Map Thread XII

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  1. Thanksforallthefish King of Dolphins

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    Does anybody remembers, or know where I can find, a series done by an user showing the maximum claims of the Axis powers would they have won the war? It included the Greater Asian Co-prosperity sphere stretching over the Pacific, Italian and Spanish claims on Africa, and even puppet Norway's claims. I can't find them anywhere.
     
  2. Alex1guy First Of His Name

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    Yeah Free France, Free Netherlands and Free Belgium are all in a bad state. While the Allies (more specifically Britain) is backing them, they are fighting a losing battle. Free France is bitter for lack of a better term and the Dutch and Belgians are desperately trying to be swallowed by history, as their homelands have ben asborbed by the Reich. This is a point of contention between Washington and London as the US favours independence whereas Britain favours trying to maintain the various colonial regimes.
     
  3. Historyman 14 Well-Known Member

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    With the Germans and Italians giving aid to the rebels. Decolonization is very bloody. What about Finland? Turkey? Iran?
     
  4. Alex1guy First Of His Name

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    The revolts are not really the product of Italian or German funding (although private groups do recieve funding) more of the fact that their colonial masters are incredibly weak. The Reich is very insular at the moment, with the war technically not over (US/UK embargo and blockade is still in effect, it's basically leeching off it's client states in Europe, but the Reich does trade through Spain), it loudly protests virtually everything that the West does (while killing millions every year). There have been nuemrous incidents between the Reich and the West which have threatened to escalate things (I'll cover those a bit later) but by and large the war has remained on the low burner. Germany however enjoys a very high standard of living, if at the expense of all of Europe. However shortages on luxury goods such as coffee are becoming more and more noticable, as Nazi economic mismanagement takes it's toll.

    The Reich is mostly focused on "colonizing" and fighting the endless war that is going on in the East. Finland is one of the few democracies left in Europe and is VERY neutral. Turkey is also neutral offically, leaning towards the Allies but due to it's proximity to the Reich it doesn't rock the boat, it's capital is in Ankara for defense reasons. It accepted thousands of refugees from the Caucus before the Nazis officially set up shop there. Iran meanwhile is the prettiest girl at the ball, recieveing signifcant investment from Britain and the USA so it doesn't fall into the Axis camp.
     
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  5. Fenwick Uncrowned ruler of Hippies Donor

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    For a story I am working on...

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  6. Used-to-be Song Chinese 新建伯兼南京兵部尚書兼都察院左都御史

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    Uh... isn't the map a bit too small?
     
  7. Alex1guy First Of His Name

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    That looks amazing!

    Yeah I've lost some of the edges. I'm gonna redraw borders on a new map when I get home from work.
     
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  8. B_Munro Member

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    This guy maybe? http://totentanz0.deviantart.com/
     
  9. BMN Well-Known Member

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    A teaser for my new TL that I'm developing. This is a spin-off detailing a plausible axis "victory". And by victory I mean the recognition of de-facto borders and the avoidance of total defeat. PODs are 1895 and 1905. Map dates are 1910, 1914, 1919, 1925, 1939, and mid-1940's (some point between 1943 and 1946).

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  10. Dorozhand Queer Maoist

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    Map of the Xin Dynasty of China, founded by Wang Mang in 9 CE after creating a cult of personality and overthrowing the last emperor of the ailing Han Dynasty. Wang's policies of the abolition of slavery, the successful institution of the well-field system, and the liberation of free farmers among other measures which aided the peasantry, helped build up a great agricultural base in China which was used to free up labour for state projects and military actions. Mostly, however, the military policy stayed at home, and China became rather insular with the exception of the campaign against the Buyeo invasion of Goguryeo which resulted in a long war with the Baekje Kingdom, which conquered Goguryeo's remnants in the south along with Gaya and Silla; as well as the campaign of the reconquest of Dai Viet.

    Wang Mang's policies towards foreign states is less haughty than OTL, but when it is it is backed up by military force. More successful implementation of agricultural reform and the putting down of nobility-led rebellions help him solidify power. His sons further consolidate the Xin empire and build up its defenses on its borders, as well as its farming and its culture at home. The dynasty lasts, through several ups and downs, until peasant rebellions topple the state after a series of weak emperors fail to handle growing problems. In 223 Xin finally collapses completely into a series of smaller states each trying to conquer the others.

    Map of the Xin Dynasty at the height of its power in 140 CE
    Yellow represents the completed sections of the Great Wall, green represents the Imperial Commanderies.

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  11. SaveAtlacamani Atlacamani Conservationist Donor

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    Lost the game, what happened to your series? Was the commentary not positive enough?
     
  12. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    The art style reminds me of the maps used for Battle for Wesnoth for some reason.
     
  14. Historyman 14 Well-Known Member

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    Ah. And Russia behind the Urals? The Commonwealth? India? China, Korea and Japan?
     
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  15. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    This is using the standard map base on here. If it was changed the pixels would be warped when editing. Also, please don't quote the map portions.
     
  16. The Professor Pontif of the Guild

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    Nice. Is that swampland south of Brunfrie?
     
  17. Sharunaku Well-Known Member

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    I believe that most of East Asia is banned by postimg, where people can only see a miniscule thumbnail of any picture. This is why I hope everyone to stop using it.
     
  18. democracy101 Better than communism

    Out of curiosity, what occurred within East Asia from 1910 to ~1940? I'm not expecting anything particularly specific.

    IOTL, given that Wang Mang's diplomatic policies were disastrous, it would be virtually impossible for the situation to be significantly better if he actually decided to declare war in this scenario. The Han had been at war with the Xiongnu since 133 BC, and given that China was forced to mobilize around 300,000 troops from AD 10-11 in order to prevent a major invasion, it would have been essentially suicidal for the Han to expend troops just to fight Goguryeo. A major war in the northeast would only have incentivized the Xiongnu to increase their raids, while Goguryeo would have responded by allying with the Okjeo, Yemaek, and Mahan, in addition to potentially coordinating their attacks with the Xianbei and Xiongnu, given the geopolitics at the time. Additionally, Buyeo was in the process of deteriorating at this time, as it had no major nomadic allies (forcing it to grudgingly rely on China decades later), and failed to dislodge Goguryeo's position despite invading it in 6 BC and AD 13, after which its ruler was killed in AD 22 due to a counter-invasion by Goguryeo. Even if Buyeo had managed to recapture most of the territory that Goguryeo had established after its secession, it would have claimed a much larger share of territory in Southern Manchuria (mostly in the southeast, which was inhospitable and lacked major resources), as opposed to losing a significant amount of its territory further north.

    Even after the Eastern Han regrouped and strengthened its government after AD 25, and gradually managed to recover its territories in the Western Regions, Goguryeo continued to build up its military in order to aggressively pressure the Han's commanderies within the peninsula. In particular, it not only managed to temporarily conquer Lelang twice in AD 32 and 37, but also invaded Lelang (in concert with allies) numerous times during Taejo's reign (r. 53-121?), forcing the Han to request assistance from Buyeo in the latter.

    Baekje (which technically did not exist at the time, would also have been referred to as "Wirye" after its capital) also would have been unable to significantly expand its territory, as Mahan, Jinhan, and Byeonhan all continued to exert significant influence until the late 3rd-early 4th centuries. For reference, most of the statelets (at least 54 in Mahan) were systematically recorded when the Cao Wei (with Buyeo) invaded Goguryeo from 244-5, two centuries after Wang Mang's reign, and toured most of the peninsula. Specifically, Baekje did not consolidate its hold on the Han River Valley until Goi's reign (r. 234-86), and did not conquer the remaining Mahan statelets until Geunchogo's reign (r. 346-75), while Gaya was never fully consolidated, as power was divided among several factions within major cities, and Silla was not fully consolidated until the early 5th century or so.

    EDIT: All of the states in what is now Manchuria/Korea had continued to pay tribute to China (in order to establish stable trading relations) at least since Gojoseon was conquered in 108 BC. As a result, China would not have invaded what became Manchuria/Korea unless it had been directly provoked, which would have been essentially unthinkable for the northeastern states if China somehow managed to avoid major turmoil after Wang Mang's death, as the transition from the Xin to the Eastern Han would have been butterflied.
     
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  19. Fenwick Uncrowned ruler of Hippies Donor

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  20. BMN Well-Known Member

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    Japan becomes steadily more democratic, and their military becomes less important. China overthrows their emperor in a peaceful revolution, establishing a stable republic. However, the Chinese base their ideology on fighting back against the imperialist europeans and become progressively more militaristic and radical.

    They build up their military power in western style, imitating Germany as OTL. And are inspired by fascism when it emerges in Europe. They use this military power to renegotiate the unequal treaties, slowly eliminating the sphere of influence regions the other great powers had carved out of China. Due to their success, the ruling party becomes wildly popular.

    The Second American Revolution leads to the re-establishment of the British and Japanese alliance.

    Germany, needing an ally in East Asia, signs the tripartite pact with China. And with the outbreak of hostilities in 1939, China launches the "Chinese Wars of Tributary Restoration". Essentially attempting to reclaim all of the domains and tributary states of the old Empire.

    First Mongolia is invaded and successfully captured due to the slow and inept Russian response, then treaty port cities such as Hong Kong are seized. China invades the Russian turkestans, as well as Burma, Kashmir and Bhutan. Fighting with the Russians on the open steppe, and with the British in the mountains leads to atrociously huge amounts of casualties. China also occupies French Indochina, which got cut off from France during the disorganization from the Battle of France. China attempts to enter Korea, hoping the Koreans will accept them as liberators, but instead the Koreans fight, with extensive naval support from Japan.

    Although the Germans were steadily losing, they are saved when the Russian Empire is ruined by the Russian Revolution. A ceasefire is agreed upon and Germany and China are able to keep a portion of their gains.
     
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