YES, those two were what I was looking for! I didn't knew the original maps though, very impressive work!
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YES, those two were what I was looking for! I didn't knew the original maps though, very impressive work!
The Soviet Union is a shadow of it's former self, as Hitler put it "A truly Asian nation". The Treaty of Moscow basically forced the USSR to recognize all of Germany's Eastern conquests, and set out a long list of reparations that the USSR must pay every year including money, raw materials, oil/fuel and "Volunteer laborers" (often political dissidents who oppose Molotov). Siberia is basically lawless, the only thing stopping outright civil war is the united hatred of the Reich, but life is very hard across most of the country. Only around Vladivostok are things slightly better (thanks to aid coming from the US).
The Commonwealth is a far more united political force in this world, the specter of the Reich being ever present. With Britain cut off from the European markets Canada, Australia and New Zealand (and India a bit later) have picked up the slack leading to the "Commonwealth free trade zone". The Republic of India is more stable in this timeline, thanks to heavy investment by both Britain and the US following the fall of the USSR. It became a second major industrial center for the Allies who were preparing for the long slog with the Reich. It still has issues of course relating to Muslims and it's caste system, but it is much wealthier and was admitted into the Allied nuclear program in the 1957, so it feels it is on more of an equal footing.
China meanwhile is a strange beast, who with the help of the United States removed the Japanese from the mainland and assisted in the tough slog to liberate Manchuria. The Asian theater officially ended in 1946 with the American occupation of Korea, which has been united under a pro-American government and is doing quite well for itself. Following the removal of the Japanese, the Chinese civil war restarted almost immediately, but with the USSR in disarray and the United States more involved in China, the Nationalists were able to defeat Mao and his communists. Despite this, China is a fair weather ally who is deeply corrupt, and is at odds with the USSR over numerous territorial disputes.
Japan is basically a third world country in this TL. Without the threat of Communist invasion and the Atomic bombs, the Japanese went down kicking and screaming. Millions in Japan died of famine and disease inflicted by the Allied blockade (a point that the Reich loudly trumpets in it's propaganda) before the Emperor finally surrendered in 1946. The widespread death and destruction wrought upon Japan was part of the reason why the Allied public became reluctant to invade the Reich and part of the reasoning why the Allies didn't unleash atomic hell-fire across Europe. Japan remains under American occupation and the Emperor is a figurehead of the Allied appointed government.
Africa is also very different, with decolonization going ahead much quicker with the collapse of the various European Imperial powers. Free France has been losing a long battle with it's African subjects, West Africa throwing off the yoke in the and uniting against European colonialism. The Reich attempted to make overtures to West Africa, but they were sharply rebuked by the West Africans who sees Germany as nothing more than another Imperial aggressor. The Central African Republic broke away around the same time as West Africa and is the site of a strange brand of African communism. The Congo is meanwhile engaged in a three way conflict between the colonial government and two independence movements in the West and in Katanga.
All is not doom and gloom for Africa however, as the British were lucky to learn from hard lessons taught to the French and as result, London has settled for a hands off sort of colonialism. Instead of outright ruling many territories it has settled for establishing stable, pro-British governments in it's former colonies. Also Smut's government won out narrowly over the National Party in South Africa, following an exposed correspondence between Malan and the Reich. The Netherlands in 1945 was the site of another harsh famine, the details of which managed to escape to the world, damaging the reputation of the Reich in the Afrikaner population. Despite this, the victory was of the United Party was extremely close and although Apartheid is never implemented, race relations remain poor.
The East African Federation meanwhile is something of a success story, the the Federation being formed following the collapse of French authority in West Africa. Like India is benefits from significant economic investment by the Allies and remains quite close to the Commonwealth. Nigeria is a similar story, standing in stark contrast to the chaos to the North. However, this policy did not work out everywhere, Egypt being the most notable exception where King Faraq was overthrown in 1952 by Nasser and the Free Officers Movement (armed with a suspicious amount of STG-44's). The conflict raged for almost a year, but in the end the British settled for controlling Suez, which remains has been transformed into a fortress that rival Gibraltar or Singapore. The former Italian colonies in Ethiopia and Somalia were granted independence and is the site of conflict between tribal and ethnic groups.
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Why didn't someone post a map of cannabis growing operations around the world on the last page? 
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Why didn't someone post a map of cannabis growing operations around the world on the last page?
Because it's actually quite an obscure bit of slang to anyone who doesn't themselves take drugs and it's not really all that whitty?
I'm pretty sure that Quisling's and Mussert's maps are tied for the privilege of "most likely to get someone laughed off of AH.net," but I think Quisling's still wins, if for no other reason than the fact that Quisling was the one who actually went out and fought his own country to bring about his idea.
At least Spain could in theory had the population to rule the land it asked for, though at the cost of a probable resurgence in the Civil War, and also having to be propped up by Germany until it got it's affairs in order.
Inspired by an old map by Miserism (I say inspired because I changed quite a bit, and I misunderstood something in his description and by the time I figured it out I had got too much done to take the effort to change it. )
It's a new era.
In this world, the Caliphate of Cordova never fell, and indeed at its height held a big chunk of southern France, most of North Africa west of Egypt, bits of Italy, and colonized the bulk of the New World. Mosques in Cordova and Granada gleamed with the gold and silver of the new world, while in the cold lands to the northeast, the precarious united lands of the heirs of Charlemagne struggled to hold off Jihad while keeping the eastern bits of their empire from calving off.
Time has done its thing, and the great Cordovan empire has crumbled. A scientific revolution was born in the Islamic world, but without modern industry progress has stalled. Instead, it is now the coal-and-iron-and water rich Karlian empire, although with it's often rebellious Angeleland mini-me, which is seeing the world's most rapid technological progress, and Islam (and to a lesser extent, the Greek Orthodox lands) must scramble to catch up.
New ships powered by steam as well as sail cross the Oceans, new factories draw serfs from the land, and some are experimenting with self-propelled steam machines on metal rails. It is an age of wider exploration, of new colonial enterprises, of boundless new possibilities (as well as new forms of exploitation). Although Australia and much of South America and inner Asia remain little known to Europeans, many are buying (inaccurate) new maps and globes for their homes, as a sign of their sophistication.
Meanwhile, a new political movement rises. The brainchild of the North African Sharif Mohammed e Pomerlein [1] , the world peace alliance, it's influence reaching across the Muslim world and into east Asia and even the Christian lands, it's purpose is to create a global peacekeeping force and mutual security force that will put an end to aggressive war and bloody anarchy. Having seen in his youth the terrible destructiveness of large-scale gunpowder warfare, Mohammed e Pomerlein foresaw an era of new and more terrible weapons created by science, and saw it as his mission to create a force for peace that could stand against the forces of war, before the world sank into a cycle of terror that could wreck civilization.
Now the still fragile Alliance faces its first truly severe challenge, as the armies of the Republic of the Nile prepare to march into the Holy Land, planning to force the issue for a Muslim world the Egyptians think has grown cowardly and unable to effectively stand up to the Karlians or the Ros...
Bruce
[1] During the glory days of the Caliphate, many Europeans "turned Moor", seeking their fortunes in the vast realms of Cordova, where social mobility was greater for an ambitious and skilled man than in the grimly hierarchical feudalism of the Karlian Empire...
)It's a new era.
In this world, the Caliphate of Cordova never fell, and indeed at its height held a big chunk of southern France, most of North Africa west of Egypt, bits of Italy, and colonized the bulk of the New World. Mosques in Cordova and Granada gleamed with the gold and silver of the new world, while in the cold lands to the northeast, the precarious united lands of the heirs of Charlemagne struggled to hold off Jihad while keeping the eastern bits of their empire from calving off.
Time has done its thing, and the great Cordovan empire has crumbled. A scientific revolution was born in the Islamic world, but without modern industry progress has stalled. Instead, it is now the coal-and-iron-and water rich Karlian empire, although with it's often rebellious Angeleland mini-me, which is seeing the world's most rapid technological progress, and Islam (and to a lesser extent, the Greek Orthodox lands) must scramble to catch up.
New ships powered by steam as well as sail cross the Oceans, new factories draw serfs from the land, and some are experimenting with self-propelled steam machines on metal rails. It is an age of wider exploration, of new colonial enterprises, of boundless new possibilities (as well as new forms of exploitation). Although Australia and much of South America and inner Asia remain little known to Europeans, many are buying (inaccurate) new maps and globes for their homes, as a sign of their sophistication.
Meanwhile, a new political movement rises. The brainchild of the North African Sharif Mohammed e Pomerlein [1] , the world peace alliance, it's influence reaching across the Muslim world and into east Asia and even the Christian lands, it's purpose is to create a global peacekeeping force and mutual security force that will put an end to aggressive war and bloody anarchy. Having seen in his youth the terrible destructiveness of large-scale gunpowder warfare, Mohammed e Pomerlein foresaw an era of new and more terrible weapons created by science, and saw it as his mission to create a force for peace that could stand against the forces of war, before the world sank into a cycle of terror that could wreck civilization.
Now the still fragile Alliance faces its first truly severe challenge, as the armies of the Republic of the Nile prepare to march into the Holy Land, planning to force the issue for a Muslim world the Egyptians think has grown cowardly and unable to effectively stand up to the Karlians or the Ros...
Bruce
[1] During the glory days of the Caliphate, many Europeans "turned Moor", seeking their fortunes in the vast realms of Cordova, where social mobility was greater for an ambitious and skilled man than in the grimly hierarchical feudalism of the Karlian Empire...
And now here's the map - one of my talkiest yet!
This might be the post-colonial white guilt talking, but I do so love to see scenarios where the Maori do some ass-kicking and name-taking of their own
I worry at the thought of the inter-tribal warfare which must have prefaced that, though...Don't mess with the Maori. I mean it took Europe centuries to work out trench warfare and such, while the Maori figured it out in a generation. That's pretty impressive.This might be the post-colonial white guilt talking, but I do so love to see scenarios where the Maori do some ass-kicking and name-taking of their own
Nasser with the Axis. Great. What of Palestine?
When will China turn from the Allies?
Who has the better tech? Or Nuclear weapons for that?
Popular cultural?
And now here's the map - one of my talkiest yet!
Considering how well you do the whole talking thing, I'll pretty sure that can only be a plus.
Fantastic work!
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the Congo Civil War took a much more violent turn in 1989 when Premier James Keilinger declared the AFSR’s support for the rebellion in the east, recognizing Joseph Kembe as the legitimate leader in the Congo. The Congress of People’s deputies then approved funding for 200,000 troops to be sent into the Congo. The French responded by sending their own troops into the war-torn region.
In the Caribbean, Panama erupted into violence after rump US authorities violently put down a protest at Panama University, killing 57 students and sending hundreds to the hospital. The rebellion was aided by Costa Rican and Colombian authorities, as both nations were allied with the AFSR. Aiming to keep the Panama Canal under control, Russia sent 30,000 troops to occupy the old Canal Zone, as US President Arthur McGinnis handed over the Canal Zone to Russia .
In North China, 398 people were killed and nearly two thousand were injured when a bomb was set off during a military parade. The majority of deaths and injuries were caused when the crowd stampeded away from the bomb site. The Northern Red Army Liberation Front, a communist group in North China, claimed responsibility for the act. This exacerbated tensions between North and South China, and by extension tensions between the AFSR and Russia.
Tensions between the AFSR and Russia flared up again in 1991 when Premier Keilinger ordered the installation of IRBM installations in Turkey, in violation of a 1977 agreement not to do so. The standoff lasted for several months and included the Turkish government agreeing to close the Bosphorus to Russian traffic, in return for development aid. The Russians responded by sending ships from their bases in Benghazi, Sirte, and Kalamata to blockade the straits between the Peloponnese, Crete, and Rhodes. When a ship carrying American Hammer IV missiles was interdicted near Antikythera, a shootout erupted. The Antikythera Incident resulted in the deaths of 42 Russians and 24 Americans and placed both nations on high alert. Shortly thereafter, a Hessian airliner, carrying 274 passengers including 31 Americans, passed by the island of Karpathos while en route from Koln to Cairo, the Russian destroyer Panteleimon, misidentifying it as an American airborne radar plane, fired its antiaircraft missiles at the plane, killing all onboard as the plane disintegrated over the Sea of Crete. The incident brought the Americans to Defense Status Indigo, only a step from war. Hurriedly, leaders from both nations traveled back and forth between Petrograd, Chicago, and the League of Nations headquarters in the Palace of Nations in London. Finally, on October 2nd, an accord was reached, and the AFSR would withdraw the missiles from Turkey in return for the cancellation of the planned Russian submarine base in El Provenir, Panama.
In the UCAO, civil war erupted over the disputed election of 1992. The National People’s Party leader, Francois Boni, claimed that the election had been rigged, and on June 17th he declared himself the rightful premier from his home in Porto Novo. Boni played on resentment from many Ouestafricaines of the long-established dominance of the Communes of Senegal, Cote d’Ivoire, Guinea, and Senegambie over the rest of the country, and promised to move the capital from Dakar to Senghorville (OTL Bamako). A segment of the UACO military defected to his side, tired of the long, corrupt rule of Premier Julien Senoko, who had ruled since 1973. The AFSR lent its support to the rebels, and in 1993 40,000 military advisors landed in Porto Novo.
The Keilinger government finally fell in 1994, when a leadership challenge from within the Presidium brought him down- his opponent, People’s Secretary for Heavy industry Nancy Lewis, called him “childish, petty, stubborn, and impossible to work with.” Lewis, however, failed to gain the requisite number of People’s Deputies to succeed Keilinger, and so a compromise candidate, Martin Staniszewski, was elected Premier. As the 1990s wore on, tensions between all blocs would grow and the international scene became even more hostile and suspicious.
In the Caribbean, Panama erupted into violence after rump US authorities violently put down a protest at Panama University, killing 57 students and sending hundreds to the hospital. The rebellion was aided by Costa Rican and Colombian authorities, as both nations were allied with the AFSR. Aiming to keep the Panama Canal under control, Russia sent 30,000 troops to occupy the old Canal Zone, as US President Arthur McGinnis handed over the Canal Zone to Russia .
In North China, 398 people were killed and nearly two thousand were injured when a bomb was set off during a military parade. The majority of deaths and injuries were caused when the crowd stampeded away from the bomb site. The Northern Red Army Liberation Front, a communist group in North China, claimed responsibility for the act. This exacerbated tensions between North and South China, and by extension tensions between the AFSR and Russia.
Tensions between the AFSR and Russia flared up again in 1991 when Premier Keilinger ordered the installation of IRBM installations in Turkey, in violation of a 1977 agreement not to do so. The standoff lasted for several months and included the Turkish government agreeing to close the Bosphorus to Russian traffic, in return for development aid. The Russians responded by sending ships from their bases in Benghazi, Sirte, and Kalamata to blockade the straits between the Peloponnese, Crete, and Rhodes. When a ship carrying American Hammer IV missiles was interdicted near Antikythera, a shootout erupted. The Antikythera Incident resulted in the deaths of 42 Russians and 24 Americans and placed both nations on high alert. Shortly thereafter, a Hessian airliner, carrying 274 passengers including 31 Americans, passed by the island of Karpathos while en route from Koln to Cairo, the Russian destroyer Panteleimon, misidentifying it as an American airborne radar plane, fired its antiaircraft missiles at the plane, killing all onboard as the plane disintegrated over the Sea of Crete. The incident brought the Americans to Defense Status Indigo, only a step from war. Hurriedly, leaders from both nations traveled back and forth between Petrograd, Chicago, and the League of Nations headquarters in the Palace of Nations in London. Finally, on October 2nd, an accord was reached, and the AFSR would withdraw the missiles from Turkey in return for the cancellation of the planned Russian submarine base in El Provenir, Panama.
In the UCAO, civil war erupted over the disputed election of 1992. The National People’s Party leader, Francois Boni, claimed that the election had been rigged, and on June 17th he declared himself the rightful premier from his home in Porto Novo. Boni played on resentment from many Ouestafricaines of the long-established dominance of the Communes of Senegal, Cote d’Ivoire, Guinea, and Senegambie over the rest of the country, and promised to move the capital from Dakar to Senghorville (OTL Bamako). A segment of the UACO military defected to his side, tired of the long, corrupt rule of Premier Julien Senoko, who had ruled since 1973. The AFSR lent its support to the rebels, and in 1993 40,000 military advisors landed in Porto Novo.
The Keilinger government finally fell in 1994, when a leadership challenge from within the Presidium brought him down- his opponent, People’s Secretary for Heavy industry Nancy Lewis, called him “childish, petty, stubborn, and impossible to work with.” Lewis, however, failed to gain the requisite number of People’s Deputies to succeed Keilinger, and so a compromise candidate, Martin Staniszewski, was elected Premier. As the 1990s wore on, tensions between all blocs would grow and the international scene became even more hostile and suspicious.
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Re that Middle Earth basemap, here's a blank continent version by Thrashingmad...
https://www.alternatehistory.com/di...?p=3149340&highlight=middle+earth#post3149340
And a version which he seems to have filled in with everything but the kitchen sink...
https://www.alternatehistory.com/di...?p=1873343&highlight=middle+earth#post1873343
And here's a more "official" version...
http://7a6972656f5f74637568.killerhor.net/maps/Arda_Third_Age.gif
https://www.alternatehistory.com/di...?p=3149340&highlight=middle+earth#post3149340
And a version which he seems to have filled in with everything but the kitchen sink...
https://www.alternatehistory.com/di...?p=1873343&highlight=middle+earth#post1873343
And here's a more "official" version...
http://7a6972656f5f74637568.killerhor.net/maps/Arda_Third_Age.gif
It's just one of the many 'planet ISOT' ideas that occasionally pop into my head. Just a few days ago, I thought up a scenario in which Mars is replaced by an alternate Earth (it's temperature and environment would be kept safe and warm thanks to handwavium) in which the Soviets won the Cold War somehow, eventually leading to a sort of 'Space Cold War' between the USA on our Earth and the Soviets on the ISOTed Earth.
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