Alt-History Aftermath Scenarios Implied by Media

[ThePicene]

Indio Black (published internationally as the third episode in the Sabata trilogy, apparently) is a classical Spaghetti Western B-movie published at the last tail end of the Western boom. It has the distinction of being set specifically during the reign of Maximilian in Mexico. Despite him being put in power by the French, the fact that he is an Habsburg means that the whole of Mexico is shown full of Austrian troops and commanders (including the monocle-wearing villain of the movie). As a matter of fact, the official blurb for the movie that's released around speaks of how "Mexico is still a province of the Austrian empire of Maximilian".

 

[Ogrebear]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

Consider it also seems to flag super powers, supported by fairies and witches throughout European history as having a "mandate from heaven", stretching from King Arthur to the modern period....

 

[BrockSampson]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

Another Disney animated film, The Little Mermaid has an entire kingdom realize that Mermaids and the lost city of Atlantis exist right off their coastline. Aladdin has genies and magic known to exist in a kingdom somewhere in the Fertile Crescent. The Emperor’s New Groove has a rather large and somewhat advanced empire in South America too.

 

[Emote Control]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

At least it wasn't the early 19th century. After the Revolution, a suddenly reappeared French Prince would be lucky to survive the week.

 

[Gokbay]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

Well, morganatic marriage normally means loss of succession rights, which is a rather elegant solution towards how the succession rights work with his sudden return

They don't change cause marrying Belle is effectively abdication.

 

[Mitridates the Great]

Beauty and the Beast (Disney version) - the Enchantress cursed everyone to forget about the Prince, his House, castle, servants etc on Christmas Eve. So a 11 year old Prince of France just vanishes- presumably everyone just thought he died? Or simply slid over his name on documents/family trees/etc.

For 10 years the Prince is gone. Then suddenly a Castle and a household just appear out from the woods along with a 21 year old claiming to be a Prince! With an incredible tale of magic, beasts, and True Love. However, said Prince also wants to marry a Commoner!

How does mid-18thC (approx 1740) France react to suddenly having a new Prince? Whom gets bumped down the pecking order? How does Prince X reintegrate into society? How much of a scandal is Belle? How do the servants families react to 10 year missing members turning back up? Is magic a known thing in this world and thus everyone belives their story if not how does that go down?

Note: The Beast does not have an official name so I have not included it. Adam is not canon.

You're assuming Beast really wants to assume the throne, that's not so sure...

 

[Peppe]

Well, morganatic marriage normally means loss of succession rights, which is a rather elegant solution towards how the succession rights work with his sudden return

They don't change cause marrying Belle is effectively abdication.

Funnily enough, morganatic marriage wasn’t a concept recognized by French law, and for all intents and purposes a royal could marry a subject without losing inheritance rights

 

[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

I'm watching a Simpson's Halloween episode, the current skit(?) is the "Homega Man", where an insult by Springfield Mayor Quimby enrages a generic French president enough to attack Springfield with a neutron bomb

So, what all would happen?

Keep in mind that this is the Simpsons...

 

[BrockSampson]

I'm watching a Simpson's Halloween episode, the current skit(?) is the "Homega Man", where an insult by Springfield Mayor Quimby enrages a generic French president enough to attack Springfield with a neutron bomb

So, what all would happen?

Keep in mind that this is the Simpsons...

France gets kicked out of NATO, sanctioned to all hell, and faces military retaliation from the US. “Freedom fries” become a thing again and history books are rewritten to downplay the French role in the American Revolution and emphasize how the US assisted (although likely written as “saved”) France in both world wars.

If the French are lucky, the people will have overthrown the government, arrested the generals who authorized the strike, and handed them over to The Hague. That won’t save them from retaliation but should keep bombs from raining on their cities.

 

[Danthefan28]

France gets kicked out of NATO, sanctioned to all hell, and faces military retaliation from the US. “Freedom fries” become a thing again and history books are rewritten to downplay the French role in the American Revolution and emphasize how the US assisted (although likely written as “saved”) France in both world wars.

If the French are lucky, the people will have overthrown the government, arrested the generals who authorized the strike, and handed them over to The Hague. That won’t save them from retaliation but should keep bombs from raining on their cities.

Also, the American government would begin a slow and gradual reclamation of Springfield, likely having to clear it of the irradiated albino mutants, if there's any left, seeing how Homer and his family were quick to gun them down.

 

[Mitridates the Great]

I'm watching a Simpson's Halloween episode, the current skit(?) is the "Homega Man", where an insult by Springfield Mayor Quimby enrages a generic French president enough to attack Springfield with a neutron bomb

So, what all would happen?

Keep in mind that this is the Simpsons...

Given the fact that the United States did not intercept the missile, this allows us to assume that one of these options happens:

1) The United States is much weaker than in OTL, which means that they will do nothing not to escalate the conflict.

2) The US wanted to destroy Springfield anyway, but they didn't want to do it themselves, so they let the French do it. So nothing will be done.

3) The United States makes an equivalent exchange in which they destroy the French version of Springfield. The thing stays like this.

 

[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

Given the fact that the United States did not intercept the missile, this allows us to assume that one of these options happens:

1) The United States is much weaker than in OTL, which means that they will do nothing not to escalate the conflict.

2) The US wanted to destroy Springfield anyway, but they didn't want to do it themselves, so they let the French do it. So nothing will be done.

3) The United States makes an equivalent exchange in which they destroy the French version of Springfield. The thing stays like this.

Any guesses what would be the French version of Springfield?

Probably close to the German border...

 

[Danthefan28]

Any guesses what would be the French version of Springfield?

Probably close to the German border...

 

[Aluma]

Not sure if it meets the media criteria but it certainly implies a scenario, in fact I'd consider it a archeological AH

 

[treefreak32]

Another Disney animated film, The Little Mermaid has an entire kingdom realize that Mermaids and the lost city of Atlantis exist right off their coastline.

An old history-loving friend of mine (she's probably on this site!) tried to calculate what year the movie took place in using clues from it (technology, the name of the Prince, cultural references) but I unfortunately forget what her conclusion was.
That being said, if Eric inherits the throne and has children with Ariel, the royal family will be part-Mermaid!

 

[BrockSampson]

An old history-loving friend of mine (she's probably on this site!) tried to calculate what year the movie took place in using clues from it (technology, the name of the Prince, cultural references) but I unfortunately forget what her conclusion was.

A friend and I tried to do the same and the best we came up with was 1500s Portugal.

That being said, if Eric inherits the throne and has children with Ariel, the royal family will be part-Mermaid!

There is a sequel based around Eric and Ariel's daughter actually. I never saw it as it was way after my time.

 

[treefreak32]

There is a sequel based around Eric and Ariel's daughter actually. I never saw it as it was way after my time.

I've heard it's terrible. The villain is Ursula's sister, who just looks like a skinny Ursula.

 

[Aluma]

A friend and I tried to do the same and the best we came up with was 1500s Portugal

Wait so we were ruled by fish?
Lovecraft sure would have something to say about this...

 

[treefreak32]

Aladdin has genies and magic known to exist in a kingdom somewhere in the Fertile Crescent.

Aladdin is an interesting example. I believe the creators have stated that Agrabah is supposed to be Bagdad. As well, the outfits worn by the characters (especially Jasmine, but not just her) are pretty anachronistic, and so one can assume a different cultural history regarding modesty and such.
Perhaps more interestingly, the story it's based on from 1001 Nights is actually set in China, which is said to be ruled by a Sultan, and everyone seems Muslim. This certainly has repercussions, as it (possibly) implies an Islamic China in the middle ages.