I will give the poll a couple more days so that the results become clearer on how slavery should be dealt with.
In terms of methodology or which colonies were admitted as provinces to the UAC?View attachment 651262
@PGSBHurricane, taking into account the above map, what the fuck is going on with the colonial admissions? You’re really not making sense.
Haiti is also blue in your North American map.View attachment 651260
Map of the New Holland partition, used white for France since blue won't be associated with them without the revolution.
Didn’t realise that I should use white back thenHaiti is also blue in your North American map.
The shape, the order the everything -just give me a run down real quickIn terms of methodology or which colonies were admitted as provinces to the UAC?
In the north, nothing changes in the continental USA too much except the Indian reserve in the North is slowly being encroached and soon the borders of New York and Pennsylvania should resemble OTL borders. The Eastern boundary is currently the Alleghany River watershed and then 78 degrees West north to Lake Ontario. The southern boundary is the tristate border point between OTL Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia, and extends to 82 degrees West. As more Iroquois members flee into Canada, the Northern Indian Reserve will eventually go away. Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are one province, St. John's (OTL Prince Edward Island) and Upper Canada are their own provinces, with Upper Canada officially the Province of Niagara in Upper Canada.The shape, the order the everything -just give me a run down real quick
Also, Louisiana is now longer under Spanish rule but British rule instead, and Nootka (Pacific northwest) is disputed between Britain and Russia.View attachment 651262
@PGSBHurricane, taking into account the above map, what the fuck is going on with the colonial admissions? You’re really not making sense.
Here's my take on the matter of slavery in the UAC:The results of the poll were interesting, and thus six options become three. Please vote as soon as possible.
How should the Union of American Commonwealths abolish slavery?
Vote Now! [Under the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833 ] [Peacefully but separately from Britain (see East India Company)] [On a province by province level]www.strawpoll.me
I personally agree that abolishing slavery peacefully nationwide in 1833 is rather utopic, to say it politely, but the results of this poll are actually surprising so far. If that option prevails, then I will be sure not to have an analog to Nat Turner's Rebellion and have there be a clause where the UAC was to pass a national gradual emancipation act which would still take several decades to wipe out slavery entirely.Here's my take on the matter of slavery in the UAC:
Peaceful, nation-wide abolition in 1833 is going to be very, very difficult, nigh impossible even. Since the cotton gin still exists and thus king cotton probably rules the south, the southern slave lobby is going to be immensely powerful within the American parliament, and would block any abolition proposal that doesn't give them enormous concessions (and even that is questionable). Britain had to pay off their slave owners IOTL to the tune of 20 Million pounds. According to this graph from Statista, one pound in 1833 was worth what just shy of 120 was worth pounds in 2019, and running that through a calculator, that gives a bill of 2.4 Billion pounds (which would equal over three billion dollars in 2019 dollars based on 2019's average exchange rate). The British abolition in 1833 freed around 800-850,000 slaves, while in the American South, the slave population was over two million, which we can still assume to be the case ITTL. That means that there are 2.5 times as many slaves in the UAC as there are in the rest of the British Empire, and assuming that the value of slaves in the UAC and the rest of the empire are the same, that means that an identical act to the 1833 Abolition in the British Empire being applied to America would cost the equivalent of 7.5 Billion USD in 2019 dollars (according to my shitty calculations). Now, that's tiny compared to federal expenditure today, but that would've been a fortune at the time, and that's not even factoring the fanaticism of the southern slave owning class and that the slave population is rapidly growing, in contrast to the Caribbean where death rates were absurdly high.
With that said, there are ways that abolition could be set into motion. For example, it was common in Latin America for Free Womb Laws to be passed, declaring that all children of slaves born after X date would become free upon reaching adulthood. Many northern states IOTL did a similar thing. While it's not ideal, it's better than nothing, and I think it would be possible in the UAC, albeit with a lot of concessions to the South. It's getting late and I've got to go to bed, so I'll just leave it there for now.
Yeah, $7.5 billion might not seem like a lot but to it in perspective that's roughly how much damage Hurricane Sally caused this past year. So it's definitely going to be expensive.Here's my take on the matter of slavery in the UAC:
Peaceful, nation-wide abolition in 1833 is going to be very, very difficult, nigh impossible even. Since the cotton gin still exists and thus king cotton probably rules the south, the southern slave lobby is going to be immensely powerful within the American parliament, and would block any abolition proposal that doesn't give them enormous concessions (and even that is questionable). Britain had to pay off their slave owners IOTL to the tune of 20 Million pounds. According to this graph from Statista, one pound in 1833 was worth what just shy of 120 was worth pounds in 2019, and running that through a calculator, that gives a bill of 2.4 Billion pounds (which would equal over three billion dollars in 2019 dollars based on 2019's average exchange rate). The British abolition in 1833 freed around 800-850,000 slaves, while in the American South, the slave population was over two million, which we can still assume to be the case ITTL. That means that there are 2.5 times as many slaves in the UAC as there are in the rest of the British Empire, and assuming that the value of slaves in the UAC and the rest of the empire are the same, that means that an identical act to the 1833 Abolition in the British Empire being applied to America would cost the equivalent of 7.5 Billion USD in 2019 dollars (according to my shitty calculations). Now, that's tiny compared to federal expenditure today, but that would've been a fortune at the time, and that's not even factoring the fanaticism of the southern slave owning class and that the slave population is rapidly growing, in contrast to the Caribbean where death rates were absurdly high.
With that said, there are ways that abolition could be set into motion. For example, it was common in Latin America for Free Womb Laws to be passed, declaring that all children of slaves born after X date would become free upon reaching adulthood. Many northern states IOTL did a similar thing. While it's not ideal, it's better than nothing, and I think it would be possible in the UAC, albeit with a lot of concessions to the South. It's getting late and I've got to go to bed, so I'll just leave it there for now.
Light Blue = FranceI don't particularly love this map but this is the best I could do for the time.
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I just realized I forgot the independent Brussels. That should be fixed now. And Red is the Duchy of WarsawLight Blue = France
Lavender = Hapsburg Monarchy
Black = Prussia
Red = Poland-Lithuania
Gold = Russian Empire
Yellow = United Netherlands
Pink = United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Hannover (Personal Union)
I'm only guessing based on the colors (not the countries)
But this is actually pretty good
Ahh....my badI just realized I forgot the independent Brussels. That should be fixed now. And Red is the Duchy of Warsaw