, New Albion is Not a part of the Pact, but she Is, in manners of Practicality: New Albion is a Colony of the Crown, and while the Crown is not A Part of the Pact, the Colonial Gov't of New Albion has decided, in the Last Decade of the New Millenium (1990s), to Join the Pact. Following This event, the Political Moods of the Pact have swayed considerably, with most-Equal Parts debating Between leaving the British Crown Behind Them, or Continuing with the Status Quo. There has been, as many Attest, calls for Separation between the Crown and the Pact, and the Pact to Centralize into One State, comprised of Many. And it is This Decision, one that America must make in Her own Beliefs, for Her own Benefits, and for Her Future, that will Shape History Accordingly.
 
Cross-post from my MOTF entry that I'm proud of!

And who says pixel maps aren’t as good as vector maps?

In all seriousness, though, it’s a great map. I wish I could do pixel maps like that, but I find them too fiddly and difficult.

I especially like your write up style - it’s both creative and interesting!

Don’t know why I enter these competitions really...
 
And who says pixel maps aren’t as good as vector maps?

In all seriousness, though, it’s a great map. I wish I could do pixel maps like that, but I find them too fiddly and difficult.

I especially like your write up style - it’s both creative and interesting!

Don’t know why I enter these competitions really...
Eh, I've always been more comfortable with pixel maps - I can take more liberties with them and they're easier than Inkscape or somethin'. Thanks for the compliment, your map's nice too! My class is going over Colonial America, so the writing style struck me and I came up with the Albany Pact idea. Trust me, I haven't had the best track record with my maps on the MOTF challenge, either. I usually think of them as a challenge of improving my map-making style, pretty much.
 
The Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919-19) of OTL was in control of most of modern day Hungary, including Budapest. I don't think an unpopular regime would have such success. The Hungarian Communists here have not betrayed their nationalistic allies given their rather extensive claims, so I think it is very plausible for the Republic to have survived.

Eh, maybe. But I feel Hungary will bite off more than they can chew and get kick in hard.
 
Cross-post from my MOTF entry that I'm proud of!

Nice! But I'm afraid I find the size of the native lands a bit over-optimistic: the British in Canada weren't quite as dickish to native Americans as the US was, but they were still pretty bad. [1] (And let's not forget the British Empire were the folks that put Tasmania on the Genocide Hits List. :oops: )

[1] Not to mention that even the saintliest Europeans penetrating the interior will, as OTL, bring whole new waves of devastating disease in the century after 1770whatever.
 
There must be countless First World War timelines and maps, but this is already my favorite hands-down. Maybe because it's so unorthodox and yet so plausible.

Thanks! The original was a bit more limited in scope, but in the course of doing further reading I kept running into interesting things that didn't seem worth making their own map / map series / timelines about, but were brimming with potential. So I just included them whenever they made sense.

I am surprise that is a Red Hungary. The OTL the Hungarian Soviet Republic was bitterly unpopular with most of its people and I don't see why it would not be the case here. If anything, Germany would have smash them, or let the Romanians beat them into next week. (Same with Italy.) There won't get any support since the Reds are back against the wall between the Prussian League and the Whites.

The HSR, from what I've read, was able to keep enough support to function, on the back of "we'll get our lands back!" - IOTL, this promptly fell to pieces after the Slovak Soviet Republic was proclaimed, and the Hungarian Red Army fell to pieces as it was being turned on Romania. Here, Slovakia is being administered as part of Hungary, go the regime retains its admittedly fragile backing. It's far from stable, and the main routes from here are either losing the war entirely, going North Korea or winning, then exploding or being coup'ed into next week anyways.

Germany is not really in a position to mobilize against Hungary; the demobilization of the army is only recently completed, and the pool of volunteers has shrunk drastically due to the movement of the Freikorps to the east, to fight against the Bolsheviks. Despite this, it's something the HSR is rather worried about - the Hungarian-Czechoslovak armistice happens as a result.

France seem ready to go up in smoke any day now.

Definitely. I'm unfortunately not as well-versed in French interwar politics as I'd like to be, but it's something I'm planning on looking into. Interestingly enough, they seem to have had an almost Weimar-esque setup going on for a while, with both republican and anti-republican factions having significant influence.

Everything else looks great, and it is a great map.

Thanks!
 
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An alternate timeline where the Middle East deteriorates into near anarchy after the Iraqi-Saudi War explodes across the region.

The chaos spread until the Iranian and Turkish governments are approached by European Union delegations to reorganize the Middle East under a new mandate system, only this time to include heavy local influence through Iran and Turkey. By 2020 the Persians were ceded lands in what was once Iraq, Kurdistan had been established as an independent nation taking some territory from the Turks after pressure from Iran and promises of new lands in what was once Syria.

Kurdistan, Iran, and Turkey become the policing force in the Fertile Crescent Admin. Zone, which currently is awaiting plebiscites to decide it's future. When these are to take place is anyone's guess. The oil in the region is barred from export until such time that the populace can establish a civilian government to work alongside the policing force.

The Islamic Republic of Mecca was established to include the holy lands of Islam, and it can only be policed by soldiers from the Islamic states in the Coalition, once again predominately Iranian and Turkish.

The Levantine Union was formed between Cyprus and the remnants of the civilian governments in southern Syria, it is a highly decentralized state with the national government being democratic but choosing to look the other way in terms of local affairs so long as human rights laws are followed. Whether this state will centralize in the future or remain a disjointed confederation is anyone's guess. There are options for a referendum in the future on joining the Federated Republic of Arabia or Turkey.

The F.R. of Arabia was occupied by primarily European Union and a token amount of Russian forces, most of which have moved to a police force footing as the region calmed down. In order to create a stable economy and promote its chances for survival and future growth, solar farms in the regions extensive deserts are being constructed on a colossal scale. Other public works such as railways, roads, hospitals, and public schools for grades 1-12 are well underway, helping to heal the damage in Yemen and the other war-torn areas in the region. Coalition forces are set to begin handing some local affairs back to the people of the region in 10 years, with full independence in 30 should it meet the requirements. A civilian government does exist, maintaining a limited police force trained by the Coalition and using national referendums to decide how much oil should be exported or if at all. This was due to a pre-intervention agreement to avoid gaining the image of conquerors and to keep the region on a path towards stability.

Israel was used as a jumping off point for the Coalition in coordination with the Turkish and Iranians at the start of the intervention. In order to secure Israeli approval for the annexation of former Iraqi lands into Iran, the member states voted to approve its annexation of the Gaza strip and other disputed territories, as well as additional lands occupied during the early and bloodiest part of the conflict. While the eastern zone is officially designated for a province of Palestine, most Palestinians refused to move there and were deported to Arabia during the same early parts of the conflict that saw their lands annexed.

TLDR: I got bored in HOI4 and decided to make a map.
 
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