In OTL, Adolf Hitler is remembered as a ...complicated historical figure. He isn't remembered as being wholly good or wholly bad, but instead as an extremely complicated figure embroiled in controversy during his lifetime and remembered with a sort of extremely grudging respect by almost everyone.

An Austrian/German failed artist-turned-soldier-turned-policeman-turned-conservative politician, Hitler is a pretty obscure figure outside of Germany, remembered primarily for leading Germany for most of the Great Depression and the Second Great War and, paradoxically, preserving German Democracy by undermining it.

Hitler was, above all else, an opportunist. We see this in how eagerly he formed a coalition with radical right-wing elements such as the DNVP and NSDAP in order to get elected president, how he utilized his command over the Army and ability to rule by emergency executive order to full advantage, and in how he used the war as an excuse to annex Austria and Danzig.

However, he also did legitimately try to stay somewhat faithful to the constitution, subverting the more radical elements of his coalition's attempts to pass anything too crazy or become the dominant elements in the coalition, and eventually having quite a bit of them arrested and making a coalition with the SPD instead after a belated economic recovery and several persistent rumors of a far-right coup.

However, what if he had been a fascist? A lot of his views during and shortly after the First Great war could be described as proto-fascistic, and he admits in his autobiography that during his time infiltrating the NSDAP for the German Police, he actually began to embrace their rhetoric before he eventually became dissillusioned with the movement and disavowed many of his more extreme beleifs (although he only disavowed his rather virulent anti-semitism much later in his life).

What impact would this have had on Germany? What about the rest of the world?

This is intended as a more measured take on the "what if Hitler was good" TLs/WIs he isn't really good per se, but he isn't evil either. He's more chaotic neutral and, as I said above, an opportunist.
 
In OTL, Adolf Hitler is remembered as a ...complicated historical figure. He isn't remembered as being wholly good or wholly bad, but instead as an extremely complicated figure embroiled in controversy during his lifetime and remembered with a sort of extremely grudging respect by almost everyone.

An Austrian/German failed artist-turned-soldier-turned-policeman-turned-conservative politician, Hitler is a pretty obscure figure outside of Germany, remembered primarily for leading Germany for most of the Great Depression and the Second Great War and, paradoxically, preserving German Democracy by undermining it.

Hitler was, above all else, an opportunist. We see this in how eagerly he formed a coalition with radical right-wing elements such as the DNVP and NSDAP in order to get elected president, how he utilized his command over the Army and ability to rule by emergency executive order to full advantage, and in how he used the war as an excuse to annex Austria and Danzig.

However, he also did legitimately try to stay somewhat faithful to the constitution, subverting the more radical elements of his coalition's attempts to pass anything too crazy or become the dominant elements in the coalition, and eventually having quite a bit of them arrested and making a coalition with the SPD instead after a belated economic recovery and several persistent rumors of a far-right coup.

However, what if he had been a fascist? A lot of his views during and shortly after the First Great war could be described as proto-fascistic, and he admits in his autobiography that during his time infiltrating the NSDAP for the German Police, he actually began to embrace their rhetoric before he eventually became dissillusioned with the movement and disavowed many of his more extreme beleifs (although he only disavowed his rather virulent anti-semitism much later in his life).

What impact would this have had on Germany? What about the rest of the world?
We talking about Italian fascism or the Goering fascism (or maybe something different entirely)?
 
I don't know much about his role the Second Great War. Of course I've always heard of him, but he's not exactly as well known as Mussolini or Chamberlain. Can you elaborate on his role?
 
I don't know any Goring, Goering or Göring. Or do you mean the obscure senator from Nevada?

I think they mean Hermann Goering, the flash-in-the-pan addict tied to Theodor Morell, a somewhat notable doctor turned political influencer. The two had a bit of a toxic interaction, with Morell using drugs to keep the war hero Goering on side.
 
I don't know much about his role the Second Great War. Of course I've always heard of him, but he's not exactly as well known as Mussolini or Chamberlain. Can you elaborate on his role?
He was the guy who influenced Julius Schaub and Chiang Kai-Shek
But on the man himself, exactly what RiverDelta said.

I'll rephrase my question: We talking about the Mussolini fascism, or Schaub fascism?
 
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He was the guy who influenced Julius Schaub and Chiang Kai-Shek
But on the man himself, exactly what RiverDelta said.

I'll rephrase my question: We talking about the Mussolini fascism, Chamberlain fascism, or the Schaub fascism?

Mind that Franz Schuricht was the man behind Julius Schaub.

And I think the question does revolve around Schaub/Schuricht-type fascism.
 
I heard that he started to lean away from the party when he found out some people were killed by NSDAP supporters or something along that line
 
He was the guy who influenced Julius Schaub and Chiang Kai-Shek
But on the man himself, exactly what RiverDelta said.

I'll rephrase my question: We talking about the Mussolini fascism, Chamberlain fascism, or the Schaub fascism?

What the fuck are you talking about? Chamberlain wasn't a fascist at all.

OOC: I think you're a bit confused. @Brady Kj is talking about Hitler, not Goering.
 
I heard that he started to lean away from the party when he found out some people were killed by NSDAP supporters or something along that line

Wasn't that this other radical? I thought Hitler turned away from that NSDAP (why is that thing called "Socialist... Workers' Party" anyway?) when he fell in love with a Jewish (even Lithuanian-Jewish AFAIK?) woman in Vilnius.
 
Wasn't that this other radical? I thought Hitler turned away from that NSDAP (why is that thing called "Socialist... Workers' Party" anyway?) when he fell in love with a Jewish (even Lithuanian-Jewish AFAIK?) woman in Vilnius.
Wait your right
I was thinking of Strasser
Wait didn't Strasser later become friends with Hitler or something
Also, she wasn't Jewish, she was Lithuanian though.
Like Scorpio Retender said earlier, Hitler did not denounce his anti-semitism until he was much older.
 
I had read a few excerpts from his memoirs, he admitted to a profound nostalgia for his time in the army, and that his years flirting directly with DAP (as it was called during his time monitoring it) was partly influenced by his desire to fight a new conflict in the form of a fascist revolution. A timeline where he falls into the rabbit-hole and gets a position in the leadership might cause that party to attempt a coup, which would probably lead to him and the rest of the leadership being shot or hanged and the government clamping down on far-right groups. It seems like whatever timeline he's in he's destined to be a poisoned chalice for German fascism :)
 
I'll rephrase my question: We talking about the Mussolini fascism, or Schaub fascism?

Probably Mussolini-esque fascism, but with a more blatantly anti-semetic tilt. Or he might embrace the more bizarre and, if we're being honest here, rather batshit insane beliefs of other prominent members of the NSDAP.
 
Probably Mussolini-esque fascism, but with a more blatantly anti-semetic tilt. Or he might embrace the more bizarre and, if we're being honest here, rather batshit insane beliefs of other prominent members of the NSDAP.
Oh, please. Do you really see the likes of Streicher getting anywhere near power? Hell, these people are so footnote-y that's the only one I can think of!
 
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