AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

Basically a Russified Gothic language, or basically how Romanian is initially perceived by other people: as Gothic is Slavified Germanic language, Romanian is a Slavified Romance language.
 
What exactly does Modern Gothic sound like? and how much can other germanic language speakers understand them?

Gothic diverged from North Germanic in the 2nd or 3rd century AD and West Germanic around 1st or 2nd century BC which would mean little mutual intelligibly even in the best case, if we mix that with Slavic, Greek and Turkic loanwords, it’s even less understandable, but it likely have a basic vocabulary and grammar which is relative easy for other Germanic people to learn. Of course a Gothic revival may see replacement of non-Germanic loanword with Germanic ones.
 
(From an RPG setting idea I had)
 Novosibirian
Language:
Russian
History/Ancestry: In a TL where the sea level is the same, but only about 1/5 of Antarctica is glaciated, Russian colonists, including cossacks, were sent to East Antarctica, founding the city of Novaya Perm and New Siberia, whilst conquering the native Polynesian-descended Antarcticans.
Language: Russian, with Influences of Ukrainian from the Cossacks, and Native Antarctic.
Majority Religion: Russian Orthodox
Cultural groups: East Slavic, Antarctican
Region:
OTL East Antarctica
 
Name: Romalanders
Language: Standard Romani (Koine language with Balkan and Vlax elements predominating alongside partial Calo and Carpathian influences)
Religion: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Sunni Islam, Shaktist Hinduism
Ancestry: South Asians, Persians, Armenians, Turks, Balkanites, Hungarians, Slovaks, Iberians, and more recently Africans
Phenotype: Wide spectrum ranging from European to South Indian/Dravidian
Population: 4,600,000 (400,000 in the diaspora, excluding non-Romalander Romani and Domari)
Distribution: Romaland (OTL Guyana + Trinidad-Tobago + Grenada)
Culture: South Asian, Middle Eastern, Eastern European, Southern European, South American
History: After the devastating Porajmos of the Second World War and near extermination of Europe's Romani population, many Roma intellectuals, believing that the continent which had hosted their ancestors for centuries could no longer guarantee their safety anymore, proposed the creation of a new homeland for their nation where they wouldn't have to life alongside other Europeans. As the British government approved turned the Mandate for Palestine into the new Jewish homeland, Israel, so did the colonies of Guyana, Trinidad-Tobago, and Grenada become the new Romani homeland, Romaland (the proposal to name it Romanistan was rejected by its first president, Gheorghe A. Lăzăreanu-Lăzurică), on April 8, 1950. The reasoning behind choosing those Caribbean colonies as the designated Romani nation-state was that they were already home to significant South Asian populations for at least 100 years by then.

Upon the establishment of Romaland as a country and its admission into the United Nations, strict anti-miscegenation laws were established, prohibiting intermarriage between Romani and Africans, although they were allowed to marry former South Asian indentured servants due to their own ancestral origin from South Asia. Paying homage to the Indian heritage of its people, Romaland aligned itself with India by becoming a founding member of the Non-Aligned Movement in 1961, being the organization's only representative from the Americas other than Cuba. Despite being nominally a liberal democracy for just over the first two decades of its existence, it unfortunately fell to a military dictatorship in 1972 under General Žarko Jovanović (who interestingly enough, wrote the country's national anthem), who would rule with an iron fist until his death in 1985, being succeeded by his close associate, Colonel Juan de Dios Ramírez Heredia. The latter was deposed in 1999 by the mayor of the capital city New Kannauj (Georgetown renamed), Flórián Farkas, who proclaimed a de jure "constitutional" (de facto absolute) monarchy by declaring himself "King of the Gypsies". His despotic rule, and in turn 46 years of national tyranny, would finally come to an end in 2008 with the global financial crisis forced him to resign and restore the democratic process.

Ever since then, Romaland has become one of the fastest growing economies in Latin America in the Caribbean, with rapidly expanding foreign investment and tourism driving its relatively quick GDP growth. The anti-miscegenation laws were lifted, and Africans were recognized as a national minority with the same status that Amerindians, Portuguese, and Chinese had since Romaland’s founding. The country is classified as an upper middle income economy, albeit with considerably visible inequality among the people. Unfortunately, Romaland doesn't have the high level of development that Israel has in the present, making it unattractive for the remaining Roma in Europe to immigrate to.

The Romalanders, as a people, are mainly descended from the Roma who immigrated to Romaland in the latter half of the 20th century, in two waves; first in the 1950s and 1960s during the initial settlement of the country from their original host nations in Eastern Europe, and second following the fall of the Iron Curtain, when a mass migration of economically troubled job seekers sought new lives with their ethnic kin. The Roma immigrants have intermarried with the well-established colonial-era South Asian society (Tamils, Punjabis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis, etc.), and Caribbean Hindustani vocabulary gradually seeped into the speech of Standard Romani. And more recently, mixed marriages with Africans have been on the rise, following the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws, adding Sub-Saharan African DNA into the diverse Romalander gene pool. Romalanders pride themselves on being a "chameleon nation" and are truly a cultural intersection between continents.
 
Name: Nan, Nanese people, Nanzhaoans, Dalinese
Language: Nan Chinese (Southern Sinitic language with strong Bai and Yi substrate)
Religion: Chinese folk religion, Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity
Ancestry: Mandarin-speakers, Pinghua-speakers, Cantonese, indigenous non-Sinitic Yunnanese
Phenotype: East Asian, Southeast Asian
Population: 25,000,000 in China, 5,000,000 in the diaspora
Distribution: China (particularly Yunnan), Taiwan, Southeast Asia, Western world
Culture: Southern Chinese, Taiwanese, Southeast Asian
History: The premise of the Nan people existing ITTL as a separate subgroup of the Han Chinese and not being Mandarin-speaking is that Dali isn't conquered by the Yuan Mongols in the 13th century and survives as an independent kingdom at the geographical and cultural intersection of East Asia and Southeast Asia for another 400 years until the Qing Manchus conquer it in the 17th century, leading to a more recent Han colonization that resulted in weaker assimilation of the native peoples (Bai, Yi, Miao, etc.). Moreover, the Han colonists that arrived in Yunnan mainly spoke Pinghua and Yue instead of Mandarin, resulting in a weak Northern Sinitic influence on the formation of the Nan language and its numerous dialects. Nevertheless, the ethnogenesis of the Nan people was mainly linguistic instead of genetic, with the aboriginal Bai, Yi, and other Yunnanese ethnicities adopting the speech of the Pinghua-speaking and Cantonese immigrants as part of assimilating into the "civilized" Han majority while mixing it with their own non-Sinitic vernaculars, which is why the Nan language is the most divergent of all the varieties of Chinese, with some linguists even arguing for its classification as a separate branch of the Sino-Tibetan language family altogether. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, many Nan immigrated out of Yunnan into Taiwan and Southeast Asia, seeking better opportunities and new fortunes. The 20th and 21st centuries saw the formation of Nan communities in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, and to a lesser extent Western Europe. Today the situation of the Nan language is much stronger outside of China than in it, due to Beijing's policy of giving preference to Mandarin over other Sinitic languages in all spheres of public life. The Nan culture is the most similar to those of Southeast Asia among the Han subgroups, and genetically the Nan people are closest to the other ethnic groups of Yunnan.
 
Catholic Japanese
Language: Primarily Kyushu and Kansai Japanese, Standard Japanese and Bilingual with English
Population: 5 million with Nagasaki being predominantly Catholic with Hiroshima and Kyoto having a significant Catholic population
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population and the Christian Japanese predominantly collaborate with Americans, the Catholic Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Catholic Japanese are descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted due to the missions and aid of the Catholic Church after the war.
 
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Catholic Japanese
Language: Primarily Kyushu and Kansai Japanese, Standard Japanese and Bilingual with English
Population: 5 million with Nagasaki being predominantly Catholic with Hiroshima and Kyoto having a significant Catholic population
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population, the Catholic Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Catholic Japanese are descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted due to the missions and aid of the Catholic Church after the war.
I think it's more likely that Americans aggressively tried to convert them to American Evangelical Protestantism, especially considering that apparently their second most common language is English... although English-speaking Christians are overwhelmingly Protestant, and it is doubtful that the United States of the 1940s was considerate enough to specifically assign Catholic soldiers to these areas.

At that time Catholic media in English was practically non-existent unless the Japanese somehow had access to Irish publications. And if there is a significant Catholic minority in Japan, that would probably make it easier for Nisei to immigrate from Latin America (Japanese and Catholic at the same time... but who would speak Spanish or Portuguese as a first or at least second language).

In that case I think we would likely see a split emerging in the community, between those who want to remain Catholic (who speak Japanese and perhaps partly Spanish or Portuguese) and those who have embraced American evangelicalism (who embrace the use of English to distinguish themselves from their other companions / align themselves more closely with their American preachers and coreligionists / both).
 
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I think it's more likely that Americans aggressively tried to convert them to American Evangelical Protestantism, especially considering that apparently their second most common language is English... although English-speaking Christians are overwhelmingly Protestant, and it is doubtful that the United States of the 1940s was considerate enough to specifically assign Catholic soldiers to these areas.

At that time Catholic media in English was practically non-existent unless the Japanese somehow had access to Irish publications. And if there is a significant Catholic minority in Japan, that would probably make it easier for Nisei to immigrate from Latin America (Japanese and Catholic at the same time... but who would speak Spanish or Portuguese as a first or at least second language).

In that case I think we would likely see a split emerging in the community, between those who want to remain Catholic (who speak Japanese and perhaps partly Spanish or Portuguese) and those who have embraced American evangelicalism (who embrace the use of English to distinguish themselves from their other companions / align themselves more closely with their American preachers and coreligionists / both).
I think if there is a Split those in Kyushu will be primarily Catholics, those outside of Kyushu will be primarily Evangelical Protestants, although here, the Christian Japanese are a separate Ethnoreligious Group from the Mainstream Japanese.
 
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Catholic Japanese
Language: Primarily Kyushu and Kansai Japanese, Standard Japanese and Bilingual with English
Population: 5 million with Nagasaki being predominantly Catholic with Hiroshima and Kyoto having a significant Catholic population
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population and the Christian Japanese predominantly collaborate with Americans, the Catholic Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Catholic Japanese are descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted due to the missions and aid of the Catholic Church after the war.
Christian Japanese
Language: Japanese Bilingual with English
Population: 6 million
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population and some the Christian Japanese collaborate with Americans in the War, the Christian Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Christian Japanese are predominantly descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted to Christiantiy due to the missions.
The primary difference between the Protestant Japanese and Catholic Christian Japanese is the practice of Circumcision at puberty by the Japanese Protestant Christians which is an american influence which makes them similar to the Korean Protestant Christians who also adopted the practice.
The Catholics, which are 5 Million in population are primarily concentrated in Kyushu in Nagasaki and nearby cities while the areas where there are large population of Protestants is in Kyoto and Tokyo and the Protestants are 1 million in population.
The Catholic Japanese would have some ties with the Philippines due to some of the Japanese Priests being assigned in Philippines and Filipino Priests being assigned in Japan.
 

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Catholic Japanese
Language: Japanese
Population: 8 million
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population, the Catholic Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Catholic Japanese are predominantly descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted to Christiantiy due to the missions from other Catholic Countries.
The primary difference between the Protestant Japanese and Catholic Christian Japanese is the practice of Circumcision at puberty by the Japanese Protestant Christians which is an american influence which makes them similar to the Korean Protestant Christians who also adopted the practice.
The Catholics, which are 8 Million in population are primarily concentrated in Kyushu in Nagasaki and nearby cities while the areas where there are large population of Protestants is in Kyoto and Tokyo and the Protestants are 1 million in population.
The Catholic Japanese would have some ties with the Philippines due to some of the Japanese Priests being assigned in Philippines and Filipino Priests being assigned in Japan.

Protestant Japanese
Language: Japanese Bilingual with English
Population: 1 million
The Protestants, which are 1 Million in population are primarily concentrated in in Kyoto and Tokyo and the Protestants are 1 million in population and Kyoto is the area where there is a large Protestant population.
The primary difference between the Protestant Japanese and Catholic Christian Japanese is the practice of Circumcision at puberty by the Japanese Protestant Christians which is an american influence which makes them similar to the Korean Protestant Christians who also adopted the practice.
They are a product of the protestant missionaries prosetylizing after the opening of Japan.
Liked this text so much yoy rolled it out twice, in the same thread, in three weeks?

Don't do that!
 
Liked this text so much yoy rolled it out twice, in the same thread, in three weeks?

Don't do that!
To be fair, in each iteration kasumigenx has included various modifications to the data provided in the posts. Although it is true that they are minor modifications to the same structure, and it would probably have been better if Kasumi edited the original publication instead of republish it modified.
 

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To be fair, in each iteration kasumigenx has included various modifications to the data provided in the posts. Although it is true that they are minor modifications to the same structure, and it would probably have been better if Kasumi edited the original publication instead of republish it modified.
He would have indeed.
 
Liked this text so much yoy rolled it out twice, in the same thread, in three weeks?

Don't do that!
I wanted to redo the same post but depict them as two ethnic groups, since the two are not really the same thing, I decided to erase that instead.
 
Tagalogs

Population: 15 million

Religion: Islam

Languages: Major languages: Ibanag, Kapampangan, Comintanes, Tondoan, etc.

On 1570, Miguel Lopez de Legaspi is expelled from Manila which would cause the Island of Luzon to remain Muslim but the Spanish would still conquer and acquire Caboloan/Pangasinan due to issues with the Muslims surrounding them and the Spanish would conquer Ilocos, the Lowland Muslims are generally called as Tagalogs, the Tagalogs or Luzon Muslims would have their own Sultanate named Sultanate of Selurong and the Sultanate of Selurong would have good relations with Brunei which it has good relations with.

Note: This is not the OTL Ethnic Group but since the people of OTL Batangas, Quezon, and Laguna are called as Comintanes/Kumintang in this timeline, the term Tagalog is the Luzon equivalent of Bangsamoro/Moro of Mindanao in this timeline, this yet from a different timeline of the concept that I have posted many times earlier but with a slightly different history, all the iterations have slight differences to be honest.



Igorots

Population: 3 Million

Religion: Animism, Christianity

Languages: Major Languages Kankanaey, Kalinga, and Ibaloi,etc.

The Tribesmen that live between the Spanish controlled Luzon and the Sultanate of Selurong, they live in the mountains between the Spanish controlled Luzon and the Sultanate of Selurong and they engage in head hunting against the Tagalogs/Muslims of the Sultanate of Selurong and ally with the Spanish and the Christians which would cause the relations between the Igorots and the Tagalogs to be bitter.
 
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Ikahodim
Language: Hebrew and Samaritan Aramaic with significant influences from local languages.

Region: Levant, Persia, Northern India

History: "Few men in history can be said to have truly reshaped the world, Ikahod the Sledgehammer is one of them. When he first led troops into battle in 3529, our people were on the periphery of the world, allowed to live in their homelands through the benevolence of the Achaemenids and the Early Mauryans. When he died sons of Yehud were masters of the civilized world. However, victory brought new challenges, while the Jewish people were leaving their homelands as conquerors rather than refugees, they still had to interact with new peoples in new places. In time, the sons of Ikahod's Conquests adopted some of the social mores of the peoples that they had conquered." - A Short History of the Jewish Peoples

This is an idea that I had for a people group from a timeline. The Tribe(s) of Ikahod are the decedents of the colonists and administrators that followed the Conquests of Ikahod and, like any ancient conquering people, they adopted some of the values and practices of the people that they conquered, notably separating them from the more conservative Jewish practices of those who remained in Israel, similar to the split between the Jews and the Samaritans and much more controversial then it is portrayed in the passage.

The timeline that Ikahod is a part of had already been split off from our own for about 200 years by the time that Ikahod was born, so the context for his conquests is far more complicated than him simply 'Great Manning' all over the place.
 
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Christian Japanese
Language: Japanese Bilingual with English
Population: 6 million
History
The Americans refuse to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima which results in Nagasaki having a predominantly Catholic population and some the Christian Japanese collaborate with Americans in the War, the Christian Japanese are considered a separate Ethnoreligious group from the Shinto-Buddhist Japanese.
The Christian Japanese are predominantly descendants of Kirishitans and converts after the war, they increase population due to the baby boom after the war and some converted to Christiantiy due to the missions.
The primary difference between the Protestant Japanese and Catholic Christian Japanese is the practice of Circumcision at puberty by the Japanese Protestant Christians which is an american influence which makes them similar to the Korean Protestant Christians who also adopted the practice.
The Catholics, which are 5 Million in population are primarily concentrated in Kyushu in Nagasaki and nearby cities while the areas where there are large population of Protestants is in Kyoto and Tokyo and the Protestants are 1 million in population.
The Catholic Japanese would have some ties with the Philippines due to some of the Japanese Priests being assigned in Philippines and Filipino Priests being assigned in Japan.
I think the Shinto-Buddhists and Christian Japanese would have some animosity or hatred in this timeline since the Christians would be called traitors/collaborators in this timeline by the Shinto-Buddhists which will cause the Christians to stick together in the cities where they have a large population or majority and there will be many Christian made manga in this timeline as well which have a Christian point of view as there would be many mangakas would be Christians here.
 
I think the Shinto-Buddhists and Christian Japanese would have some animosity or hatred in this timeline since the Christians would be called traitors/collaborators in this timeline by the Shinto-Buddhists which will cause the Christians to stick together in the cities where they have a large population or majority and there will be many Christian made manga in this timeline as well which have a Christian point of view as there would be many mangakas would be Christians here.
I think that would require a strong change in attitude on the part of both the Kurishitan and the US troops.

I mean in OTL it didn't happen even though there were Japanese Christians and surely everyone knew more or less who of their neighbors is Christian. You would need at least two things:

1, Japanese Christians ACTIVELY collaborating with the occupation, and I don't mean simply being passive to the occupation troops. But to act as translators, guides, informers, spies under the Empire rule. The Christians should be the ones who denounce any neighbor who them dislike as an "Empire sympathizer", even if it is not true. If there is a demonstration against any policy issued by the occupation troops, be the first to disperse the protesters with blows, even before the police intervene.

2, you need the occupation authorities to start openly and shamelessly privileging Christians. Implement "Christian only" policies in the upper ranks of the administration, hire only Christians for local supplies, pay a Christian more than a non-Christian, treat any crime against a Christian with much more diligence than would be used when a non-Christian is the victim.
 
I think that would require a strong change in attitude on the part of both the Kurishitan and the US troops.

I mean in OTL it didn't happen even though there were Japanese Christians and surely everyone knew more or less who of their neighbors is Christian. You would need at least two things:

1, Japanese Christians ACTIVELY collaborating with the occupation, and I don't mean simply being passive to the occupation troops. But to act as translators, guides, informers, spies under the Empire rule. The Christians should be the ones who denounce any neighbor who them dislike as an "Empire sympathizer", even if it is not true. If there is a demonstration against any policy issued by the occupation troops, be the first to disperse the protesters with blows, even before the police intervene.

2, you need the occupation authorities to start openly and shamelessly privileging Christians. Implement "Christian only" policies in the upper ranks of the administration, hire only Christians for local supplies, pay a Christian more than a non-Christian, treat any crime against a Christian with much more diligence than would be used when a non-Christian is the victim.
The two are true in my scenario but I will add one more thing and that is some of them fighting against the government and supporting the allied forces during the war that is what also one of the factors that butterflied the need for the nukes.
 
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