How bad with anti-immigrant xenophobia be in Italy?
Not sure, I'd expect it to be similar to OTL but feel free to offer suggestions.

You would probably get a substantial number of Latin Americans, especially those with Italian ancestry.
I was thnking that during the cold war, Italy would reach out to fascist-adjacent nations in Latin America through the Mediterranean Council. Maybe they're like observer nations, or maybe they join completely?

Again, I'm open to suggestions. I don't know much about Latin American politics and history.

Even today there are some migrants to Italy from Latin America, as someone who speaks Spanish natively and then learned Italian it was very funny to hear essentially "inverse Argentinian," that is Spanish sounds and inflections layered under Italian. Much more comprehensible than Argentine Spanish for me, counter-intuitively, if the person speaking Italian came from somewhere with a similar dialect of Spanish.

In this timeline there might be more immigrants, and "returning" Italians. Mussolini IOTL was big on asking immigrants to return. Originally, of course, many European immigrants to the New World came to work temporarily, so it wasn't too unbelievable to believe more could be attracted back even if that effort never reached il Duce's lofty expectations.

Would this lead to problems of "overpopulation?" In my view, that term is usually basically a euphemism for something else, and rarely ever actually a problem. Or at least, rarely the root cause of societal issues.

I hope eventually the TL will get into issues surrounding the Italian film industry. I have to imagine Italian film will be extremely different ITTL. Neorealism has its roots in Fascist era cinema, but I doubt we'll see it in a recognizable form or the magical realism that followed. The same directors will probably be working but I don't see Fellini doing great at Fascist Cinecittà, for example.
You're right that there were some returning Italians, I wonder if I could maybe do a chapter on them later... Like I said above, I was thinking Latin American countries might join the Med Council in some way.

Again, I'm open to suggestions.

Out of curiosity does Italy retain control of its island possessions in the Aegean or are they under Greek hands? Or are they a dominion?
They were transferred back to Greece for closer relations and an alliance against Turkey. There was a mini-war over the coup d'etat in Cyprus. Relations have (mostly) normalised by 2014.
 
I wonder if Fascism's longer staying power would itself affect a significant change in Latin American politics? Iotl we saw many despotic but not particularly ideological military juntas, and some failed Fascist movements, the AIB, for example as well as some Falange copycats. I wonder if regular old juntas are as interested in Fascism/Mediterranean Council, or if groups like the AIB stick around. Of course, it's equally possible for some of these more despotic types to try and co-opt mass politics, that happened a lot in Europe, like the Baltic states for example.

I also wonder if the continuation of Fascism dramatically changes Spain's economic trajectory. Do they ever try for Autarky? Conversely, do they choose not to liberalize the economy and stick to more syndicalist principles?
 
Considering that Italy did not start the Second World War, nor was it devastated in it, how did the feeling of European unity in Italy evolve?
 
Victory Day or Liberty Day? (Rome coverage)

Victory Day or Liberty Day?​


When Italian President Giovanni Alemanno spoke to the military forces assembled for the parade outside the Palazzo Venezia, he announced clearly that the country would stand firm in its position on the international stage.


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Giovanni Alemanno, President of Italy since 2002

Alemanno’s short speech comes less than a week after the country’s peacekeepers in Ichkeria had a tense standoff with Russian troops across the disputed border. He warned that Italy would be prepared to defend the region militarily if the dispute worsens.


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Jets paint the national flag in the sky

The annual parade marks 13 March, Italy’s Victory Day, commemorating the defeat of Nazi Germany. In just 4 days, many around the country will also celebrate Liberty Day, the anniversary of the dissolution of fascism. This year marks 20 years since the transition began, but Alemanno’s Alliance of Italy party won’t be celebrating, since celebrations of Liberty Day and Victory Day were combined to create a two-day holiday for Victory Day.


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Ceremonial guards lay a wreath for the victims of World War 2

All along the Via dell’Impero, Italian soldiers, tanks, and more marched along carrying a mix of republican, monarchist, and fascist symbols. Old fascist songs like Giovinezza are played by the military bands, and the crowd is orderly. If there had also been fascist salutes, one could have imagined Balbo was still ruling the country.


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Italian Bersaglieri (sharpshooters) march with their distinctive black feathers

To many in Italy, it’s no surprise – Alemanno is the son-in-law of former Italian fascist leader Pino Rauti, who led the country following the death of Giorgio Almirante and steered it away from reform. But while many call him a fascist, the Italian president has repeatedly refused the label, instead calling himself a nationalist and a conservative. He also distanced himself early on from the legacy of Rauti, refusing to enter a coalition with the MFI (Italian Fascist Movement) and refusing to lift the public ban on the fascist salute.


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Alemanno and his fellow Alliance of Italy members, Ignazio La Russa (left) and Gianfranco Fini (centre), stand on the famous Mussolini Balconi at the Palazzo Venezia in Rome.

At the same time, the continued electoral success has produced a cynical and apathetic populace. In the 2012 election, in which the United Italy coalition won 78% of all Chamber of Deputy seats, approximately 61% of Italians voted. Only about 42% of young people (21-25) voted, with Italy’s voting age of 21 also being the highest in Europe.

"Generally speaking, I think voting does not lead to any change. I don't see any tangible differences for me whether there is one person or another in government," says Alessandro Bianchi, a university student in Rome.

Alessandro is hardly alone – with a poll released in August reporting that 53% of them believed that voting "is meaningless" because politicians "do whatever they want" once elected and “always come from the same party.” Support for the ruling party and Alemanno is strongest among middle-aged and elderly voters.


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Anti-fascist Liberty Day protest – many on the Italian left celebrate 17 March instead of recognising the joint Victory Day-Liberty Day instituted in 2005

Even politicians who fight for change, such as lowering the voting age or introducing more social programs, are often implicated in corruption charges. To those on the left, these are often dismissed as trumped up accusations, but to other Italians it only reinforces a lack of faith in the opposition. Making things worse is the failure of most investigations to find concrete evidence for charges against Alliance party members. As former judge Gherardo Colombo said in his memoir, “It was ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ that you couldn’t look into certain drawers. No one could open them, and when someone tried to, the drawers would immediately be closed again.”

“Everyone will believe what he or she is inclined to believe,” says Giorgio Giuliani, a Rome-based political scientist. “Some will believe the charges are honest, and some will believe they are not, and there will be no way of proving it one way or the other. Life in Italy moves on.”


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The past few years have seen more political arrests, the most notable usually being opponents and critics of Alemanno

To Italians who saw the transition from fascism to a democratic reformist government, only to be betrayed by that government’s corruption scandals, Alemanno gives them a sense of stability. He portrays himself as a political outsider, allowing him to use other politicians, or even his own, as scapegoats for all of Italy’s problems. It’s only through these methods that he has maintained his presidency through multiple scandals.

“He’s an experienced politician,” Giulia Costa says. “He can do anything, and I believe he will win. It will be fair because he has done a lot for the country.”

“Fascism controlled Italy for 72 years,” tweeted Sergio Conti, leader of the socialist Left Front. “This was an insult to the victims of fascism, not a celebration. They again spit in our face. We will be on the streets for the real holiday!” (in reference to 17 March, the original Liberty Day date).

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note: I hope my edited photos were believable :) - the one of Giovanni Alemanno as president was pretty tricky, for some reason I couldn't find any high-resolution photos of him in a typical politician portrait. Our duce-presumptive ITTL is president and not PM because post-fascist Italy has a more French-style government, featuring a very strong president.

I also made a post-fascist government emblem for the presidential flag seen behind him:
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Love that in this TL it is Alemanno who is threatening war with Russia. He's definitely a better version of himself. I know it would be unoriginal, but part of me wanted Meloni to be in charge ITTL anyways.

Hope we get an in-depth look at Italian nuclear politics as well as the monarchy, at some point.

Another great update. The presidential flag is great, even if I'm skeptical it'd retain the Fascio.
 
part of me wanted Meloni to be in charge ITTL anyways.
Reminder that this TL is set in 2014. In OTL, Meloni had only just founded the Fratelli d'Italia party. She might be a successor for Alemanno, but only time will tell.

"Hope we get an in-depth look at Italian nuclear politics as well as the monarchy, at some point."
Mmmaybe, we'll see.

"Another great update. The presidential flag is great, even if I'm skeptical it'd retain the Fascio."
Thanks! I was unsure of what to put in place of the gear and star, and the Fasces was the only symbol that came to mind. I think maybe they would've tried to keep it, or like, it was something the Democrats removed only for the Nationals to bring it back? Other countries use it, so I could see that as an excuse.

I wonder if Fascism's longer staying power would itself affect a significant change in Latin American politics? Iotl we saw many despotic but not particularly ideological military juntas, and some failed Fascist movements, the AIB, for example as well as some Falange copycats. I wonder if regular old juntas are as interested in Fascism/Mediterranean Council, or if groups like the AIB stick around. Of course, it's equally possible for some of these more despotic types to try and co-opt mass politics, that happened a lot in Europe, like the Baltic states for example.

I also wonder if the continuation of Fascism dramatically changes Spain's economic trajectory. Do they ever try for Autarky? Conversely, do they choose not to liberalize the economy and stick to more syndicalist principles?
As I've said before, I don't know much about Latin American politics. I'm open to suggestions for future chapters though! I could look into the AIB and maybe do something in the future, but no promises. Re: the Med Council, I did plan for Latin Americans to be observers but I didn't consider whether any of them would be juntas - interesting to think about.

Re: Spain, I'm not sure :coldsweat: I imagined that Fascist Italy would have slowly abandoned autarky as they moved towards a policy of Mediterranean autarky. Having the various Italian puppets and allies worked into a single economic zone would lessen the need for full-control control over the economy. So... I dunno, something between South Korea (massive companies turning around and controlling the government) and China (politicians BEING the company owners). Whether Spain opts to join such a system, I have no idea, but Mediterranean autarky (communism with Italian characteristics?) was abandoned as Italy switched gears and decided to work itself into the EEC.

I imagine it'll depend on how racist Italian fascism is.
It's not so much racist as it is chauvinist, if that makes sense. A Libyan with an Italian education can be seen as equal, and a rural Italian from Salerno can be seen as lower-class. As such, a lot of Italian fascists (especially neo-fascists) ITTL are ignorant of foreign cultures. They are big and boisterous much like the populist fascists in IRL Italy.

Considering that Italy did not start the Second World War, nor was it devastated in it, how did the feeling of European unity in Italy evolve?
At first, very cooperative (especially as the Cold War began) because it proved the fascists "right" about communism.

Later, as the US and Allies pushed for decolonisation (1955-1970s), there was a period of feeling betrayed, renewed "closed Mediterranean" / 3-way Cold War.

Near the end of the Cold War (70s-94), there was detente especially with the EEC by way of France. Italy and France are very close despite Italian fascism. Thanks to this, when fascism is teetering, France and other European countries call for Italian fascism to end. French support for political exiles also helps them "bring Italy in as a friend" when fascism ends. Italy joins the EU in 1996, with her former puppets joining over the next decade. Italians feel they are definitely part of Europe, belong in the EU, and see other European countries as friends, but see the EU as often working against them.
 
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It's not so much racist as it is chauvinist, if that makes sense. A Libyan with an Italian education can be seen as equal, and a rural Italian from Salerno can be seen as lower-class. As such, a lot of Italian fascists (especially neo-fascists) ITTL are ignorant of foreign cultures. They are big and boisterous much like the populist fascists in IRL Italy.
Knowing racism of course, I know that many Italians will see POC as not one of their own sadly. The leadership might with all of their efforts but you know reality.
 
Near the end of the Cold War (70s-94), there was detente especially with the EEC by way of France. Italy and France are very close despite Italian fascism. Thanks to this, when fascism is teetering, France and other European countries call for Italian fascism to end. French support for political exiles also helps them "bring Italy in as a friend" when fascism ends. Italy joins the EU in 1996, with her former puppets joining over the next decade. Italians feel they are definitely part of Europe, belong in the EU, and see other European countries as friends, but see the EU as often working against them.
Personally if i have to say as an italian i don't agree on the statement about France on the contrary personally i believe that beside the Soviet and Pan Arabism the state the Italy would see as his main rival Is France, even today when we are supposed to be ally on foreign policy France Is One of the main rival country to Italy. Also on France side they would hate to be outshined by Italy and then there Is the problem of corsica which Is a giant elephant in the room.
 
Personally if i have to say as an italian i don't agree on the statement about France on the contrary personally i believe that beside the Soviet and Pan Arabism the state the Italy would see as his main rival Is France, even today when we are supposed to be ally on foreign policy France Is One of the main rival country to Italy. Also on France side they would hate to be outshined by Italy and then there Is the problem of corsica which Is a giant elephant in the room.

Politics make strange bedfellow, anyone in charge in Italy know that they can't really compete with the big boys aka USA and URSS bloc and some help is needed expecially when the economy will go down (fascist economy management was hardly good...to use an euphemism) so an ally to get in the EEC/EU is needed.
Plus well there is the question of Algeria (and Tunisia) and this is a situation that can bring both Paris and Rome together as the first will need help to fight the insurgent and the second will want to keep the insurgent weak and on the other side.
Regarding Corsica or any other border dispute, it's more probable that after the end of WW2 even Italy get the message and accepted the number one rule of diplomacy and politics in the continent aka 'you will never ever for any damned reason even think to change the borders except for minor corrections'
 
Tbh honest the divide with France is systemic, even when they are allies they at best tolerate each other and this Is not a situation were they work at best, for Tunisia Italy for example supported the Neo-Dustur party and It Is very likely that Italy with Spain too is the One to support the OAS against both France and the algerian, both move in anti french function and in general even for the french side being outshined by Italy would probably harsher relation from their side too. For Corsica i really doubt they will stop financing the pro italian and separatism in general because really they are an american ally but not a french one.
For the EU (which tbh i think Is some years behind without italian push for agreement like the Treaty of Rome or other) you don't need a country to sponsor you to enter but in general a lot of time the thought was that expanding the EU was a mean to prevent instability or new dictatorship to establish in those new free country and unless there are serious problematic german will Is sufficent to make other accept the entry of new country and in general if a country oppose it there Is to consider if It Is a valid reason and if the benefit of It joining outclass the malus.
 
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Tbh honest the divide with France is systemic, even when they are allies they at best tolerate each other and this Is not a situation were they work at best, for Tunisia Italy for example Italy supported the Neo-Dustur party and It Is very likely that Italy with Spain too is the One to support the OAS against both France and the algerian, both move in anti french function and in general even for the french side being outshined by Italy would probably harsher relation from their side too. For Corsica i really doubt they will stop financing the pro italian and separatism in general because really they are an american ally but not a french one.
For the EU (which tbh i think Is some years behind without italian push for agreement like the Treaty of Rome or other) you don't need a country to sponsor you to enter but in general a lot of time the thought was that expanding the EU was a mean to prevent instability or new dictatorship to establish in those new free country and unless there are serious problematic german will Is sufficent to make other accept the entry of new country and in general if a country oppose it there Is to consider if It Is a valid reason and if the benefit of It joining outclass the malus.
OAS can't even be a thing due to the butterfly as the war in Algeria will be pretty much different with an italian Libya and while you don't need a sponsor to enter the EU/EEC you need an ally to do things and avoid too much pressure...and while is probable that Italy will finance (discretely) pro italian party, the times of annexation are gone the way of the dodo and anyone knows it.
Honestly it's more probable that Italy and France had worked together to keep their influence in Africa strong enough during the cold war to fight off both USA and URSS attempt to poach in their zone of influence so they started with a complicated relationships due to common interest to a working modus vivendi.
And while Italy supported the Neo-Dustur party once decolonization start and arab nationalism arise well the tune will greatly change due to sheer necessity...hell it's probable that both France and Italy will send troops and material to help Spain during the Rif wa.
 
I keep my statement France and Italy cooperation doesn't make sense if you want to force It go for it but It don't make sense. It Is more probable that after democratization Germany will want Italy inside for have a better oil alternative to Russia or the UK will want Italy inside to build an alternative with It against the franco german dominance.
For the OAS It will happen regardless of the butterfly effect because France can't hold Algerian in the condition they govern it and as soon the idea of leaving Algeria poop up OAS will form. And in general we see It even today France and Italy have to many conflicting interest and influence fight that It doesn't make for them to work together.
And you really underestimate the fact that France will never want to work with Italy on a paritary level they always seen Italy as the country to influence and control not the One to have a paritary relation with especially if figure like De Gaulle take Power.
PS. Rif war was from 1921–1926
 
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It's strange how Italy ITTL despite having very different historical vicissitudes end up being, basically, an enlarged and more self-assured version of what it IS now, politically.
 
I keep my statement France and Italy cooperation doesn't make sense if you want to force It go for it but It don't make sense. It Is more probable that after democratization Germany will want Italy inside for have a better oil alternative to Russia or the UK will want Italy inside to build an alternative with It against the franco german dominance.
For the OAS It will happen regardless of the butterfly effect because France can't hold Algerian in the condition they govern it and as soon the idea of leaving Algeria poop up OAS will form. And in general we see It even today France and Italy have to many conflicting interest and influence fight that It doesn't make for them to work together.
And you really underestimate the fact that France will never want to work with Italy on a paritary level they always seen Italy as the country to influence and control not the One to have a paritary relation with especially if figure like De Gaulle take Power.
PS. Rif war was from 1921–1926
My bad was the Ifni war but the players were the same
The French can choose between the USA where they are the junior patner and everybody knows it or Italy where the situation is more on a equal level (whatever each side can believe) and they have common objectives in term of decolonization and mantain influence in the zone or being an independent player in the cold war and even today with all the conflicting interest well we a pretty much strong working relationship with the French so no i don't feel that strange that France will want someone that they think they can control and that they had to work for pratical and geopolitical reason in the EU or that they work closely.
On the other hand, Benny rethoric aside, nobody in the italian higher up had the illusion that Italy is a superpower that can stand alone, it was that way even in OTL, so even if in Rome very few will really like it (too many socialist refugee in Paris), France is the best choice as neither the UK and the USA will treat Italy much better and the highers up will trust them even less
 
As i said above multiple time a France-Italian partnership doesn't make sense, if you want to force this thing go for it. They are two country with conflicting idea, strategy and diplomacy and for the american part have the same role on european front of the cold war and as soon as France goes as usual trying to have their indipendent not pro american way Italy could present himself as the better american ally. And in general you really underestimate the fact that both country establishment don't like each other.
Because as I see it, Corsica is an issue that can very well be comparable to Cyprus and you underestimate it a lot (Italy could very well push for a doctrine in UN in which they say that Corsica Is a french colony). No less important is France which in the Second World War saw itself surpassed by Italy in importance and this is something that will be taken very badly due to their vision of Italy: in the same way there will be very bad reactions when Italy develops the atomic bomb, when Italy surpasses France in population it would be even worse if Italy obtains a permanent seat at the UN.
Tbh I will not repeat myself more because all this francophile makes no sense as far as I'm concerned.
 
Personally if i have to say as an italian i don't agree on the statement about France on the contrary personally i believe that beside the Soviet and Pan Arabism the state the Italy would see as his main rival Is France, even today when we are supposed to be ally on foreign policy France Is One of the main rival country to Italy. Also on France side they would hate to be outshined by Italy and then there Is the problem of corsica which Is a giant elephant in the room.
I'm always open to changing stuff which is inaccurate. I'm not an expert on history, so if people can articulate why something feels impossible, I'm open to changing it.

Re: Pan-Arabism
-I think i said this before, but Italy abandons the Pan-Arab angle after Mussolini dies. The Pan-Arabism push that Mussolini pursued was likely just to destabilise French and British colonial holdings, which had large Muslim populations

Re: France is a rival
-In WW2 they desperately need help, and even historically they tried to court Italian interest
-In a quid pro quo, I imagined that France (after WW2) would need any and all support for keeping their colonies in check.
-In terms of Corsica, do you have any suggestions? I can't imagine Italy pushing France over it, especially in the wake of WW2. How strongly do you feel this alliance is impossible?

Politics make strange bedfellow, anyone in charge in Italy know that they can't really compete with the big boys aka USA and URSS bloc and some help is needed expecially when the economy will go down (fascist economy management was hardly good...to use an euphemism) so an ally to get in the EEC/EU is needed.
Plus well there is the question of Algeria (and Tunisia) and this is a situation that can bring both Paris and Rome together as the first will need help to fight the insurgent and the second will want to keep the insurgent weak and on the other side.
Regarding Corsica or any other border dispute, it's more probable that after the end of WW2 even Italy get the message and accepted the number one rule of diplomacy and politics in the continent aka 'you will never ever for any damned reason even think to change the borders except for minor corrections'
Agreed, and I felt that decolonisation pressure against France might drive them closer to Italy, as a way to leverage more leniency from the US.

Tbh honest the divide with France is systemic, even when they are allies they at best tolerate each other and this Is not a situation were they work at best, for Tunisia Italy for example supported the Neo-Dustur party and It Is very likely that Italy with Spain too is the One to support the OAS against both France and the algerian, both move in anti french function and in general even for the french side being outshined by Italy would probably harsher relation from their side too. For Corsica i really doubt they will stop financing the pro italian and separatism in general because really they are an american ally but not a french one.
For the EU (which tbh i think Is some years behind without italian push for agreement like the Treaty of Rome or other) you don't need a country to sponsor you to enter but in general a lot of time the thought was that expanding the EU was a mean to prevent instability or new dictatorship to establish in those new free country and unless there are serious problematic german will Is sufficent to make other accept the entry of new country and in general if a country oppose it there Is to consider if It Is a valid reason and if the benefit of It joining outclass the malus.
But if Italy supports the OAS, then France would support the Senussi (and their successors). Like I said before, it's kind of a quid pro quo relationship.

OAS can't even be a thing due to the butterfly as the war in Algeria will be pretty much different with an italian Libya and while you don't need a sponsor to enter the EU/EEC you need an ally to do things and avoid too much pressure...and while is probable that Italy will finance (discretely) pro italian party, the times of annexation are gone the way of the dodo and anyone knows it.
Honestly it's more probable that Italy and France had worked together to keep their influence in Africa strong enough during the cold war to fight off both USA and URSS attempt to poach in their zone of influence so they started with a complicated relationships due to common interest to a working modus vivendi.
And while Italy supported the Neo-Dustur party once decolonization start and arab nationalism arise well the tune will greatly change due to sheer necessity...hell it's probable that both France and Italy will send troops and material to help Spain during the Rif wa.
Maybe OAS exists and maybe not, but there is some analogue to it.

I keep my statement France and Italy cooperation doesn't make sense if you want to force It go for it but It don't make sense. It Is more probable that after democratization Germany will want Italy inside for have a better oil alternative to Russia or the UK will want Italy inside to build an alternative with It against the franco german dominance.
For the OAS It will happen regardless of the butterfly effect because France can't hold Algerian in the condition they govern it and as soon the idea of leaving Algeria poop up OAS will form. And in general we see It even today France and Italy have to many conflicting interest and influence fight that It doesn't make for them to work together.
And you really underestimate the fact that France will never want to work with Italy on a paritary level they always seen Italy as the country to influence and control not the One to have a paritary relation with especially if figure like De Gaulle take Power.
PS. Rif war was from 1921–1926
You make some good points with France being too stubborn. I wasn't so sure about Corsica, but you make a good point that France might hold a grudge and they would be belligerent as they are both regional powers that don't quite fall in line with American agendas.

I think your Germany idea is fascinating - don't you think Fascist Austria under Italian influence would be a point of tension? How would the influence play out, culturally or politically?

It's strange how Italy ITTL despite having very different historical vicissitudes end up being, basically, an enlarged and more self-assured version of what it IS now, politically.
I'll be honest, I didn't realise how many fascists (ie MSI ties) were currently in Italian government. Kind of depressing, honestly.

My bad was the Ifni war but the players were the same
The French can choose between the USA where they are the junior patner and everybody knows it or Italy where the situation is more on a equal level (whatever each side can believe) and they have common objectives in term of decolonization and mantain influence in the zone or being an independent player in the cold war and even today with all the conflicting interest well we a pretty much strong working relationship with the French so no i don't feel that strange that France will want someone that they think they can control and that they had to work for pratical and geopolitical reason in the EU or that they work closely.
On the other hand, Benny rethoric aside, nobody in the italian higher up had the illusion that Italy is a superpower that can stand alone, it was that way even in OTL, so even if in Rome very few will really like it (too many socialist refugee in Paris), France is the best choice as neither the UK and the USA will treat Italy much better and the highers up will trust them even less
That's kind of what I was thinking. OTL, France tried to stick it out alone, but I thought they might buddy up with Italy to be the "bad boys" of Europe. Kind of like how Hungary and Poland have been best bud veto boys in the EU for a while.

As i said above multiple time a France-Italian partnership doesn't make sense, if you want to force this thing go for it. They are two country with conflicting idea, strategy and diplomacy and for the american part have the same role on european front of the cold war and as soon as France goes as usual trying to have their indipendent not pro american way Italy could present himself as the better american ally. And in general you really underestimate the fact that both country establishment don't like each other.
Because as I see it, Corsica is an issue that can very well be comparable to Cyprus and you underestimate it a lot (Italy could very well push for a doctrine in UN in which they say that Corsica Is a french colony). No less important is France which in the Second World War saw itself surpassed by Italy in importance and this is something that will be taken very badly due to their vision of Italy: in the same way there will be very bad reactions when Italy develops the atomic bomb, when Italy surpasses France in population it would be even worse if Italy obtains a permanent seat at the UN.
Tbh I will not repeat myself more because all this francophile makes no sense as far as I'm concerned.
Can you give an argument why Germany would be a better candidate for "best friend" of Italy during the Cold War? I really really want them to have at least 1 friend in "democratic Europe"
 
Updated population stats (again, not including Libya)
Year+/- p.a.PopulationOTL Population
1936+0.87%42,993,60242,993,602
1941+1.947,077,994-
1951+0.7850,750,07847,515,537
1961+0.8455,013,08450,623,569
1971+1.0560,789,45854,136,547
1981+0.9566,564,45656,556,911
1991+0.3168,627,95456,778,031
2001+0.572,059,35256,995,744
2011+1.3781,931,48359,433,744
2021 (estimate)+0.1282,914,66159,257,566

Libya estimate
Maybe something like 11 million?
I know this is a bit old, but this final number of 82M Italy+ 11M Libya are more realistic. Despite this, I still think that Italy + Libya would easily have more than 100 million inhabitants, especially considering that fascism lasted until 1994.
 
Alliance of Italy - Italy's ruling political party
Note! Some real world people and party names are used here, but they are NOT necessarily the same. Political party names especially are very derivative, and Italy ITTL has been strongly anti-leftist for 72 years. Most non-fascist parties are closer to the centre.

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Continuing off the end of the history section:
  • National Fascist Party
    • Italian Fascist Movement
    • National Alliance (abandoned "fascist" label, included monarchists)
    • Republican Bloc ("post-fascist" party, strictly anti-monarchist)
  • Alliance for Italy (social conservative party founded after 1994) -- NOT related to the real-world "Alleanza per Italia" party
In the downfall of Giovanni Goria and his Democratic Party due to corruption charges, Giovanni Alemanno is able to unite the various conservative parties (which include a lot of former fascists) and form the Alliance of Italy party. Giovanni Goria dies of his heart condition later ITTL, but still during the corruption investigation. ITTL it is a sort of conspiracy theory.

Tried to make something between Italy's Fratelli d'Italia, Forza Italia, Russia's United Russia, and Japan's LDP.
 
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