If Godzilla were awake then there'd not have been any other invasions. Look what happened to Seatopia or the various aliens trying to conquer Earth.
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Thanks for all the compliments everyone.
The POD is sometime in the 900s and the basic premise is that Bulgaria never declines and that Hungary expands into the Balkans and Eastern Europe alongside Bulgaria. The rivalry continues through the middle ages into the colonial era where both settle the Americas, Africa, parts of southernmost India and Oceania alongside (listed in their OTL names to avoid confusion) Portugal, France, Southern Italy, Japan, Scandinavia, Scotland and Ireland.
Colonization was rather harsh and intermarrying with locals was discouraged, thus the mestizo population isn't that large so I didnt distinguish it from the Hungarian populace. And yeah the Amazon area should probably have more natives.
I know its rather implausible, but I fell in love with the idea of Hungarian colonies.
Now try not to laugh as I attempt to explain the Latin quarter.
The Greek area is a really small speck within the Latin speaking area in the suburbs around Szentszek. It's the location of the Holy See of the Roman Christian Church. My idea there being that some cardinals or someone didn't like some liberal reforms ongoing in the church because butterflies, so they fled Rome and founded a sort of super conservative anti-papacy and the city of Szentszek (which means Holy See in Hungarian). The rest I haven't finished thinking out.
Hope that made sense. I welcome all criticisms.
The POD is sometime in the 900s and the basic premise is that Bulgaria never declines and that Hungary expands into the Balkans and Eastern Europe alongside Bulgaria. The rivalry continues through the middle ages into the colonial era where both settle the Americas, Africa, parts of southernmost India and Oceania alongside (listed in their OTL names to avoid confusion) Portugal, France, Southern Italy, Japan, Scandinavia, Scotland and Ireland.
Colonization was rather harsh and intermarrying with locals was discouraged, thus the mestizo population isn't that large so I didnt distinguish it from the Hungarian populace. And yeah the Amazon area should probably have more natives.
I know its rather implausible, but I fell in love with the idea of Hungarian colonies.
Now try not to laugh as I attempt to explain the Latin quarter.
The Greek area is a really small speck within the Latin speaking area in the suburbs around Szentszek. It's the location of the Holy See of the Roman Christian Church. My idea there being that some cardinals or someone didn't like some liberal reforms ongoing in the church because butterflies, so they fled Rome and founded a sort of super conservative anti-papacy and the city of Szentszek (which means Holy See in Hungarian). The rest I haven't finished thinking out.
Hope that made sense. I welcome all criticisms.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who supports Hungarian Colonialism.
EDIT:
I'm having yet another go at a province based Q-bam to replace that one really ugly province map that everyone used to use, with it's random borders and what-the-hell-is-that Greenland. What I'm using has provinces based on historical and modern divisions, external, internal, political and otherwise- with random but pretty lines where needed. Partially population and importance based, too: the current draft has 5 provinces in Iceland but 50ish in Ireland, for example.
EDITEDIT: Oh, yeah: I was going to ask if people wanted to see the final later or a WIP NAOW.
EDIT:
I'm having yet another go at a province based Q-bam to replace that one really ugly province map that everyone used to use, with it's random borders and what-the-hell-is-that Greenland. What I'm using has provinces based on historical and modern divisions, external, internal, political and otherwise- with random but pretty lines where needed. Partially population and importance based, too: the current draft has 5 provinces in Iceland but 50ish in Ireland, for example.
EDITEDIT: Oh, yeah: I was going to ask if people wanted to see the final later or a WIP NAOW.
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Dorozhand
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The Anarchist Union of the Ivory Coast.
The PoD involves a USSR that senses an impending invasion and prepares a defensive plan properly. Germany is curbstomped when it tries Barbarossa, France successfully rebels on its own, and the war ends in 1943. More of Europe is under the USSR's sphere of influence, the USSR is in a stronger position with more infrastructure intact, Europe is left with less destruction in general, the colonial powers retain stability in their empires, and nuclear weapons are never developed.
ITTL the cold war is extremely intense and the world teeters on the brink of war for 20 years. The increased stability of Europe's colonial empires, and the increased ability of Europe to retain control over them, encourages the powers to develop and industrialize them in preparation for the next war.
The world goes to war again in 1962. The Third World War in Europe becomes a bloody stalemate, with the USSR and its allies facing western Europe and the United States across the Rhine and Rhone rivers.
While all this is going on, in Africa the colonial empires are strained to the breaking point, and many powers abandon them to spare troops for the war in Europe. This results in a chaotic decolonization and African nations that devolve into a bloody mess of tribal wars, separatist movements, dictators, and genocides.
Out of this chaos, however, a remarkable new nation is born. In the Ivory Coast, which has been chafing under the rule of an extremely oppressive and psychotic dictator, Anarchism becomes a popular movement. Ivorian political philosophers and revolutionaries begin to stir, and as protests topple the regime and the country collapses into a multifaceted civil war, several cities along the coast with significant Anarchist movements rebel together under the black flag.
In 1965, Anarchist philosophers from the cities in the south gather in the first Ivorian Anarchist Party Congress. They establish the framework for a syndicalist, worker-owned economy, intertwined with a direct-democratic republic through which representatives from trade unions and farmers' guilds coordinate economic development and distribution.
An army is put together around elements of the old republic's army and new worker recruits to defend the cities from the other Ivorian factions. A new command is formed, elected by the soldiery after the execution of the old generals in the mutiny that followed the beginning of the civil war. These new generals, largely Anarchists, coordinate a "Communal Defense" at a front line in the north. Workers from the cities serve in this army at their own discretion in the same manner as the Catalonians during the Spanish Civil War. Several major revolutionary heroes of this "People's Army of the Black Banner" are honored in the renaming of several major cities. Abidjan, the central hub of the major councils and the economic centre of the country is renamed "Ergatisopolis", or "City of the Workers".
The country's philosophy is described simply as Anarchism, without adjective. This is further represented by its flag, the plain black banner of Anarchism. It represents the fact that the people are united by ideology and unified revolution and not government or nationalism, and also is a nod to the Paris Commune, who used the plain red banner of Socialism.
Map of the AUIC as of the end of the Third World War in 1967:
The PoD involves a USSR that senses an impending invasion and prepares a defensive plan properly. Germany is curbstomped when it tries Barbarossa, France successfully rebels on its own, and the war ends in 1943. More of Europe is under the USSR's sphere of influence, the USSR is in a stronger position with more infrastructure intact, Europe is left with less destruction in general, the colonial powers retain stability in their empires, and nuclear weapons are never developed.
ITTL the cold war is extremely intense and the world teeters on the brink of war for 20 years. The increased stability of Europe's colonial empires, and the increased ability of Europe to retain control over them, encourages the powers to develop and industrialize them in preparation for the next war.
The world goes to war again in 1962. The Third World War in Europe becomes a bloody stalemate, with the USSR and its allies facing western Europe and the United States across the Rhine and Rhone rivers.
While all this is going on, in Africa the colonial empires are strained to the breaking point, and many powers abandon them to spare troops for the war in Europe. This results in a chaotic decolonization and African nations that devolve into a bloody mess of tribal wars, separatist movements, dictators, and genocides.
Out of this chaos, however, a remarkable new nation is born. In the Ivory Coast, which has been chafing under the rule of an extremely oppressive and psychotic dictator, Anarchism becomes a popular movement. Ivorian political philosophers and revolutionaries begin to stir, and as protests topple the regime and the country collapses into a multifaceted civil war, several cities along the coast with significant Anarchist movements rebel together under the black flag.
In 1965, Anarchist philosophers from the cities in the south gather in the first Ivorian Anarchist Party Congress. They establish the framework for a syndicalist, worker-owned economy, intertwined with a direct-democratic republic through which representatives from trade unions and farmers' guilds coordinate economic development and distribution.
An army is put together around elements of the old republic's army and new worker recruits to defend the cities from the other Ivorian factions. A new command is formed, elected by the soldiery after the execution of the old generals in the mutiny that followed the beginning of the civil war. These new generals, largely Anarchists, coordinate a "Communal Defense" at a front line in the north. Workers from the cities serve in this army at their own discretion in the same manner as the Catalonians during the Spanish Civil War. Several major revolutionary heroes of this "People's Army of the Black Banner" are honored in the renaming of several major cities. Abidjan, the central hub of the major councils and the economic centre of the country is renamed "Ergatisopolis", or "City of the Workers".
The country's philosophy is described simply as Anarchism, without adjective. This is further represented by its flag, the plain black banner of Anarchism. It represents the fact that the people are united by ideology and unified revolution and not government or nationalism, and also is a nod to the Paris Commune, who used the plain red banner of Socialism.
Map of the AUIC as of the end of the Third World War in 1967:
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Both the English and the Spanish/Castilians being non-participants seems a little unlikely for geographic reasons, but I suppose with a POD as far back as the 10th or 11th century, some weird changes are possible. A world map would be very cool!
Bruce
A delightful idea, Dorozhand! I don't believe that nuclear weapons will remain undeveloped indefinitely (indeed, with a 5-year WWIII, nobody funding a research project seems unlikely) so I'll say for my headcanon that the Fourth World War (1990s, launched by a USSR increasingly economically desperate) is fought with atomic weapons and the Anarchist ideal of the Union spread world-wide.
Bruce
I had Portugal inherit/conquer/unite Spain and I was really just trying to avoid England from becoming a colonial power for a few odd reasons, mainly being originality.
I'm actually working on a world map of worlda right now.January 1st, 2100. The world celebrates the coming of a new century and reflects on the one whose day has just passed. For the first time since before the First World War, the world is divided into the spheres of multiple roughly equal powers, though there hasn't been a conflict between them since the Third World War (2051-2059), and with most of the world relatively free and democratic there doesn't look to be a major conflict for a while longer (perhaps never again?).
The Indian Federation stands as first among equals in total GDP, followed closely by the United States of America, the European Federation, and the Democratic Republic of China. The Eurasian Federation (basically an expanded Russia), Japan, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the Republic of South Africa, the East African Federation, and the United Arab Republics are also considered great powers.
The past century has seen a world battered by war, a thunderous global recovery, and massive advances in technology, yet in some ways is not too different from 2013. The next century is a mystery, but from New Delhi to Washington to Brussels to Nanjing, the world optimistically looks forward, arguably more peaceful and unified than ever.
The Indian Federation stands as first among equals in total GDP, followed closely by the United States of America, the European Federation, and the Democratic Republic of China. The Eurasian Federation (basically an expanded Russia), Japan, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the Republic of South Africa, the East African Federation, and the United Arab Republics are also considered great powers.
The past century has seen a world battered by war, a thunderous global recovery, and massive advances in technology, yet in some ways is not too different from 2013. The next century is a mystery, but from New Delhi to Washington to Brussels to Nanjing, the world optimistically looks forward, arguably more peaceful and unified than ever.
I had Portugal inherit/conquer/unite Spain and I was really just trying to avoid England from becoming a colonial power for a few odd reasons, mainly being originality.
Maybe England is focused elsewhere? Africa or something? Or had a rough civil war type period?
It's hard to imagine them not becoming some kind of naval power.
Nice and optimistic. What were the sides in the 3rd world war?
USA, India, Russia, Japan, UK, France, Egypt, assorted sub-Saharan Africans vs. China, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, assorted sub-Saharan Africans (plenty of other minors on each side).
That's open for interpretation IMO. On one hand, the world is freer, healthier, wealthier (said wealth is somewhat more evenly spread as well), and more peaceful than today. On the other hand, 150+ million people were killed in the middle of the century.
That's about what I would have guessed, with China, Pakistan, Iran, and Indonesia having territorial losses in places. What were Israel and the Arabic world doing at the time, if you don't mind the questions?
Also, what's with Nicaragua? New canal?
Hungary Screw! Also, Provence and Venice aren't really that much closer to Aquitaine and Northern Italy respectively then France and United Italy, why did their respective movement fail? How did Lebanon end up in a union with all those Muslims? Why has the Aral Sea neither rebounded, disappeared, or at least been kept static from the modern time?
I'd be willing- but be more specific. Are we talking alternate colonization, a near future intervention?
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