AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

Illyrian Goths

Language: Illyrian Gothic, an east germanic language influenced by greek, vulgar latin and ancient illyrian languages.
Ancestry: The descendants of goths who survived in the illyrian alps when Rhomania reconquered the region.
Religion: Orthodox Christianity, Patriarchate of Constantinople
Culture: Southern European
Region: Illyrian Alps, illyrian hintherland.
Population size: 950,000 in Illyria (Gothia), 200,000 in the rest of Rhomania, 50,000 around the world

By the time Justinian reconquered Italy and North Africa quickly, not limiting resources to Belisarius, many goths were living in the illyrian region. Due to constant warfare against the Avars/Slavs, they seek refuge in the illyrian alps, where they formed a lot of villages. Surrounded by romance-speaking peoples, these goths even survived the Plague of Justinian, that hit Rhomania hard.

Rhomania was able to repeal slavic and avar raids, which were settled in the Pannonian Basin. The empire was way more stable with Italy and North Africa under control, and subjugated the germanic tribe of the lombards, who tried to invade northern italy. By the time of the rise of islam, the empire fell in instability and despite of not losing Syria and Egypt for the muslims, it lost North Africa and Italy to rebel exarchs who weren't agreeing with the high taxes imposed by Constantinople that were destined to the Roman-Caliphate wars in Mesopotamia. Illyria stayed under Rhoman control, and a lot of strong gothic generals helped to defend the empire against the eastern invasors. Rhomania became the bulwark of christianity; the limit of the religion.

The illyrian hintherlands by the 8th century were known as "Gothia" or "Austrogothia". By the early 800s, under the patriarch of Constantinople, the Metropolis of Gothia was created, recognizing the goths as an ethnic group of the Rhoman nation. The written version of the gothic language was standardized by the Metropolis. Despite of being goths, the population was romanized but kept their own language, and it was/still is very important in the rhoman court.
 
Amali
The ancestors of the Amali were refered to as Moesogoths by writers from the Greek and Latin worlds. They inhabited the Roman provinces of Moesia Superior and Dalmatia in the Balkans. The influence of the imperial capital was weak for up untill 570s, when the East Roman (Byzantine) Emperor Constantine began to assert imperial controll over the region. Local resistance to Constaninoples increasing influence was crushed, thus ending the autonomous Gothic kingdom. After which Constantinople coopted local nobillity to rule in their stead. Motivated not only by desire for peace and safety, but also material and social gain. Collaborators improved their position in Moesogothic society. The former ruling Amal family lost it's royal status, and was surpassed by other noble families. However the influence and prestige of the Amals held strong.

Imperial influence over the Moesogoths held strong until 630's, and did not decline due to factors directly related to the Moesogoths themselfes. Instead it was the combined blows of losing the Byzantine-Persian war (672-695), including the Persian conquest of Syria and Armenia, Moorish conquest of Africa, Italian seperatism, Lombard invasion and conquest of northern Italy, and Byzantine civil war ravaging Hellas, Thrace and Anatolia.

Following 630 AD a large scale migration northwards toward the Pannonian plain took off. Their migration was supported by the Gepid cousins of the Moesogoths. Gepid nobillity already had strong family ties with the Moesogoths. Eventually the Gepidic language would be supersumed by the more populous Moesogothic. Moesogothic also had the edge of a strong litterary tradition. Besides Gepidic most other languges of the Pannonian basin would also decline as Moesogothic advanced.

During the period of imperial direct rule, the idea of a 'Amalic' people began. Following the decline of Constantinople, the Moesogoths revolted in favor of the Gepid king Ardaric following the Gepid war on Constaninople. Constantinople was forced to cede the Moesogothic lands to Ardaric's kingdom. The king supported many writers who would play a key role in formulating the basis for Amalic identity.
Language: Indo-European -> Germanic -> East Germanic -> Old Balkan Gothic -> Amalic
Religion: Orthodox Christianity, Roman Catholic Christianity, Torgarism, Gauti church,
Region: The main land of the ancient Moesogoths is what is today Central Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatian Dalmatia. Later expanding into the Pannonian plain, Transylvania and Croatia proper.
 

Deshretian Egyptians​

Language: Coptic mixed with Arabic
Ancestry: Ancient Egyptian, Berber, Arab
Religion: 60% Traditional Egyptian Kemetism, 20% Sunni Islam, 20% Coptic Christian
Culture: Nomadic Desert tribal with Ancient Egyptian customs, later Egyptian Revivalism
Region: North Africa, primarily Egypt

History: After the fall of Ptolemaic Dynasty, and under the rule of the Roman Empire, a new movement arose in Egypt. This saw thousands of Egyptians flee into the surrounding deserts, away from the Nile River. These Egyptians became nomadic tribes, called the Deshretian Egyptians, named after the Red Land they inhabited. The tribes kept the customs of past Egypt alive. They’re devoutly tied to the Old Egyptian Religion, which prophesied that Egypt will one day belong to them. Various Roman Emperors would try to subjugate them, but were unable to due to their nomadic lifestyle. Under the Eastern Roman Empire, further attempts were to convert them to Christianity, but saw little success. It was not until the Sassanid invasion in 618, did the Deshretian Egyptians controlled Egypt once more, forming the Thirty-Fifth Dynasty, a vassal state to the Sassanids. However this was not to last, as the Arab Invasion forced the Deshretians to flee back to the Deserts. Under various Arab Leaders, the Mamelukes and finally the Ottomans, attempts to end the Deshretians were made, but unsuccessful. It was not until the 18th century, the Deshretian Egyptians overthrew their Ottoman overlords, and established the Thirty-six Dynasty. When Napoleon invaded, the Deshretians sided with the British, and kick the French out. During the 19th century, Egypt experienced a revival in Ancient Egyptian Culture.
 
Temesians

Languages: German, Serbo-Croatic
Ancestry: South Slavic
Religion: Austrian Orthodoxy, irreligious, Catholic
Population center: Southern Tyrol, Vienna
Population: 350.000 (Tyrol), 100.000 (Vienna)

History: The history of the Tyrolean Slavs goes back to 1864. After the loss of Veneto to Italy, the Austrian authorities decided that having a large Italian population on their border with Italy fueled further Italian irredentism. So the Tyrolean and Littoral Italian population was removed from these regions to inland regions of the empire. The Serbians of Backa-Banat were seen as one of the least likely populations to cooperate with the Italians or being assimilated by them, so they made up two third of the new population of southern Tyrol while Germans made up one third.While not a popular move at the time, the Austrian strong support of their Church and fear of Italian conquest did make them very loyal subject over time.

This did not save them from ending up part of Italy after WWI. The Interbellum was very hard for the Temesian, their religion was strongly restricted, their language banned, many lost their properties.They did create a strong relationship with their German neighbors at this time, as the German speaking Catholic clergy in secret let Orthodox clergy hold masses in their churches. As such when the Nazi took power over South Tyrol in 1943, the Temesians turned out to be surprisingly supportive. After the War it did raise the question what to do with Italian Tyrol. While the Tyroleans and Temesians had been supportive of German takeover, the treatment of Temesians had been used in anti-Axis propaganda. As such a referendum for whether they should stay Italians, become independent or join Austria was held with joining Austria being the winner.

Language: Most Temesian speak German as their first language, this is to large extent a result of the fact that their identity is mostly ethno-religious. But it’s also too large a result of disagreements about the precise dialect and alphabet of Serbo-Croatic they should use, this resulted in many Temesian shifting to German already before 1914. 25% of modern Temesian speak Serbo-Croatic, but only 7% of Temesian children speak the language. A major problem is that while the Austrian constitution made “Temesian” co-official in Tyrol after the referendum, the disagreement about the precise standardization among the Temesians themselves have resulted in it only being used in ad hoc manner with different municipalities using different standardization.
 
Pannonians

Languages: Pannonian
Ancestry: Romance
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Population center: OTL Hungary
Population: 0.5 million + at least the double in diaspora

The Pannonians are the remnants of the former neolatin population of the same named former roman province. Somehow they resisted the Migration period in their own cities around Balaton Lake (Kestzhely culture) and become a reliable ally to the Avars. The Carolingian attack on the Avars quickly surged them in changing their allegiance to the Frankish Empire, becoming part of the Pannonian march.

Slavicisation had an halt and an input of additional germanic settlers was assimilated by the Pannonians, who had their own counts. The following Magyar invasion was again successful but the Pannonians managed to retain relevance in the main strongholds, somehow surviving the tide. Now firmly underlings to the Magyarian overlords, they become, in the course of the centuries, a continuous thorn in the back of the Hungarian kings, often in league with Wallachian and Moldovan princes.

The progressive Magyarization and the german settlement changed the ethnic background of OTL Hungary, with the Pannonian being reduced to a mere tenth of the population in the late 18th century. A national resurgence (e.g. schools, co-ufficialty in municipalities were Pannonian are more than 30% of the population...) was fostered by the Austrians to continuously halt the Hungarians, with the Pannonians becoming one of the most loyal ethnicities of the Habsburg Empire.

With the end of Austria-Hungary, many Pannonians advocated for the creation of an autonomous state for them, but Admiral Horthy dismissed the topic, implementing harsh measures of magyarization met with the creation of resistance movement like Renasta Panjonje. Large part of the population emigrated towards South America between WW1 & WW2 creating large communities in Argentine and Brazil.

After WW2 the status of the Pannonians behind the Iron Curtain improved, despite the tremendous losses in terms of life due to WW2 and the racist and assimiliationist policies. Nowadays the Pannonians, into the EU are enjoying a larger degree of autonomy but are strongly suffering due to the nationalist policies of the new Hungarian government.
 
Pannonians

Languages: Pannonian
Ancestry: Romance
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Population center: OTL Hungary
Population: 0.5 million + at least the double in diaspora

The Pannonians are the remnants of the former neolatin population of the same named former roman province. Somehow they resisted the Migration period in their own cities around Balaton Lake (Kestzhely culture) and become a reliable ally to the Avars. The Carolingian attack on the Avars quickly surged them in changing their allegiance to the Frankish Empire, becoming part of the Pannonian march.

Slavicisation had an halt and an input of additional germanic settlers was assimilated by the Pannonians, who had their own counts. The following Magyar invasion was again successful but the Pannonians managed to retain relevance in the main strongholds, somehow surviving the tide. Now firmly underlings to the Magyarian overlords, they become, in the course of the centuries, a continuous thorn in the back of the Hungarian kings, often in league with Wallachian and Moldovan princes.

The progressive Magyarization and the german settlement changed the ethnic background of OTL Hungary, with the Pannonian being reduced to a mere tenth of the population in the late 18th century. A national resurgence (e.g. schools, co-ufficialty in municipalities were Pannonian are more than 30% of the population...) was fostered by the Austrians to continuously halt the Hungarians, with the Pannonians becoming one of the most loyal ethnicities of the Habsburg Empire.

With the end of Austria-Hungary, many Pannonians advocated for the creation of an autonomous state for them, but Admiral Horthy dismissed the topic, implementing harsh measures of magyarization met with the creation of resistance movement like Renasta Panjonje. Large part of the population emigrated towards South America between WW1 & WW2 creating large communities in Argentine and Brazil.

After WW2 the status of the Pannonians behind the Iron Curtain improved, despite the tremendous losses in terms of life due to WW2 and the racist and assimiliationist policies. Nowadays the Pannonians, into the EU are enjoying a larger degree of autonomy but are strongly suffering due to the nationalist policies of the new Hungarian government.

Would the remnant Pannonians strongholds ITTL be mainly in the southern part of the country (around the Southern Transdanubia and Southern Great Plain regions)?
 
Would the remnant Pannonians strongholds ITTL be mainly in the southern part of the country (around the Southern Transdanubia and Southern Great Plain regions)?
I don't know sincerely, I expect them to resist in the Southern part of OTL Hungary west of the Danube. The main city may be OTL Pecs / Suviana...
 
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Alruwman
Language: Earbi-Latini/Ruman (Mixture of Vulgar Latin, Greek Arabic, Berber dialects)
Ancestry: Absorbed People of the Italian Peninsula of Roman, Germanic and Greek descent and North African Moors/Arabs.
Culture
: Islamic Arab/Moorish and Mediterranian culture
Religion: Sunni Islam


When the Islamic armies raided Italy in the Medival period, they didn´t only established the Emirate of Sicily in the 9th Century, they also established the control over Italy until the 11th Century after Byzantine´s defeat and repelling of Norman invasions. The various states of Italy became tributary and eventually became Muslim through conversion over time. Reason was also the defeat of the Papacy with the Pope had to be reestablished in Aaachen. Italy up to the Alps fell to the Arabs with Constantinoples being conquered by the Bulgars. While the Holy Roman Empire staunchly defended the Alpine border against the Italian Emirates, a whole new culture began to form. The Italian peoples began to be known as Alruwman in the Islamic world. Although the Christians had been protected by taxation,the Italian demographic gradually changed to majority Muslim by the 12th Century with Catholic Church hierachy being weakend after the defeat of the Papal States and the City of Rome. The last City being incoporated into Alruwman was Venice, which eventually became known as Madinat Albunduqia, an important and famed port of the Islamic world. In the 13th Century the Emirates of Alruwman had been unified by a descendent of a converted Langobardi duke, Muhammedo Salman ,Abu Yussuf' Ali bin Luitprant . Alruwman´s capital was Ruma, famed for it´s many important mosques and centers of Islamic learning. The Alruwan language is Romance in nature but also very much Semitic. It is written usually in Arabic script.
 
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Osman Aga

Banned
Afro-Iberians / Afro-Italians
Language:
Castilian Spanish/Portuguese (Iberia) / Italian (Italy)
Region: Andalusia, Balaeric Islands, Altenjo, Madrid, Lisbon, Valencia (Afro-Iberians) / Sicily, Sardinia, Malta, Corsica, Calabria, Rome (Afro-Italians)
Size: 950,000 (Afro-Iberians) / 800,000 (Afro-Italians)
Religion: 80% R. Catholic, 16% Sunni Islam, 3% Irreligious, 1% Protestant (Afro Iberians) / 89% R. Catholic, 8% Sunni Islam, 3% Irreligious (Afro-Italians)
Origins:
1. First Period:
The origins of Sub-Saharan Africans in the Western Mediterranean date as far as the era o Carthage and Rome. But the lasting settlements started with the Moorish Invasions. The early Moors used the Sub-Saharan Africans mostly as slaves in the first two centuries. The unreliability of the Berber Tribes, the lack of Syrians and the small size of the Slavic Slaves forced the Umayyad Caliph of Cordoba to import Pagan Africans from the lands of Ghana and Sudan as soldiers. The slave soldiers turned out to be not anything less inferior than the existing troops and this method of recruitment happened. This was copied by the other Muslim States in the Western Mediterranean, especially the Emirate of Sicily. The prominence of the African slave soldiers became so influential that Europe got their first African Ruler in Sicily after the Kalbid demise in 1055. The Emirate of Sicily led by the Omarid Dynasty (1059-1292) Omar bin Hussein (1013-1090), the Sudanese Commander of the Kalbids who had defended Messina from the Normans, declaring himself as the Emir of Messina and subjugated the entire Island and Malta between 1059 and 1077 while defending against the Norman raiders.
But as the Christian reconquest moved on, the Iberian Christians experienced some slaves fleeing their Andalusian Masters to find refuge in the Christian lands as a free land. What started out as a couple dozen in the 12th century ended up in several hundreds and thousands in the 13th century. The Slaves fleeing to the Christians were mostly Pagan, to avoid any chance of freeing them while the soldiers who got captured were mostly Muslims. The Iberian States offered slaves freedom on the condition of converting to Christianity. The Muslim captives were offered the same condition although there was a loophole: Fighting for the Crown of Castile and the Crown of Portugal meant limited religious freedom. The result being many Afro-Iberians being Christian by the time the last of Al Andalus fell.
In Sicily, when the last Emir of the Omarid Dynasty died in battle with the Crusaders, the Black European House fell. The local Black population in Sicily was never larger than 7%. The Monarch of Naples was fair and offered the Black Sicilians some freedoms on the condition of swearing loyalty
2. Second Period: The Christian Nations seeing the economic benefits of slave trade used it for themselves. The source of workforce that is obligated to do as the landowners wish sounded great for the nobility. The result was the increased slave trade to cities in Iberia such as Lisbon, Sevilla, Cadiz, Malaga and Almeria. In Italy, this was in the cities of Palermo, Syracuse, Naples, Taranto, Messina, Cagliari, and some of the Merchant Republics like Genoa and Venice. The period was however not a long one, lasting between 1375 and 1610. The increasing Church influence turning against slave trade in the European continent and the Crown outlawing it. But by the mid 16th century, the value of slave trade had fallen behind until the end in 1610 being a money drain. The Kingdom of Naples and Sicily ended this after the Ottoman Conquest of Tunis in 1534 and thus halting their source of slaves. The Crown of Castile halted this in 1603. The Portuguese were the last, outlawing it in 1610.

Appearance: The Afro-Iberians/Afro-Italians are by no means as they were since the Moors brought them in. Many had the freedom to intermarry within their religion, Muslims with Muslims and Christians with Christians, meaning that some of them have European, Arab and Berber ancestors. With regards to similarity, the Spanish territory in the Caribbean and the Portuguese territory of Brazil look the most similar to these two groups. Religion also affects the looks of the Afro-Iberians/Afro-Italians. The Muslims look relatively darker than the Christian brethren. The Christians having the freedom of marriage with the White Christians, which Muslims were forbidden. The lack of partners for the Muslims meant they had to marry within the existing community.

Profession: Many Afro-Iberians and Afro-Italians adopted a military profession since the late Middle Ages. In Sicily, this went together with the Arabs, serving as the soldiers of the Kings of Naples and Sicily as late as the early 18th century. The profession affected their rights and duties. Along with a military duty they were also farmers and fishers in peace time as well. By the 19th century, many were moving from farming and fishing to industrial jobs, affecting their participation in the military. Nowadays, the professions are diverse.

Nowadays: While discrimination based on race and religion were often happening, the Church played a great role in reducing some of it for the Christian Part of the Community. The Muslims endured more and only remained in the nation as the Monarchs had forbidden harm. Being effective soldiers, loyal in almost any circumstances, shared its value in protection by the Monarchs. By the late 19th century until the 1960s, the Muslim Community in both Italy and Iberia were living in isolated areas from the Christians, unwilling to partake in the society due to discrimination and distrust. This was shown in the statistics as until 1960, 75% of the Muslim community lived in rural areas while in Italy, this was 67%.
Politically speaking, both religious groups are leaning Left or Christian Democratic, seldom voting for far right parties.
 
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I do appreciate timelines where the historical links between Northern Africa/the Maghreb and Sicila and Andalusia flourish more than they did historically, in either direction.
 
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Feri
The Feri are a group of (Cro-Magnon) remnant Ice Age tribes that inhabited Holocene Europe up until the Middle Ages. As archaic modern humans they had distinct phenotypes and communicated in their own language. These men kept a nomadic lifestyle in Holocene era and still partly hibernated in caves. The Church tried to convert the wildlings but couldn't reach them. The Romans and later the Catholic Church officially named these peoples Feri. Remnant tribes could be found in France, Italy, Anatolia, Spain, Germany, the Near East and the Balkans. As farmlands and populations in Europe grew, native Feri clans more and more vanished into the forests and mountains. Eventually these people were only known as mythological wildmen, giants, etc.
Culture: Nomadic lifestyle, hunter-and - gatherer lifestyle, cave-art
Religion: Shamaistic Religion
Language: Ancient Cro-Magnon dialects
 
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Cartamese

The cartamese were originally the phoenician dwellers of the furthest phoenician colony, established in Cartam Island (OTL Madagascar). Isolated but no lazy, the cartamese kept very busy trading with Africa and India, securing for themselves the whole island. The arrival of portuguese navies in 1480 marked the begining of the Portuguese rule, renaming the island to São Lorenço. By then, the cartamese had assimilated all the peoples who were before.

Culture: Traditionaly fishers, incorporating many costumes from the local peoples. The coming of age is usually celebrated living one year as a fisher.

Religion: Since the arrival of portuguese, the cartamese usually adhere to the Aragonese Catholic Church. Folk believes are still around.

Language: Cartamese is one of the oldest semitic languages still around, with lots of african and austronesian influxes. It shares a third of its vocabulary with modern hebrew and some arabic varieties, between 10 and 25%. The name Cartam derives from the old phoenician QRT YM, or "New Sea".
 
Can we include far-future ethnic groups in this thread or do we have to do a spin-off thread?

Trinis

Location:
The land they inhabit is known as the Trinity- the land surrounding the Hudson River though the Trinis have been getting a relatively small but noticeable presence throughout the Americas as the reputation of their ferocity makes them excellent mercenaries.

Language: It is said that prior to the Cataclysm a millenia ago, the lands known as the Trinity were once known New York, a cosmopolitan, multi-ethnic realm of merchants and traders that dominated world affairs despite its small size, itself a part of classical American civilization. The mosaic of people spoke a multitude of tongues but communicated with one another in English - a language that is seldom known except by the most committed of linguists. As for the Trinis in the modern-day, they communicate in Trino, a language that is reflective of the ethnic groups' roots as a diverse coalition of Hispanophone New Yorkers who survived the Cataclysm.

Religion: Most Trini identify as belonging to Vudúism, a complex and diverse set of shared thoughts and philosophies. Prominent commonalities in Vudúism are professing a belief in the Twenty-One, a large pantheon of spirit-gods, known amongst the Trini as lua. Each lua is a patron deity ruling over or providing protection and fortune to a particular caste of people. For example, Anaise is the patron lua for prostitutes, merchants and the love-struck. The practitioners of Vudúism also make use of percussion instruments such a drum known amongst the Trinis as atabale or a metal scraper known as a goire.

There are other religions that hold some sway amongst the Trinis such as Christianity or Judaism.

Population: 32 million

Culture: The Trinis have been impacted disproportionately by their Hispanic-American roots but share influences from all over the world.

History: The historical records are scarce but it is said that the origin of the Trinis began with the Cataclysm. When the bombs dropped throughout the world, an unknown duo of men known as Los Primeros assumed leadership of a small island known as Riker's and threw out the oppressive American overlords.
 
Can we include far-future ethnic groups in this thread or do we have to do a spin-off thread?

Trinis

Location: The land they inhabit is known as the Trinity- the land surrounding the Hudson River though the Trinis have been getting a relatively small but noticeable presence throughout the Americas as the reputation of their ferocity makes them excellent mercenaries.

Language: It is said that prior to the Cataclysm a millenia ago, the lands known as the Trinity were once known New York, a cosmopolitan, multi-ethnic realm of merchants and traders that dominated world affairs despite its small size, itself a part of classical American civilization. The mosaic of people spoke a multitude of tongues but communicated with one another in English - a language that is seldom known except by the most committed of linguists. As for the Trinis in the modern-day, they communicate in Trino, a language that is reflective of the ethnic groups' roots as a diverse coalition of Hispanophone New Yorkers who survived the Cataclysm.

Religion: Most Trini identify as belonging to Vudúism, a complex and diverse set of shared thoughts and philosophies. Prominent commonalities in Vudúism are professing a belief in the Twenty-One, a large pantheon of spirit-gods, known amongst the Trini as lua. Each lua is a patron deity ruling over or providing protection and fortune to a particular caste of people. For example, Anaise is the patron lua for prostitutes, merchants and the love-struck. The practitioners of Vudúism also make use of percussion instruments such a drum known amongst the Trinis as atabale or a metal scraper known as a goire.

There are other religions that hold some sway amongst the Trinis such as Christianity or Judaism.

Population: 32 million

Culture: The Trinis have been impacted disproportionately by their Hispanic-American roots but share influences from all over the world.

History: The historical records are scarce but it is said that the origin of the Trinis began with the Cataclysm. When the bombs dropped throughout the world, an unknown duo of men known as Los Primeros assumed leadership of a small island known as Riker's and threw out the oppressive American overlords.
I'd say future ethnicities are fair game here, I doubt there'd be enough traction to merit an entire separate thread
 
That's not an alternate/new ethnic group, that's OTL:


Sorry to break it to you, but unless you're postulating a pre-1800 POD, the Zaporozhian Cossacks were already gone by the 19th century.

Though interestingly enough, one could conceive of a way to get them into North America:

All this was going on around the same time as Catherine the Great moved to dissolve the Zaporozhian Sich:
So, potential POD: Catherine the Great agrees to help the British during the American Revolutionary War. Hoping to kill two birds with one stone, the Empress gives the Zaporozhian Cossacks a choice: either become part of the Russian Imperial Army or go to fight the revolutionaries in North America where you can earn fortune and land for helping the British. Rather than being sent into monasteries or Siberian exile, Otaman Kalnyshevsky and his loyalists are sent overseas to Boston...

From there, you can postulate the Zaporozhian Cossacks becoming part of the North American ethnic landscape much like the Hessians did OTL. Heck, you could even postulate a scenario where Otaman Kalnyshevsky & his troops switch sides with Petro as a result becoming known as one of the "Founding Fathers" and getting his face carved into an ATL Mount Rushmore :p

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Don't know if you or @Collin1212 are familiar with this man's story, but I found the tale of a Cossack becoming a Union Brigadier General in the ACW to be a fascinating one :) : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Turchin
 
Mesopotamians

Location:
OTL Iraq, Khuzestan, northeastern Syria, southeastern Turkey
Language: Mesopotamian (Neo-Aramaic language similar to OTL Chaldean)
Religion: Oriental Orthodox
History: The Romans do not abandon Mesopotamia; the subdivision of the Empire either comes earlier or is three-way (Western, Central, Eastern Roman Empire); a much stronger *Byzantine Empire is able to keep the Persians, and then the Arabs, at bay, while the various Aramaic peoples in the eastern part of the Empire coalesce into two distinct cultural/ethnic groups, a Levantine one (with a Jewish substratum) and a Mesopotamian one. The Red Sea being what it is, Mesopotamia eventually becomes Byzantium's gate to the Indian Ocean, but the province is treated by the Basileus in a similar way to Lombardy-Venetia under Austrian rule, a mere cash cow; Mesopotamia revolts and becomes independent for the first time since Trajan (give or take a few aborted attempts at independence during its history), a huge blow for the Byzantine Empire, that would eventually fall in the early 20th century, being succeeded by several states, of which the Greek one (including Greece, most of Anatolia, Cyprus, OTL southern Albania, Macedonia and southern Bulgaria) can be considered the successor state to Byzantium.

Firanji

Location:
OTL southern Italy and southern Spain, for the most part.
Language: Islamic Romance
Religion: Sunni Islam (Muladi)
History: Long story short, Islam spreads more quickly in medieval Iberia and Italy, but both peninsulas are taken back by Christian forces far earlier, too; since relations between both sides haven't had as much time as IRL to turn increasingly more sour and mutate into genocidal hatred, the Muslims of Italy and Spain survive in a similar fashion to the Sephardim - Song of Roland notwithstanding, the relations between leaders of both faiths back in Charlemagne's era, and even afterwards, were far more friendly than they'd eventually become.

The OTL penchant of Spanish Muslims to syncretize the faith they'd converted to with the faith they abandoned, and the Siculo-Arabic reputation for cosmopolitanism, eventually give birth to an Islamic school native to the European side of the Mediterranean; a school that, while very heterodox from the point of view of those Muslims hailing from the Arabic side of the Mediterranean, makes the Firanji the perfect middlemen: because of this, the Firanji become, in a very short time, very adept at sailing and trading.

Due to their involvement, the old merchant republics in southern Italy, Amalfi and Gaeta above all, manage to survive and, due to the lack of any need for the Normans to conquer Sicily, southern Italy remains as fragmented as northern Italy. Even though the south's rugged terrain isn't as favourable to the establishment of economic powerhouses as the Po Valley, feudalism gains less of a foothold, and the south of Italy remains as prosperous as the north or, in the worst case scenario, just a bit less wealthy.

Just like their Jewish counterparts, the Firanji develop a language of their own, based on Mozarabic and Sicilian, with a very liberal amount of Arabic words and turns of phrases in every other sentence - somewhat of a reverse Maltese - that could even end up as this timeline's equivalent of Sabir. Firanji involvement also keeps the Crusades from happening: Constantinople still loses the Levant but, all out warfare in the Holy Land being bad for business, some wealthy Firanji or another will try to set up a monarchy or republic in the region, featuring very lax (for the era) laws about freedom of religion, centers of Bible, Qur'an and Torah study everywhere (often, next to each other), and nothing but the very best in halal cuisine.
 
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Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Evrei Izraeltyani Bulgari
When the Protobulgarians settled the Balkan area they got Slavizised. In this ATL timeline they didn't chose Orthodox Christianity like OTL but decided themselves for a third way between Christianity and Islam: Judaism. Some say, that Boris Khan developed a big hatred against Greek-Roman culture as he became a mayor antagonist of the Byzantine Empire. He eventually took an interest in Judaism as he was approached by Jewish clergymen. Boris Khan eventually abandoned his Tegriist roots (not completly) and declared himself as ,Jawe's sword'. Khan Boris called himself Boris Birkat Jischtabach (blessed by Jawe) and King of Israel' and vowed to reclaim the holy City of Jerusalem for the Israelites. The Bulgarians he referred to as Jawe's chosen people and the true Israelites. In Bulgarian language Bulgarian aristocracy converted to Judaism was known as Evrei, which means Hebrew. While the Slavic subjects of the Bulgarians remained largely Pagan at first, the Bulgarians began to erect Synagoges. Many Bulgarians just replaced Tengrii with Jawe and saw Boris as his messanger and in one line with Mose, David, Salomon, etc. In this period of time the Star of David became a major symbol of the Bulgarians. The term Evrei Izraeltyani became synonym with Bulgarians. Among the persecuted Jews of Medival Europe and Byzantine East the Bulgar Empire became a mythological symbol of inspiration for emanzipation. Khan Boris was seen as the new Messiah being send by Jawe himself. The general population of the Bulgars eventually became Judaistic as Turkic Bulgars and Slavs merged into one culture.
Culture/Religion: Judaistic Theology, Turkoslavic in origin.
Ancestry: Bulgarians, Slavs, Jewish refugees from Europe, Eastern Roman Empire and Persia.
Location: Evrei Izraeltyani Bulgari Empire
Language: influenced by Slavic language like OTL but also a lot of Semitic Hebrew influences, naming and phrases.
 
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South Saxons
Location:
South Saxony, located in southern Africa, including island of South Silesia (OTL Madagascar)
Religion: Lutheranism (72%), Calvinist (10%), Catholicism (5%), Moravian Church (10%), Jews (3%)
Ancestry: Explorers from Saxony during the 1780's, later settlers from that decade and more so after the French Revolutionary War, including those that came from Moravia, Silesia, the Hessian states and the Palatine.
Language: Saxon German (a mix of Low German, Sorbian and 18th German), English, Burgundian, Dutch.

Population as of 2000 is around 35.7 million native speakers worldwide.
 

Osman Aga

Banned
Sinofarsis

Size:
4,000,000
Language: Persian
Religion: 50% Sunnism, 44% Twelver Shiism, 3% Ibadi, 3% Zaidi Shiism
Area: Persian Gulf, Swahili Coast, Hadramaut
Origins: Dating back from Zheng He's voyages, the early Chinese sailors and adventurers arrived in the Persian Gulf in a permanent state in the 15th century. These Chinese had heard from the merchants about the Pirates of the Persian Gulf and chose the Pirate life. The size of the Chinese, and being exclusively male, made them prone for religious assimilation by locals. As the Chinese Pirates were quite successful and arrived in the same era of the Portuguese in India, there was much to win. The early 17th century was the Golden Age for these Chinese Pirates and their descendants, making Bahrain Island their base, driving the Portuguese from the Persian Gulf.
The Chinese in Arabia were eventually called the Sinofarsis. Despite not being exclusively Chinese and Persian, their linguistics made them closer to the Persians, as they spoke most of the time Persian. The Sinofarsis were largely descendant from Chinese men and Arab, Persian, Indian or African women. Their appearance differs, while looking more like the Persians. Their height of success was the raid on Goa in 1594, taking a bounty of nowadays valued at €45,000,000.-. The Activity of the Piracy of the Sinofarsis increased as more European Shipping arrived though successes had so far been reduced. The Persian Gulf Sinofarsis were often Twelver Shias and very loyal to the Safavid Shahs, often being their Navy and giving 20% of every bounty to the Shah.
The Piracy died out by the early 19th century after a coalition of British, Dutch, French, Portuguese, Danish and Austrian ships had burned every last ship in the harbor of Bahrain, forcing the natural fortress to surrender (Surrender of Bahrain, February 1799). A Persian counter attack on the Europeans was repelled in the Battle of the Strait of Hormuz (August 1801), ending the hope of restoring the Sea Power of the Sinofarsis ever again.

Nowadays, the Sinofarsis have lost importance and their only identity left is their back ground. The phenotype has adapted to the locals by 2021. Their ties to China has been low to zero.
 
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