Map Thread XIX

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by water123, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. TheKutKu Well-Known Member

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    Uhhh, do you realise that the 3 millions of Afrikaners today are descendant of roughly 20,000 Dutch speaking whites who lived there when the brits took the colony over?

    Alright admittedly, the population in the Theresian colony will be significantly more urban than Boers, so will have a lower growth, however the large number of migrants and the fact that it’s going to be the main valve for emigration the Austrian empire means it’s likely to have a lot of settlers, many will go back once the rush is over, but more than enough will stay, in the end an european descended population comparable to our Australia is more than plausible, considering the similar timeframes.

    South Africa is mostly tropical diseases free, except in Natal, the climate is very healthy for extensive farming, IRL the inability of the Khoisan to fight back first allowed the Dutch to expend within the cape colony, and then the Mfecane which depopulated the free state/Transvaal, there, it’s their sheer number (several times larger than the Boers were at the time, gold rush attracted a LOT of people in these times), along with actually being supported by Austrian colonial forces for peacekeeping, Austrians who wanted to make sure they control their only colony.

    There’s a reason South Africa has been white settled IRL, there is a reason why it’s often used in AH as a Foreign entryway for settler colonialism, it’s because it disease free, large, at a strategical location, and has lots of land adapted to European agricultural package.
     
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  2. PauL62 Well-Known Member

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    Corrected, I put SA instead.
     
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  3. Pexa Well-Known Member

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    :angel::angel:
     
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  4. BrobDingnag Well-Known Member

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    I know, right? America’s not nearly large enough.
     
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  5. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    Ireland supported France because at the time they both hated England, not because they were both Catholic.
     
  6. Hindustani Person Gussie Fink-Nottle

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    Naughty man
     
  7. Gwrtheyrn Annwn A Welshman at Heart

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    For Africa, maybe consider the borders of native states and geographic features rather than just drawing random lines?
     
  8. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    Random lines is literally what the European colonists drew, disregarding native lines. The Irish could care no less for the natives than the English.
     
  9. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

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    NO. IT. WAS. NOT.

    The European Powers at the Berlin Conference divided up lands based on their economic potential and historical claims, and used dozens of natural landmarks as borders. For instance, the Kongo Basin being taken by Belgium for its rubber production, or Egypt by Britain for its cotton-growing climate, or the Rio Rovuma being used as the northern border of Portuguese Mozambique. There are countless other (and better) examples. The Europeans may not have cared about the natives, but they sure as hell didn't sit down, shut their eyes, and draw random lines on a map of Africa. (Which I'm pretty sure is what you did with that misshapen South Africa.)
     
  10. Gwrtheyrn Annwn A Welshman at Heart

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    Not quite, no. The European borders did follow preexisting boundaries, if only in terms of when they conquered a native state those were then their borders. Not only that but they weren't as 'random' as one might think. By necessity they often followed natural borders (rivers and mountains being big ones), its only in the deserts and impassable jungle that that you get the 'straight lines drawn on a map'. With all due respect, the borders on your map are arbitrary for the sake of being arbitrary which does nobody any favours, including the Irish.

    Edit: Ninja'd XD
     
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  11. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    I've been criticized for drawing straight lines in the past. Not doing that again.
     
  12. Vylinius Long Ranting Intensifies

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    What's to be learned from present critiques of your work is that the lines that exist on a map should have a reason for their existence. Borders, even when drawn arbitrarily and irregardless of any natural borders or what's going on at the ground level between the peoples that live there, have a rational behind them. You don't have to draw your borders perfectly, but you should have a reason for why your borders are what they are. The Borders like the rest of your map should have a history to them.
     
  13. Railmotive Friendly, law abiding citizen who should post more

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    Who owns the us? I believe the Germany owns the Northeast and Midwest whilst France owns the south but who owns the west coast?
     
  14. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    US fails to pay debts to France, Germany, and Italy after it mistreats, exploits, and disenfranchises French, German, and Italian immigrants. In the Treaty of St. Louis, US is split between France (Southeast), Germany (Northeast), and Italy (West).
     
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  15. Oxander Stepping Lightly

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    Um. Wut?
     
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  16. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    United States falls to neocolonialism and doesn't industrialize as fast.
     
  17. Oxander Stepping Lightly

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    So... they're exact in every way, but not?
     
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  18. Baconheimer Berserker of Chaos

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    Wow. That's so obvious now.

    Well kids, this is why you don't trawl the Map Thread late at night.
     
  19. Blacklister3000 Libertarian of sorts

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    United States dealt with numerous challenges as an ex-colonial state in its early years (War of 1812, Mexican War, Civil War, dependence on Europe). I’m saying that US still accomplished manifest destiny but fell to lower and middle class revolutions and turmoil after Reconstruction.
     
  20. Osk Eu set di la Oskaña

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    From the UARverse

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