Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Dad's Army wouldn't work in KR.
- One of the central jokes is that Wilson is by temperanent and background (i.e. is upper class) better suited to being the officer and Manering the Sargent - I don't see Wilson not getting Purged or sent to Canada - sillimarly the vicar.
- In Kaiserriech the Military will lack the old boy's club that makes for some of the humour.
- Manering is a terrible officer - if it is a Milita then he just wouldn't get Elected.
- Would Jones get away with being so proud of his service in the "Imperialists" war's in the Sudan? Maybe?
- Small middle class/ inderdent trader towns like Warmington on Sea would be the Area's you would expect to be the least Poltical reliable for the UoB.
It could work with changes - might be about a factory Milita - or Loyalist volenteers.
Idea that I came up in the context of an ISOT:
Is there any basis to the special relationship being much less special in KR? It really seemed like when the syndicalists took over there wasn't like an outpouring of support for the royalists or anything. You really don't hear about Spanish Civil War-style anti-syndie volunteers coming from the U.S. to fight, though also the British Revolution was far less crazy and more immediately successful than the SCW. (I also can't even think of a historical Anglophiliac American figure that a volunteer force could name themselves after Abraham Lincoln Brigade style- maybe Alexander Hamilton Battalion?) I would assume that without U.S. entry into the Great War, the special relationship never got an upgrade without Americans and British fighting side-by-side. It seems like the KR U.S. was pretty apathetic towards the Brits and their plight, and probably viewed the militarization of Canada thanks to the exiles setting shop up there with wariness.
Also, what of my idea of renowned Anglophobe Joe Kennedy somehow becoming president of New England and instead steering that breakaway country's destiny towards the Reichspakt to avoid being absorbed by the Canadians.
Is there any basis to the special relationship being much less special in KR? It really seemed like when the syndicalists took over there wasn't like an outpouring of support for the royalists or anything. You really don't hear about Spanish Civil War-style anti-syndie volunteers coming from the U.S. to fight, though also the British Revolution was far less crazy and more immediately successful than the SCW. (I also can't even think of a historical Anglophiliac American figure that a volunteer force could name themselves after Abraham Lincoln Brigade style- maybe Alexander Hamilton Battalion?) I would assume that without U.S. entry into the Great War, the special relationship never got an upgrade without Americans and British fighting side-by-side. It seems like the KR U.S. was pretty apathetic towards the Brits and their plight, and probably viewed the militarization of Canada thanks to the exiles setting shop up there with wariness.
Also, what of my idea of renowned Anglophobe Joe Kennedy somehow becoming president of New England and instead steering that breakaway country's destiny towards the Reichspakt to avoid being absorbed by the Canadians.
Joe Kennedy leading an anti-British but still overall moderate New England is a brilliant idea now that you mention it. Would definitely make things interesting in North America aside from the Civil War. Canada could even try to do an invasion/coup, which could lead to some wacky results.
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The world set free released their Francois de La Rocque tree! He's a right wing populist and rules as a pataut until the liberation of the commune, then democratises a bit (not enought)
He OTL was the french incarnation of 1930s populism, their Huey Long, and got killed by the Vichy government
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The world set free released their Francois de La Rocque tree! He's a right wing populist and rules as a pataut until the liberation of the commune, then democratises a bit (not enought)
He OTL was the french incarnation of 1930s populism, their Huey Long, and got killed by the Vichy government
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I am really loving the stuff being said about the france rework. They give the syndicalists actually appropriate flaws and nuance without going overboard. It's basically everything I have been wanting from an internationale rework for ages.
Maybe he's just being transfered to another country, maybe to Ukraine
Eh, was also a bit of a proto-fascist as leader of the Croix de Feu so wouldn’t quite call him a Longist figure..
I think the devs said they're keeping him as a general for France, just not as a political leader.
My knowledge about him is scant, basically I saw the French KR community claiming he was their Huey Long, and so I went into croix de feu Wikipedia page where it is said that he was not a fascist, so...
From what I read he advocated a strong presidential office voted by universal suffrage, a lot of his policies were picked by de Gaulle after the liberation. He wasn't a fascist he even was a resistant during the war.
The point is more that prior to becoming a more moderate mainstream politician with his Parti Social Français (due to the Croix-de-Feu being dissolved forcibly by the state), de La Rocque was something of an ardent nationalist who supported a corporate state in which labor and capital of France united into a mythical body of sorts for the rejuvenation of the France and also led a league/paramilitary that allied itself with the extreme right. Fairly strong reasons for classifying his movement as proto-fascist just like Sorel and the Sorelians of KRTL - him dying fighting against the Vichy regime doesn't necessarily contradict this considering he was fighting against a German imposed regime and collaboration would be antithetical to his French nationalism.
According to this he seems just like a right wing populist, you have corporatism being used on non fascist ideologies, one example is the british concept of "one nation conservatism"
Another example is the Australian Labor Party’s Prices and Incomes Accord of the Hawke-Keating period.
Still, when you see corporatism alongside palingenetic nationalism and strident anti-communism, it usually means one thing.
Well, wikipedia says
"Historical debate over the PSF, like its predecessor, the Croix-de-Feu, has been driven by the question of whether they can be considered, in at least some respects, the manifestations of a "French fascism". Most contemporary French historians, notably René Rémond, Michel Winock, Jean Lacouture, and Pierre Milza, have rejected this assertion. Rémond, in his La Droite en France, identifies the PSF instead as an offshoot of the Bonapartist tradition in French right-wing politics — populist and anti-parliamentarian, but hardly fascist;"
They denounced fascism and according to the fans on that thread Francois de la Rocque was one of the first french mainstream politicians to tell about the dangers of hitler, so I see no reason (for now) to think they were fascists
I asked on the discord about the status of opposition parties in the CoF, and was told that it actually is possible for someone openly critical of the revolution to get elected on the local level, but anything higher then that is non-viable for a variety of reasons.
However, former non-socialists who agreed to pay lip service to the revolution or even outright accept it can be found at all levels of government, and will be represented by various special interest groups who take up the slots of the non-socialist ideologies in place of actual parties. The example given was that the social conservative ideology slot will be taken by catholic trade unions, and presumably some others will as well.
I asked who, if anyone, will represent the market liberals because marklib syndies are hilarious, but have yet to receive an answer. Will keep you all updated.
However, former non-socialists who agreed to pay lip service to the revolution or even outright accept it can be found at all levels of government, and will be represented by various special interest groups who take up the slots of the non-socialist ideologies in place of actual parties. The example given was that the social conservative ideology slot will be taken by catholic trade unions, and presumably some others will as well.
I asked who, if anyone, will represent the market liberals because marklib syndies are hilarious, but have yet to receive an answer. Will keep you all updated.