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Following a generic Central Powers victory in World War 1, this scenario occurs.

So there never was a Soviet Union in this TL? What sort of state came into being post-war, and when was it replaced by the Second Republic? (If it took a revolution to establish the Second Republic, presumably the First One didn't last).

When and how did France becoming a monarchy again, and when did that end?

Why did the UK join the German block?

When did the US have its revolution, and what was it about? What is the US like now?

How come they couldn't reconquer California? As someone talking re current Calexit rumors pointed out, cut off the water coming from out of state and south California is screwed.
 
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Just an alternative territorial evolution of the United States if Roosevelt chose Long as his Vice President in '36 like he had thought about and is assassinated about a year into his first term by a hardline right-winger. Long becomes POTUS and is even more hands-on and semi-socialist in his efforts to fix the Great Depression. This leads to more polarization between right and left in America politics, meaning that Long is defeated for his third term run by Lindbergh, the leader of the America First Party. (They're not Nazis, but instead hardline populist authoritarians that serve as the right-wing alternative to Long.)

Lindbergh is in office with the co-founder of the America First Party, Smith, by his side, until Smith proves immensely unpopular and Lindbergh replaces him with up-and-comer rabid anti-Longite McCarthy. He and McCarthy reign for an extremely long time, proving immensely popular with the American people as they lead the charge against the Japanese and British in WWII. The United States comes out of WWII victorious, but impoverished and with rising Communist and Longite "rabble-rousers" Eventually, Wainwright and MacArthur, the leading generals of WWII, declare a coup, and the African Army and Civilian Resistance Army, one from pent-up racial injustice and the other as a patriot defense front rallying around the rightful President, fight back.

First, the African Army is placated with their own state after proving not only adept guerilla fighters distracting from the main front, but also accomplished terrorists reducing civilian morale. But, one of their leaders, upset with the non-Communist nature of the new state as per restrictions placed on it by the USA and international community, leads an organized Communist rebellion (more of the anarchist flavor) in the Northeast, which has grown to loathe the coup government for conscripting their soldiers. The Communists are also placated with Michigan and some of Wisconsin, the largest areas of Communist support, which also just so happen to be mostly rubble and burned farms after both WWII against the British/Canada and the Communist uprising. The Lindberghites are destroyed after Lindbergh, at this point positively ancient, finally dies of heart complications while travelling, and the states which rebelled in his name become "Occupied Territories" as Wainwright and MacArthur cement their Longite rule under their new one-party state, under their "Democratic-Republican New Union Party."

In 1989, after several reforms to a government more like modern-day Russia, the Newstate Referendum is held to grant states that vote "Yes" for themselves to gain independence, fully apart from the USA, as separatist revolts and riots had been crippling the USA, especially on the West Coast, New England, and in the still-minority-Lindberghite South. In 2009, in a separate referendum, the states that comprise Texas and Oklahoma gain independence and become a minor oil-exporting banana republic. In 2046, the dissolution was completed by a forced dissolution on the part of the resurgent Chinese, with some new independent states like Florida and the LSA and some territories given to existing states, like Arizonato the PSA and Louisiana to New Africa. Additionally, to protect the world economy, all of North America was unified under the Trans-American Economic Partnership (TAEP.)
 
We're all looking at Catalonia right now but I think Kurdistan definitely deserves the red line to separate them from Iraq these days as they have declared independence too and are fighting with Iraq now. Also the area controlled by ISIS should be updated.
This from the BBC as of one week ago:
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That's much less then they are shown as on that map.

It's like music for the eyes...
 
This is a nicely done map, but I'm not too sure what to think about the scenario itself. Some critiques:

1.)I'm not quite convinced *Austria-Hungary, regardless of the name, can plausibly survive to the present day in anything even partly resembling it's old form, with a POD in 1916. That country was already having a lot of problems as it was.

2.)Same for the Ottoman Empire, too, and perhaps even more so.

3.)Can't see Korea staying as part of core Japanese territory to 2018, either; maybe as a puppet state? Same applies to Taiwan/Formosa as well.

4.)I'm not even sure Germany could necessarily plausibly stay Imperial with a POD in 1916, regardless of a Central Powers victory, without something a bit on the drastic side. Maybe some widespread reforms of some kind happened later on?

5.)Also, what in the heck happened to the U.S.? And Australia + N.Z., for that matter?

6.)How did "Yugorussia" come about, exactly?

7.)And what happened to the Baltic States? Not necessarily implausible or anything, just curious as to how this happened.

But, on the other hand......

1.)Nice to see South African apartheid ending earlier, for sure.

2.)Too bad about Rhodesia seemingly being a North Korea-like state, but it's definitely believable, though. (Also reminds me of a similar idea I had for a TL in the works)

3.)Not too often we see maps with a thriving *Afghanistan, so that's a nice touch.

4.)Also nice to see that most of Africa is independent-it does get kinda boring seeing so many maps with surviving colonialism, you know?

5.)United Ireland! :cool:

So, yeah, while there are some questionable aspects.....to be quite fair, this may not necessarily be far off from OTL, anyway. And you did a good job of making this interesting, regardless. :)

Well, to address your critiques:

1. Imagine the European Union as it is now, except the rest of the world considers it one country. That's basically the United States of Greater Austria. Each separate area retains a great deal of autonomy, and they'd probably all be better off as separate countries, but this is the way it's been for several decades and they've gotten kind of used to it. Germany also helped to prop it up, and German troops were even occupying parts of the Balkans during the 1930s, but everything turned out somewhat okay in the end.

2. Okay, I admit I did that just because I like surviving Ottoman Empires far too much for my own good.

3. A combination of forceful cultural assimilation, a fair amount of Japanese settlers, and the fact that Japan allows them autonomy under the new, less authoritarian, regime has ended independence movements. That, and the fact that most of the pro-independence movements were viciously eradicated during the days of the old empire.

4. Germany's an empire only in name, and its system of government is more along the lines of OTL Britain. I should have probably put that in its footnote instead of a generic description of their dominance over Europe.

5. In the United States, there was a military coup in 2001 that led to the establishment of an authoritarian government. Naturally, the people wouldn't stand for this, and so they revolted. There was a bit of a three-sided civil war with the military fighting the people that wanted to restore the republic while various areas tried to split off and appealed for entry into various international blocs for protection. The end result was the American Federation, a more centralized, somewhat isolationist state with socialist tendencies, and the various regions that broke away. As for Australia and New Zealand, I don't really recall my reasoning, I just wanted to do something interesting with the continent.

6. There was some ethnic reshuffling under the various Russian governments before the establishment of the Second Republic, and for some reason many of them were sent to the southern parts of the Caucasus. Germany saw an opportunity to weaken Russia, and... well, let's just say that not everyone in Yugorussia was initially willing to enter the German sphere.

7. I took inspiration from the map on the Wikipedia page for the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and altered some things from there.

And thank you for your compliments! I did my best to not make this a typical CP Victory scenario, and in this case that meant making a timeline that wasn't necessarily worse nor better than ours, though different.

So there never was a Soviet Union in this TL? What sort of state came into being post-war, and when was it replaced by the Second Republic? (If it took a revolution to establish the Second Republic, presumably the First One didn't last).

When and how did France becoming a monarchy again, and when did that end?

Why did the UK join the German block?

When did the US have its revolution, and what was it about? What is the US like now?

How come they couldn't reconquer California? As someone talking re current Calexit rumors pointed out, cut off the water coming from out of state and south California is screwed.

There was no Soviet Union, no, and the First Republic didn't last. Imperial Russia managed to put down the revolutions and survived into the mid-20s, at which point there was another revolution that established a genuine republic. It collapsed after a few years, at which point the farther-right elements of the government established a fascist state. It collapsed due to internal issues, leading to the establishment of the Second Russian Republic.

France had a bloodless revolution in the 40s that led to a monarchy being reinstated under *Action Francaise. It took about a decade for the people to begin agitating for the republic to be reformed, and they ended up driving out the king and his supporters from the mainland. The situation nowadays is kind of like the current one with China and Taiwan, except they're both about the same nowadays in terms of morality and how many countries want to see them recognized by everyone as the "real France."

Though there were initially revanchist sentiments towards Germany, realpolitik led to the UK joining their sphere in the 30s.

There was a military coup in 2001 that led to the establishment of an authoritarian government and then a civil war. Nowadays, the American Federation is more isolationist, preferring to keep its sphere of influence to the Americas (Ireland being an exception), and it is more centralized, with the states having less jurisdiction over their internal affairs. Politically, the Federation leans left of center on most issues, excluding drug control. The military is closely monitored to ensure that another coup can't happen, and the number of cameras in the capital make it look like something out of 1984. This doesn't mean, of course, that individual citizens are monitored, but the streets and government buildings are watched with a near-religious fervor. The House of Representatives was abolished with the revision of the constitution, presidents can't be reelected at all, and there are strict term limits on all government positions save the Supreme Court. The standard of living is pretty similar to OTL America.

California was left alone thanks to its promise to still stay within the American bloc post-war and the cession of Jefferson. This was enough for the new Federation, which was more concerned with internal affairs and had already allowed areas like Cuba, Panama, and Puerto Rico to secede with similar arrangements. Jefferson was a bit like OTL Northern Ireland for a few years after the civil war, but that cleared up after the Californian president condemned the actions of the so-called "Californian Union Army."
 
Well, to address your critiques:

1. Imagine the European Union as it is now, except the rest of the world considers it one country. That's basically the United States of Greater Austria. Each separate area retains a great deal of autonomy, and they'd probably all be better off as separate countries, but this is the way it's been for several decades and they've gotten kind of used to it. Germany also helped to prop it up, and German troops were even occupying parts of the Balkans during the 1930s, but everything turned out somewhat okay in the end.

Ah, I see. This makes more sense than what I'd initially thought.

2. Okay, I admit I did that just because I like surviving Ottoman Empires far too much for my own good.

That's fair, I suppose.

3. A combination of forceful cultural assimilation, a fair amount of Japanese settlers, and the fact that Japan allows them autonomy under the new, less authoritarian, regime has ended independence movements. That, and the fact that most of the pro-independence movements were viciously eradicated during the days of the old empire.

I think the bold makes some sense, yes.

4. Germany's an empire only in name, and its system of government is more along the lines of OTL Britain. I should have probably put that in its footnote instead of a generic description of their dominance over Europe.

Okay, and this seems to be close to what I was thinking earlier.

5. In the United States, there was a military coup in 2001 that led to the establishment of an authoritarian government. Naturally, the people wouldn't stand for this, and so they revolted. There was a bit of a three-sided civil war with the military fighting the people that wanted to restore the republic while various areas tried to split off and appealed for entry into various international blocs for protection. The end result was the American Federation, a more centralized, somewhat isolationist state with socialist tendencies, and the various regions that broke away. As for Australia and New Zealand, I don't really recall my reasoning, I just wanted to do something interesting with the continent.

I am interested to see how this came about, TBH.

6. There was some ethnic reshuffling under the various Russian governments before the establishment of the Second Republic, and for some reason many of them were sent to the southern parts of the Caucasus. Germany saw an opportunity to weaken Russia, and... well, let's just say that not everyone in Yugorussia was initially willing to enter the German sphere.

Well, it is interesting, I guess. Very rarely you see something like that for sure.

7. I took inspiration from the map on the Wikipedia page for the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and altered some things from there.

Ah, there we go. Thanks for clarifying this.

And thank you for your compliments! I did my best to not make this a typical CP Victory scenario, and in this case that meant making a timeline that wasn't necessarily worse nor better than ours, though different.

I had a feeling, and I think you did a fairly decent job achieving that goal.
 

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Here's a barely comprehensible work-in-progress: all of the grey parts just aren't done, but it's a big enough job, I can't wait until it's done to start smearing it around...

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The Commonwealth of New Columbia (20/60 provinces demarcated)

For information on the entire project, this is probably the most helpful place to go! New Columbia is a drawn-from-scratch trilingual North American superpower, designed to be largely familiar, but with a variety of proud traditions all to itself (the same way that Canada is just a shoddy alternate version of the United States). The first version of the map was completed last year (helpfully laid underneath, at 20% opacity): this is the second version, which I hope will be a lot better.

Provinces are coloured based on their linguistic makeup: Spanish is yellow, English is red, and French is blue. After 226 years of independence, there's a lot of overlap, as you can probably tell: the federal government tries its absolute hardest to encourage everybody to learn all three, but only in the national capital do trilinguals form an absolute majority. C'est la vida!

The place names are all designed to be as plausibly evocative as possible, trying to avoid the simple trap of just naming everything New [$EURO_PLACE]. The rest will take a lot more effort yet!
 
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Just an alternative territorial evolution of the United States if Roosevelt chose Long as his Vice President in '36 like he had thought about and is assassinated about a year into his first term by a hardline right-winger. Long becomes POTUS and is even more hands-on and semi-socialist in his efforts to fix the Great Depression. This leads to more polarization between right and left in America politics, meaning that Long is defeated for his third term run by Lindbergh, the leader of the America First Party. (They're not Nazis, but instead hardline populist authoritarians that serve as the right-wing alternative to Long.)

Lindbergh is in office with the co-founder of the America First Party, Smith, by his side, until Smith proves immensely unpopular and Lindbergh replaces him with up-and-comer rabid anti-Longite McCarthy. He and McCarthy reign for an extremely long time, proving immensely popular with the American people as they lead the charge against the Japanese and British in WWII. The United States comes out of WWII victorious, but impoverished and with rising Communist and Longite "rabble-rousers" Eventually, Wainwright and MacArthur, the leading generals of WWII, declare a coup, and the African Army and Civilian Resistance Army, one from pent-up racial injustice and the other as a patriot defense front rallying around the rightful President, fight back.

First, the African Army is placated with their own state after proving not only adept guerilla fighters distracting from the main front, but also accomplished terrorists reducing civilian morale. But, one of their leaders, upset with the non-Communist nature of the new state as per restrictions placed on it by the USA and international community, leads an organized Communist rebellion (more of the anarchist flavor) in the Northeast, which has grown to loathe the coup government for conscripting their soldiers. The Communists are also placated with Michigan and some of Wisconsin, the largest areas of Communist support, which also just so happen to be mostly rubble and burned farms after both WWII against the British/Canada and the Communist uprising. The Lindberghites are destroyed after Lindbergh, at this point positively ancient, finally dies of heart complications while travelling, and the states which rebelled in his name become "Occupied Territories" as Wainwright and MacArthur cement their Longite rule under their new one-party state, under their "Democratic-Republican New Union Party."

In 1989, after several reforms to a government more like modern-day Russia, the Newstate Referendum is held to grant states that vote "Yes" for themselves to gain independence, fully apart from the USA, as separatist revolts and riots had been crippling the USA, especially on the West Coast, New England, and in the still-minority-Lindberghite South. In 2009, in a separate referendum, the states that comprise Texas and Oklahoma gain independence and become a minor oil-exporting banana republic. In 2046, the dissolution was completed by a forced dissolution on the part of the resurgent Chinese, with some new independent states like Florida and the LSA and some territories given to existing states, like Arizonato the PSA and Louisiana to New Africa. Additionally, to protect the world economy, all of North America was unified under the Trans-American Economic Partnership (TAEP.)

Was China People's Republic?
 
Here's a barely comprehensible work-in-progress: all of the grey parts just aren't done, but it's a big enough job, I can't wait until it's done to start smearing it around...

The Commonwealth of New Columbia (20/60 provinces demarcated)

For information on the entire project, this is probably the most helpful place to go! New Columbia is a drawn-from-scratch trilingual North American superpower, designed to be largely familiar, but with a variety of proud traditions all to itself (the same way that Canada is just a shoddy alternate version of the United States). The first version of the map was completed last year (helpfully laid underneath, at 20% opacity): this is the second version, which I hope will be a lot better.

Provinces are coloured based on their linguistic makeup: Spanish is yellow, English is red, and French is blue. After 226 years of independence, there's a lot of overlap, as you can probably tell: the federal government tries its absolute hardest to encourage everybody to learn all three, but only in the national capital do trilinguals form an absolute majority. C'est la vida!

The place names are all designed to be as plausibly evocative as possible, trying to avoid the simple trap of just naming everything New [$EURO_PLACE]. The rest will take a lot more effort yet!
Damn it, SIX great lakes. And given their names, gonna be a lot harder to remember than when they were HOMES.
 
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Just an alternative territorial evolution of the United States if Roosevelt chose Long as his Vice President in '36 like he had thought about and is assassinated about a year into his first term by a hardline right-winger. Long becomes POTUS and is even more hands-on and semi-socialist in his efforts to fix the Great Depression. This leads to more polarization between right and left in America politics, meaning that Long is defeated for his third term run by Lindbergh, the leader of the America First Party. (They're not Nazis, but instead hardline populist authoritarians that serve as the right-wing alternative to Long.)

Lindbergh is in office with the co-founder of the America First Party, Smith, by his side, until Smith proves immensely unpopular and Lindbergh replaces him with up-and-comer rabid anti-Longite McCarthy. He and McCarthy reign for an extremely long time, proving immensely popular with the American people as they lead the charge against the Japanese and British in WWII. The United States comes out of WWII victorious, but impoverished and with rising Communist and Longite "rabble-rousers" Eventually, Wainwright and MacArthur, the leading generals of WWII, declare a coup, and the African Army and Civilian Resistance Army, one from pent-up racial injustice and the other as a patriot defense front rallying around the rightful President, fight back.

First, the African Army is placated with their own state after proving not only adept guerilla fighters distracting from the main front, but also accomplished terrorists reducing civilian morale. But, one of their leaders, upset with the non-Communist nature of the new state as per restrictions placed on it by the USA and international community, leads an organized Communist rebellion (more of the anarchist flavor) in the Northeast, which has grown to loathe the coup government for conscripting their soldiers. The Communists are also placated with Michigan and some of Wisconsin, the largest areas of Communist support, which also just so happen to be mostly rubble and burned farms after both WWII against the British/Canada and the Communist uprising. The Lindberghites are destroyed after Lindbergh, at this point positively ancient, finally dies of heart complications while travelling, and the states which rebelled in his name become "Occupied Territories" as Wainwright and MacArthur cement their Longite rule under their new one-party state, under their "Democratic-Republican New Union Party."

In 1989, after several reforms to a government more like modern-day Russia, the Newstate Referendum is held to grant states that vote "Yes" for themselves to gain independence, fully apart from the USA, as separatist revolts and riots had been crippling the USA, especially on the West Coast, New England, and in the still-minority-Lindberghite South. In 2009, in a separate referendum, the states that comprise Texas and Oklahoma gain independence and become a minor oil-exporting banana republic. In 2046, the dissolution was completed by a forced dissolution on the part of the resurgent Chinese, with some new independent states like Florida and the LSA and some territories given to existing states, like Arizonato the PSA and Louisiana to New Africa. Additionally, to protect the world economy, all of North America was unified under the Trans-American Economic Partnership (TAEP.)

This is almost too up my street.
 

Gian

Banned
Here's a barely comprehensible work-in-progress: all of the grey parts just aren't done, but it's a big enough job, I can't wait until it's done to start smearing it around...

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The Commonwealth of New Columbia (20/60 provinces demarcated)

For information on the entire project, this is probably the most helpful place to go! New Columbia is a drawn-from-scratch trilingual North American superpower, designed to be largely familiar, but with a variety of proud traditions all to itself (the same way that Canada is just a shoddy alternate version of the United States). The first version of the map was completed last year (helpfully laid underneath, at 20% opacity): this is the second version, which I hope will be a lot better.

Provinces are coloured based on their linguistic makeup: Spanish is yellow, English is red, and French is blue. After 226 years of independence, there's a lot of overlap, as you can probably tell: the federal government tries its absolute hardest to encourage everybody to learn all three, but only in the national capital do trilinguals form an absolute majority. C'est la vida!

The place names are all designed to be as plausibly evocative as possible, trying to avoid the simple trap of just naming everything New [$EURO_PLACE]. The rest will take a lot more effort yet!

Why don't you also add bits and pieces of Mexico as well (ie Baja peninsula, Sonora, Sinaloa, the Rio Grande states etc.)
 
Was China People's Republic?
No, it's an authoritarian Chinese "Republic" originally backed by the Americans during and after WWII, but soon forgotten when internal matters proved more pressing. It developed into a hardline dictatorship, and is more like Qing China than either OTL's RoC or PRC, just with far different rhetorical icing on the facism cake.

However, a Stalinist-Longite faction is growing as they slowly democratize under pressure from the democratic alliances of the European Defense Effort and Co-Pacific Partnership.
 
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We're all looking at Catalonia right now but I think Kurdistan definitely deserves the red line to separate them from Iraq these days as they have declared independence too and are fighting with Iraq now. Also the area controlled by ISIS should be updated.
This from the BBC as of one week ago:
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That's much less then they are shown as on that map.
Finally, soon it's dead.
 
Here's a barely comprehensible work-in-progress: all of the grey parts just aren't done, but it's a big enough job, I can't wait until it's done to start smearing it around...
Whats the story behind those wacky coastlines? it looks different from a traditional sea level rise base-map.
 
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REPORT ON INDIRA-GANGEA 25 YEARS AFTER FIRST COLONIZATION

COLONIES AND ABORIGINALS
The colonization of INDIRA-GANGEA progresses apace.
The original partner companies of OIL.TECH and GEM.CO have been joined by MIN.COMB.
Sub-Con Indira has been successfully assimilated and secondary colonies have been established along the fringes of the Indira Ocean.
The ColCap City of Varanesi has been built on the banks of the Gangea River.
Integration of the Aboriginal peoples have been successful in Sub-Con Indira although some 35% of the Aboriginal population have been re-located to the Indira Rim Colonies and 17% provided as a workforce to our partner companies. A projected 26% of the Aboriginal population will be available for proposed projects in the Twin Western-Cons.

DEVELOPMENT AREAS
Bids have been received on all resource areas and, although bidding still continues, several of these stand head and shoulders above the others. Additional enquiries have been taken on areas outside the original allocation and are being considered.

Colonial proposals to harness the Medicinal and Specialist Wood potential of Brasilia in the form of a Commercial National Park are on the table. The rich market for quality hardwoods and the Medicinal qualities of plants extinct on Earth Dominant are to be exploited whilst maintaining the rainforest for the health of the planet.

OIL.TECH lands are returning to full productivity, repairing the damage of the previous century under Nomad control and beginning the reversal of the encroachment of arid lands.

NATIVE LANDS
Song Chinea has accepted the overlordship, albeit with poor grace, of the Indira-Gangea government after the destruction of their fleet sent to garner obeisance from the Aboriginal peoples we now rule.
Similarly, Mamluk Egypta has accepted our control in return for assistance against their traditional enemies the Osmanir Empire.
A military frontier has been set up although the Osmanir principal weapon, a bronze gunpowder cannon, can only be fired once every 40-50 minutes [mainly because it has to be unscrewed after every firing!].

Contact with the Native governments of Europa has been kept to a minimum and they are not aware of our plans for this world or the extent of our domains.
The Natives of the Twin Western-Cons are not even aware we exist yet but plans to exploit their expectations of a "return of the Gods" from the East are in place for when bids are finalized for their resource areas.

PROJECTIONS
In another 25 years control of the Western and Southern rims of the Pacifica Great Ocean should be well under way and the first penetration into Europa, via the lands of Mockba, should be nearing completion.

The establishment of Naval and Aero forward bases on islands in the Carribea and Atlanta Oceans to prevent predicted Europan expansion is in its planning stages but expected to be in place in 5-10 years.

REVERSALS
The rebellion of the lands under OIL.TECH [formerly known as Persea] was put down but not without some surprises. Hi-Tech weaponry was used against us and at first it was thought some Dominants were involved but, it turns out, the DNA-Lock weapons we use will still operate if the owner’s skin is stripped, tanned and made into crude gloves. Earth Dominant ARMS.CORP seems to have solved this and provided a software upgrade at cost.

Lastly, the Kongo River area has been pacified finally after the importation of troops from OIL.TECH's self-governing Kurdish states.

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fashbasher

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A worst case scenario in which the Catalan crisis becomes a continent-wide left-right power struggle as right-wingers support Madrid and left-wingers support Barcelona (although of course far-leftists and far-rightists sometimes fight each other). The EU exists on paper only because so much of the continent is in low-intensity warfare (death toll is somehow below 10,000 by June 2019 in spite of how ugly this map is). It's mainly a guerrilla and street thug conflict with areas of Ukraine-like fighting, not an actual Syria-like all-out war. Lisbon, Munich or Stockholm are basically normal aside from increased security, a paucity of tourists, and occasional shortages of imported goods, while London, Liverpool, and Helsinki do have an increased frequency of terrorist attacks (think the Troubles) but still have reasonably functional city governments. Note that the dark red area in Portugal is de facto aligned to the government in Lisbon but reflects the strong support for Communists in the Alentejo (once right-wing terrorists began marching down the Douro, Portugal granted self-governance to that famously leftist region in exchange for it turning its vineyards and cork farms over to the production of food).
 
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