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What if Charles I and Sixtus could plan with the Entente for an Austrian White Peace? Would Austria become Neutral or invade Germany? How would this affect the relations between Vienna and berlin? How does this affect the future of Europe?
 
What if Charles I and Sixtus could plan with the Entente for an Austrian White Peace? Would Austria become Neutral or invade Germany? How would this affect the relations between Vienna and berlin? How does this affect the future of Europe?
Well first Charles and co. need to accept that they need to give up something to Italy OTL they were extremely generous with things that they don't own but don't want give up anything of theirs and second they need to survive the eventual reaction of the Germans frankly they risk to go the route of Italy in WW2 post 8 september
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Well first Charles and co. need to accept that they need to give up something to Italy OTL they were extremely generous with things that they don't own but don't want give up anything of theirs and second they need to survive the eventual reaction of the Germans frankly they risk to go the route of Italy in WW2 post 8 september
An equivalent of Operation Achse in WWI would see the Austrian-Hungarian fleet going over to the Allies and maybe two-thirds of Hungary Transleithania and the whole frontline area with Italy - which you are correct, must be diplomatically pledged to Italy. Meanwhile the Germans would likely occupy nearly all Cisleithania and a third of Hungary including Budapest and disarm and incorporate KUK forces, possibly only leaving purely German and Hungarian and possibly Polish or Croatian formations armed while assigning disarmed Italians, Vlachs, south Slavs, Czechs and Slovaks to “labor battalions”.
 
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A-H should still cede lot of regions to other nations. And it has too face wrath of Germany when Germans realise that A-H has betrayed that.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
An equivalent of Operation Achse in WWI would see the Austrian-Hungarian fleet going over to the Allies and maybe two-thirds of Hungary Transleithania and the whole frontline area with Italy - which you are correct, must be diplomatically pledged to Italy. Meanwhile the Germans would likely occupy nearly all Cisleithania and a third of Hungary including Budapest and disarm and incorporate KUK forces, possibly only leaving purely German and Hungarian and possibly Polish or Croatian formations armed while assigning disarmed Italians, Vlachs, south Slavs, Czechs and Slovaks to “labor battalions”.
Now treat this estimate with caution. It is reasoning by rough analogy, with what Nazi Germany was able to grab from its demoralized ally in WWII, Fascist Italy. WWI Germany, may, or may not, have the mobility, dexterity, and ruthlessness to dispatch Austro-Hungarian forces so quickly and secure control over so much of the Dual Monarchy's territory. Maybe it would not grab as much. Maybe it would grab more of it, and occupied territories beyond. Hard to say.
 
An equivalent of Operation Achse in WWI would see the Austrian-Hungarian fleet going over to the Allies and maybe two-thirds of Hungary Transleithania and the whole frontline area with Italy - which you are correct, must be diplomatically pledged to Italy. Meanwhile the Germans would likely occupy nearly all Cisleithania and a third of Hungary including Budapest and disarm and incorporate KUK forces, possibly only leaving purely German and Hungarian and possibly Polish or Croatian formations armed while assigning disarmed Italians, Vlachs, south Slavs, Czechs and Slovaks to “labor battalions”.
I don't see this happening at all. The sixtus affair happened in 1917, in 1917 Germany was spread then across all fronts, they just lost at Verdun and the Somme. They do not have the manpower to occupy all of cisleithania. And this ignores the 1.7 or so million Austrian troops that just got freed up from the Italian front. They aren't going to sit around while the empire is invaded. Germany can't touch any Austrian territory, they don't have the manpower and Austria does. And that's not accounting for the troops coming in from the east either.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
@Bones101 - The Germans will have a hard time of it and do not have a lot of flexibility, but I do have questions about this:

And this ignores the 1.7 or so million Austrian troops that just got freed up from the Italian front. They aren't going to sit around while the empire is invaded. Germany can't touch any Austrian territory, they don't have the manpower and Austria does. And that's not accounting for the troops coming in from the east either.
The big questions are the morale, willingness, and ability of Austro-Hungarian forces to hold together as coherent units during a surrender process ordered by the Emperor, that will have to involve territorial concessions that many of the nationalities in the force will intensely hate.

Sitting around actually starts to sound more attractive than the alternative of exchanging fire with Germans trying to move through from whatever direction if you've come to the depressing decision you've lost the war and you're accepting peace. For Germans and Magyars in the force, accepting it is not really peace, but also changing sides to risk their lives in fire fights with the Germans is a hard sell. A lot of standing around, sitting around, and desertions and heading home, possibly while trying to hold on to weapons, would probably take place, in an ordered seperate peace with sacrifices scenario.

There would be German forces in several locations touching Austria-Hungary, some in Galicia, some in occupied Romania, some hosted by Bulgaria, some in occupied Serbia. They'd face serious vulnerabilities, being outnumbered by defecting Austro-Hungarians and dependent on Austrian transportation lines, but there could be significant offsetting from their command having a single coherent purpose and intent to preserve themselves, support each other and unite with other German forces, and they were better tactically, while the Austro-Hungarian units and commanders would be or more varied and depressed morale and differing goals.
 

Garrison

Donor
The Germans don't have the manpower or the mobility to respond in the way they did in 1943, and they will face questions on the homefront if the Austrians drop out of the war.
 
Lets be clear, Germany are not going to be invading Austria-Hungary. With what army? Germany doesn't have troops to throw around, and the pressure on the Eastern Front is only going to increase with Austria-Hungary bowing out. The German government will be livid, but they don't have the capability to open a third front.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
What if Charles I and Sixtus could plan with the Entente for an Austrian White Peace?
In 1917, the Entente as a whole would not see a white peace, if that is defined as restoration of pre-war territorial status quo, as satisfactory. Nor would they see a white peace, if defined as making peace along the current battlefield status quo lines, as satisfactory either. Italy would be least satisfied of all.

Italy would bitterly resign from the Entente war effort if other Entente and Associated powers (Britain, France, USA, Russia) agreed to a peace that did not get Italy all, or most, of its promised Treaty of London gains, so the Entente would lose an ally.

Worse, if the Entente does get Austria-Hungary to drop out of the war in exchange for territorial concessions to Italy, they avoid enraging Italy, and avoid Italy formally quitting, but Italy's actually level of effort and enthusiasm for additional fighting directly against Germany and non-Austrian foes once they have pocketed desired territories from Austria is not likely to be high.
Would Austria become Neutral or invade Germany?
Austria would in all likelihood be most preferring to get out of the war by getting out of the war, thus turning neutral and reducing its burdens. It is not really interested in engaging in difficult fighting with the Germans, even it expects the Germans to lose. Austria has a historical claim to Silesia, sure, but Austria likely does not see Silesia as worth the price of tough fighting and hazards of combat, and Hungary likely would not want Austria to win and increase the Cisleithanian half of the empire.

But a purely neutral Austria does very little, by itself, for the Entente, the Entente will not want the Austro-Hungarian Empire to have the neutral right of territorial inviolability like Switzerland, Sweden, or Netherlands. They would instead insist on being able to transit through Austro-Hungarian territory to attack the Germans from a new direction, for a settlement to be worth their while. Otherwise, all that Austria-Hungary dropping out of the war accomplishes is liberation of minor occupied Entente nations like Montenegro, Serbia, and Romania, cutting of German communications with Bulgaria and Turkey, easing the pressure on tiring Russia and Italy [and getting territory for the latter], and allowing Western Allied disentanglement from the Balkans and Italy to reconcentrate in the west, but does very little to directly make progress defeating Germany on the main western front.

How would this affect the relations between Vienna and berlin?
Really, really badly. To Berlin, this will be a stab in the back. A notorious betrayal. Berlin risked all for its Viennese friends, following them into war, and now the Viennese quit first, leaving them holding the bag. Outrageous.

Well first Charles and co. need to accept that they need to give up something to Italy OTL they were extremely generous with things that they don't own but don't want give up anything of theirs
Yes, the Austro-Hungarians would have to give up something to the Italians for the Italians to not veto acceptance and not have a fit. Would Vienna have to give up exactly everything in the London Treaty (which the Austrians may not have known the exact contents of), for the Italians and Entente to accept an Austro-Hungarian separate peace? Or could they concede a lesser version of Italia Irredenta? Would an offer a significant Italia Irredenta, but maybe short of the London Treaty, plus evacuation of occupied Balkan territories and Russian territories, have been enough for Clemenceau, Lloyd George, Wilson, and the Russians to start thinking this is a really good opportunity for a deal?

A-H should still cede lot of regions to other nations.
Does A-H really need to cede pre-war territory to any Entente country, except Italy? America, Britain, and France do not want any territory from AH. Serbia and Romania want territory from AH, but are fully or partly occupied by A-H and other CPs, along with Montenegro. Isn't that a "beggars can't be choosers" situation, where simply freeing them from occupation, but not giving them Bosnia or Transylvania, is enough? And Russia hasn't specified exactly if it wants any "annexations or indemnities". Some parties do (want places like Austrian East Galicia), some parties don't, but at this point, spring and summer 1917, we are after the first Russian Revolution, discipline in the Russian Army is disintegrating, and the CPs, occupy much more Russian territory, in Poland and Lithuania and Latvia, than the Russians occupy of Austrian territory.

and second they need to survive the eventual reaction of the Germans frankly they risk to go the route of Italy in WW2 post 8 september
And it has too face wrath of Germany when Germans realise that A-H has betrayed that.
Other participants have been strongly questioning the Germans ability to move and stretch their overtaxed forces to do any real serious punishment or occupation of the Austro-Hungarians if they try to peace out or turn coat. @Bones101 @Garrison and @Mynock don't think they can do it at all.

What do you think of their argument? Is the wrath of Germany really a serious concern?

@Bones101 @Garrison and @Mynock - You are raising good points about Germany's stretched positions and deployments in 1917. But I will have to say I do not find this particular point from @Mynock very persuasive:

and the pressure on the Eastern Front is only going to increase with Austria-Hungary bowing out.
Remember, this is spring-summer 1917, this is disintegrating, Army discipline and morale fraying, Provisional Government Russia we are talking about. Austro-Hungarians or no Austro-Hungarians manning the front, they are not a force capable of mounting offensive pressure. Some very few of the units can do brief offensive (depending on the opposition), more can do OK at defense, more than that can do unopposed, administrative advances, but even with Austro-Hungarians dropping out they can be easily checked by any German defensive or counter-offensive effort wherever its met. Austria-Hungary dropping out mainly does a lot more to help the Provisional Government and Army survive and demobilize with a semblance of order than it does to actually help it make new contributions to victory.
 
If Austria gets attacked by Germany and the attack presumably fails, can Austria plausibly get territory from Germany? It could enable France to cripple Germany further and Austria can come out of the war with net territorial gains along with Serbia and Romania destroyed. Could portions of Bavaria, Silesia or Saxony be on the table?
 
Remember, this is spring-summer 1917, this is disintegrating, Army discipline and morale fraying, Provisional Government Russia we are talking about. Austro-Hungarians or no Austro-Hungarians manning the front, they are not a force capable of mounting offensive pressure. Some very few of the units can do brief offensive (depending on the opposition), more can do OK at defense, more than that can do unopposed, administrative advances, but even with Austro-Hungarians dropping out they can be easily checked by any German defensive or counter-offensive effort wherever its met. Austria-Hungary dropping out mainly does a lot more to help the Provisional Government and Army survive and demobilize with a semblance of order than it does to actually help it make new contributions to victory.
The Russian Army of 1917 is incredibly brittle, but as of early 1917 it is still intact. Simply by consolidating their forces on the shorter German frontline they exert pressure on the Germans. On offensive the army could very easily disintegrate but if they stand on the defensive I see them almost acting as a fleet in being.
 
No matter the details, if this gets through Germany is going to loose and earlier. If it tries to move against A-H or not, how successfully, etc is only a matter of degrees of being screwed.

A more interesting scenario would be Charles being obstinate regarding the Italian claims, which were substantial after all, yet instead of the peace effort failing, Britain and France decide that given Italys craptastic performance in the war to actually give A-H a White Peace. If Italy gets pissed and continues fighting A-H on it's own, while signing a White Peace with Germany, so what? Removing Italy from the Entente and A-H from the CP is still a big net gain for the Entente and Italy has hardly a leg to stand on regarding double-dealing. Then assuming Germany is defeated, yet A-H holds of Italy and survives, that will make a much more interesting ATL post-GreatWar world.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
No matter the details, if this gets through Germany is going to loose and earlier. If it tries to move against A-H or not, how successfully, etc is only a matter of degrees of being screwed.

A more interesting scenario would be Charles being obstinate regarding the Italian claims, which were substantial after all, yet instead of the peace effort failing, Britain and France decide that given Italys craptastic performance in the war to actually give A-H a White Peace. If Italy gets pissed and continues fighting A-H on it's own, while signing a White Peace with Germany, so what? Removing Italy from the Entente and A-H from the CP is still a big net gain for the Entente and Italy has hardly a leg to stand on regarding double-dealing. Then assuming Germany is defeated, yet A-H holds of Italy and survives, that will make a much more interesting ATL post-GreatWar world.
What's your definition of a white peace:

status quo ante bellum - all sides go back to the territory they had before the war

uti possedetis - all sides stop the fighting and just hold on to the territories they have, right now

And what are the obligations of A-H to the Entente if the latter give the former a White Peace? 1) A-H goes neutral and stops shooting at the Allies and aiding the German war effort? 2) Or something more like A-H needs to open its territory for Allied forces to move through? 3) Or A-H is obligated to declare war on Germany?

Would #1 by itself be really worth anything to the Entente?
 
Yes, the Austro-Hungarians would have to give up something to the Italians for the Italians to not veto acceptance and not have a fit. Would Vienna have to give up exactly everything in the London Treaty (which the Austrians may not have known the exact contents of), for the Italians and Entente to accept an Austro-Hungarian separate peace? Or could they concede a lesser version of Italia Irredenta? Would an offer a significant Italia Irredenta, but maybe short of the London Treaty, plus evacuation of occupied Balkan territories and Russian territories, have been enough for Clemenceau, Lloyd George, Wilson, and the Russians to start thinking this is a really good opportunity for a deal?
Everything promised by the Treaty of London will be the initial position of the italian government (as it was OTL) but if unlike OTL negotiation are serious, everyone know that obtain what promised by the ToL will be impossible and concession will need to be given (Paris and London will make sure that Rome will understand this).
Realistically A-H concession to Italy will be something more than what promised for italian neutrality (the Trentino border will be more favorable to Italy, probably the strategic zone of Tarvisio will be added to the land offered and some concession both economic and cultural regarding Trieste and Fiume) but i seriously doubt that Wien will offer more than than, already this offer in their eyes is beyond extraordinary and nothing more can be added.
 
No matter the details, if this gets through Germany is going to loose and earlier. If it tries to move against A-H or not, how successfully, etc is only a matter of degrees of being screwed.

A more interesting scenario would be Charles being obstinate regarding the Italian claims, which were substantial after all, yet instead of the peace effort failing, Britain and France decide that given Italys craptastic performance in the war to actually give A-H a White Peace. If Italy gets pissed and continues fighting A-H on it's own, while signing a White Peace with Germany, so what? Removing Italy from the Entente and A-H from the CP is still a big net gain for the Entente and Italy has hardly a leg to stand on regarding double-dealing. Then assuming Germany is defeated, yet A-H holds of Italy and survives, that will make a much more interesting ATL post-GreatWar world.
Everything promised by the Treaty of London will be the initial position of the italian government (as it was OTL) but if unlike OTL negotiation are serious, everyone know that obtain what promised by the ToL will be impossible and concession will need to be given (Paris and London will make sure that Rome will understand this).
Realistically A-H concession to Italy will be something more than what promised for italian neutrality (the Trentino border will be more favorable to Italy, probably the strategic zone of Tarvisio will be added to the land offered and some concession both economic and cultural regarding Trieste and Fiume) but i seriously doubt that Wien will offer more than than, already this offer in their eyes is beyond extraordinary and nothing more can be added.
The extent of the claims Italy were willing to accept may not have been that large. Allegedly Cadorna had people meeting with the Austrians talking about settling for Trentino and parts of modern Friuli-Venezia Giulia. I think those terms could be lenient enough for AH to stomach, and Italy could be modified by a good share when the Entente got around to carving up the Ottomans. OTL they planned to establish a colony called Lycia in south Anatolia, that could be enlarged. The Entente were pretty set on carving up the Ottomans, with the war ending a year earlier and no October Revolution they may be able to enforce it properly as well.

On the future of Europe I've been looking into this POD. Specifically in Britain, this avoids the Irish Conscription Crisis. The IPP had started to make a comeback in by-elections as the Easter Uprising receded into the past but the conscription crisis specifically eviscerated support for the IPP and increased support for the more radical Sinn Féin. In a hypothetical late 1917 election I see Irish MPs split much more evenly between the IPP and Sinn Féin which will have a massive effect on Irish and British history. You could get anything from an OTL-ish republic to a dominion to a precarious home rule deal.
Britain also might not have the Representation of the People Act passed before the post-war election which might be fought on a more limited franchise. That act extended the electorate from 7.7 million who had been entitled to vote in 1912 to 21.4 million by the end of 1918, the election would have been very different without it.
 
And what are the obligations of A-H to the Entente if the latter give the former a White Peace? 1) A-H goes neutral and stops shooting at the Allies and aiding the German war effort? 2) Or something more like A-H needs to open its territory for Allied forces to move through? 3) Or A-H is obligated to declare war on Germany?

Would #1 by itself be really worth anything to the Entente?
If memory serves OTL talks involved discussion of an AH embargo against the Germans. Militarily AH wasn't the most useful but economically they were a vital partner to the Germans.
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
OK - it looks like, with the help of @lukedalton and @Mynock especially, we have the outlines of a deal:

Key points include:
1. Austro-Hungarian - Entente mutual armistice and release of all PoWs, likely Entente PoWs first
2. Austrian territorial concessions to Italy, defined by these parameters, implementation beginning the moment of armistice, and completion within five days:
Realistically A-H concession to Italy will be something more than what promised for italian neutrality (the Trentino border will be more favorable to Italy, probably the strategic zone of Tarvisio will be added to the land offered and some concession both economic and cultural regarding Trieste and Fiume)
3. Austro-Hungarian withdrawal from any non-Austro-Hungarian fronts (on Turkish, Bulgarian, German land)
4. Austro-Hungarian release of Romania and Serbia and Montenegro (its "zones" of these countries) from Austro-Hungarian occupation and release of the PoWs it holds from these countries back to freedom in their homelands.
5. A reciprocal pledge from the Romanian and Serbian and Montenegrin governments, or if not these governments, the PoWs themselves, to not resume fighting after release, sort of like old-fashioned prisoner parole.
6. Austro-Hungarian withdrawal from Russian territory and release of Russian PoWs
7. Austro-Hungarian expulsion of the military personnel of other Central Powers' (German, Bulgarian, Ottoman) from its territories and occupied territories within a 48 or 72 hour deadline after the effective hour of the armistice.
8. An Austro-Hungarian embargo against the Central Powers within five days of the armistice, or "with all haste" after completion of the military repatriation and territorial provisions of the armistice, whichever comes later.

When is the likely time, in 1917 for this deal to be first agreed upon between the relevant heads of state, then more importantly, the sealed orders to be issued to commanders, and then the armistice and terms to be implemented and go into effect? Sometime midsummer?

During the long Flanders battles, well after the Neville debacle, perhaps right before, or during, the Kerensky offensive, but before the German Riga offensive or Caporetto? Perhaps about time coincident with the July(?) German and Austrian limited mutinies against naval inactivity?

Austro-Hungarian desertion of the war effort would be a great relief for the Entente and Americans, and a great stress on the Germans and its other junior partners. I imagine the Austro-Hungarians would use the embargo, repatriation of their own troops, and partial demobilization, to guard their own borders (reduced now in relation to Italy) against possible German retaliation, to maintain internal order and preempt escalation of intercommunal/interethnic and labor violence, and seek to ensure the fall harvest and reduction of wartime obligations to its own forces and embargo of of other CPs can stabilize the food situation and help public order over the fall and winter.

Austro-Hungarian desertion of the war effort should be a life saver for the Russian Provisional government. German eastward-looking offensive planning is greatly complicated by the loss of Austrian troops as partners in any maneuver operations or static garrison forces protecting German flanks. German forces still tactically outclass the Russians, and the latter do not have good prospects making any offensive headway against German forces, but even the German assault to seize Riga in September 1917 is put in doubt.

It seems to me that Austro-Hungarian desertion would raise near-panicked alarms about being isolated and defeated in detail in Bulgaria and Ottoman Turkey. Probably first in Bulgaria, which needs to deal with sudden national revivals in Serbia and Romania, even though its containment of the Entente on the Macedonian-Salonika front has been successful thus far.

Bulgaria will probably be seeking a diplomatic exit from the war almost immediately upon seeing what happened with Austria-Hungary. I think for its first offer to the Entente (maybe directly, maybe via the Americans) the Bulgarians would try to hold on to maximum dignity. If they are gutsy, that might mean trying to see if the big Allies would let them out still in possession of Macedonia and Dobruja in exchange for quitting the war or possibly changing sides. That would be pretty gutsy and unlikely to be accepted.

A more realistic offer would be to try to get out of the war with pre-war Bulgarian territory intact, full cooperation with the Allies, demobilization, but no special demilitarization provisions included in the armistice.

Would the Entente go for a deal like this, simply to hasten the momentum of Central Powers quitting the war and German isolation? Or would they more arrogantly insist on more punitive terms or safeguards, like Bulgarian compensatory territorial concessions to Serbia, concession of west Thrace to Greece, and deep demilitarization, figuring Bulgaria both deserves it, and Bulgaria will inevitably have to give way in a few weeks or a month or so, now that Austria is out?

Similarly for the Ottomans. Here I would expect the Entente would hold out for the Ottomans to disarm themselves into helplessness Mudros-style, to enable the Entente to parcel out the full extent of territorial claims. This may slow down Ottoman surrender a bit - they still had not lost Jerusalem yet, for example. But Ottoman capitulation should be a mere matter of weeks after Bulgarian.

Notwithstanding how soon Bulgarian or the Ottoman Empire capitulate, the capitulation of Austria-Hungary, followed by the Austro-Hungarian expulsion of German forces and embargo, will leave Germany very shaken and pessimistic as it goes into the fall and winter. It won't be cause for immediate collapse. It's tactical defensive situation in the west is just too strong for that. [although, anybody want to disagree?]

Calls for peace negotiations and reformed governance will grow louder and spread wider in the Reichstag, on the streets and in media, and in private government discussions.

How will the war end here, and what month will it end? As we get to October and November 1917, the British are delivering terrific punishment to the German forces on the western front in Flanders, although the Germans have a bit of an advantage in the air battle. The Germans are just fortunate that the French are not yet sufficiently recovered from the Nivelle debacle to add a great deal more pressure, and the Americans have not arrived in sufficient mass on the front-line to contribute significantly either. The U-Boat warfare campaign is of declining efficiency and efficacy compared to its mid-summer highs.

The Russians do not really have any offensive impetus, but are an army in being, with only long-occupied and highly damaged and picked over Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia available to exploit for its harvests. And Germany always needs to worry about the consequences if the traitorous Austro-Hungarians go beyond their armistice and self-neutralization from the war and came to an agreement to allow Entente forces, Italian, Russian, Balkan, western, to advance into unguarded southern and eastern Germany through Austria-Hungary's road and rail network. Worse yet, as much as Berlin may fear this scenario, it does not have the troops and formations to cover this basically unguarded frontier.

Under these strained circumstances, I would think the Germans would not have much hope for massing the bulk of their forces to gain numerical superiority in the west for a spring offensive to beat the arrival of American reinforcements - while also being confident in having a secure rear to the east and southeast. The Entente, mainly British Empire, force, kept on doing major assaults in Flanders into November, and anti-Ottoman operations into December and the winter, making Jerusalem, if not also Constantinople and Damascus, a Christmas gift for his majesty. So, the Entente could genuinely consider launching another major western front offensive in the springtime. Or they could wait till summertime to let the Americans and French pay more of the butcher's bill. It all depends whether they value haste in ending the war more versus managing and balancing losses across the coalition more.

Germany could quite plausibly sue for peace, seeing no way for its situation to improve, during the winter 1917-18 months, or early spring 1918, even before test by a major 1918 Entente offensive. How would such an armistice compare with OTL in its territorial, reparations, and disarmament terms.

I would note that while I'm sure there would be more concrete definition of Entente and even American war and peace aims in the final months of the war, there is not guarantee we would see exactly what we saw in the OTL 14 Points. Those points, and some parallel points raised by Lloyd George, were significantly released in response to Lenin's embarrassing release of the Allied secret treaties, which would not happen here, in an ATL without the Bolshevik revolution.

However, France would certainly demand and get back Alsace-Lorraine, and the western powers would probably feel most comfortable with an armistice forcing the German Army back behind the Rhine, regardless of what is done, or not done, to the political status of the Rhineland or the Saar. However, it is not foreordained that Germany would suffer eastern territorial losses to serve the interests of a new Polish state. The idea certainly was in the air already, but here it is complicated by the continued existence of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and a Russian Republic with suzerainty over its own set of Polish lands. While both Austria-Hungary and the Russian Republic will be allowing greater or lesser degrees of Polish (and other ethnicity's) autonomy or even home rule, neither is likely to go out of their way to push a project to "unify" Polish lands. The Tsarist regime early on in the war expressed some greed for Austrian and German Polish lands, but likely by this stage in the war, the leading parties in the barely holding on Russian Republic will be Socialists of varying kinds, wanting to show they are eager for peace, fond of the slogan "no annexations or indemnities" and not wanting to be seen making demands that look like they would slow down the end of the war. So that raises significantly the chance of the status quo international partition borders dividing Poland remaining, even while Germany's borders with Denmark, Belgium, and France change.
 
2. Austrian territorial concessions to Italy, defined by these parameters, implementation beginning the moment of armistice, and completion within five days:
I am not convinced that the Austro-Hungarians need to offer territorial concession. Serbia and Romania are under Central Powers occupation, Russia is in no position to be making territorial demands of A-H in 1917 and Italy isn't doing particularly well on their front either. Its just as plausible that British and French decide to throw the Balkans and Italy under the bus and accept a status quo ante bellum peace with the Habsburgs to turn their full attention to Germany, Bulgaria, and the Ottomans.
 
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