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That happened in S5. They still had over 20 million wievers the following seasonsHappy Days:
No Shark Jumping episode. That named the trope of getting irreversibly worse afterwards...
That happened in S5. They still had over 20 million wievers the following seasonsHappy Days:
No Shark Jumping episode. That named the trope of getting irreversibly worse afterwards...
Make that the first half of the final episode only. 2nd half is a "many years later they meet again" like in Allo Allo. Perhaps featuring Hogan going to Germany as a businessman to negotiate a purchase from a German toy manufacturer that it turns out is the one owned by Schulz and Klink is working for him.Hogan's Heroes
Stalag 13 is liberated. Hogan gets Klink and Schultz off from any war crimes charges due to how helpful they were to the Allied war effort.
I think that was the original plan...well something like it but focused on the discovery of Galactica’s outline in Central America, mixed in with Mayan remains.Battlestar Galactica.
Instead of the asinine "Let's all die as hunter gatherers" instead go the route of defeating the Cylons (that epic fight at the Black Hole, let's keep that), but then show that the ships and advance technology are failing with what little they have left being able to build a nice little, relatively, advanced city (of course named Atlantis) on a idyllic largish island. The free robotic Cylons whose ship is also failing decide to go build on the moon (or on another planet in the same system, let's say Mars) just for some separation from humans and a place to call their own. Some kind of communication is setup but that eventually too fails.
Then do the final scene of the weird Baltor and Six angels talking and showing some news articles on the ruins of an advanced civilization found beneath the waves, and some kind of structure being found on Mars.
To end nuBSG well you really need to completely rewrite the entire series as a commentary on fascism and revanchism. The Cylons already fell to it, the Colonials are at constant risk of it. And completely excise anything resembling "god is real". That was stupid.Moore kinda wrote himself into a corner with BSG, setting up a lot of stuff:
- Cylon civil unrest & Final Five
- "One must be worthy of survival"
- importance of Hera as Cylon/Colonial child
- the proverbial flapping of angel wings Tolkien warned us against. The show went from one maybe-maybe not angel in Baltar's head to three angels, with one of them brazenly running around the deck for all to see
- Earth as a promised land
The problem with the ending was - none of it really paid off.
- Final Five were a dud. They couldn't really lead anyone to Earth because their Earth was irradiated hellhole. Their personal tension doesn't really add much to the show where everyone is notoriously at everyone's throat and everyone is highly stressed. And the story they added to out understanding of Cylons didn't amount to anything either. For someone who so sarcastically decried the need to explain background events (Why do Cylons appear every 33 minutes? Fuck you, that's why!), Moore sure invested a lot of time into similarly irrelevant question in Season 4. It doesn't really matter how Cylons made skinjobs. Or how they invented resurrection. Or why they agreed to end the first war.
- "One must be worthy of survival" never amounted to anything. The entire issue was framed in terms of morality vs practicality, acceptance vs vengeance, civility vs barbarity.. Should we force some people to endure hardship (physical, psychological) to keep the fleet running? Should we murder dangerous figures like Cain/rig elections to keep people like Baltar out of power?
But in accordance to ending, none of it mattered. Apparently if you live long enough for designated celestial navigator to give you coordinates to promised land, you are worthy. It doesn't matter whether you are genocidal Cylon with a blood of 25 billion people on your hands or some regular Colonial schmuck who saw his entire civilization destroyed, then spent four years dodging one bullet after the next. You are worthy by the virtue of being here. Conversely, anyone who didn't make it to a transport on New Caprica or had no FTL on Cyrannus was obviously not worthy.
- Hera got shoehorned into a position of prominence, although the reasoning behind it was murky. Why Hera and not any other Colonial child was the proverbial "Eve"? If the answer is once's again "God willed it", then the entire matter loses the stakes. If God is rigging the dice rolls, it's not much of a game.
- Angels, angels everywhere! The problem is of course very much the same - what do characters' decisions matter if God blatantly puts his mighty thumb on the scale? Religious themes are fine, but even Bible used divine interventions more sparingly than late-season BSG.
- Earth wasn't Earth (so not the promised Earth), but it also had humans (so kinda promised Earth). So is it promised Earth or is it not? Are we in the area of grim realism (dictating that there shouldn't be a findable Earth) or mysticism (dictating that there shouldn't be humans on Earth).
Basically all of these things were in contradiction to each other and couldn't really be reconciled in one ending. So in order to make a better ending, the show had to remember what the themes and underlying messages were and stick to them. Adama could die, Roslin could expire, Apollo could never get together with Strabuck (although my personal interest in a private life of a self-destructive alcoholic was pretty much at zero at this point).
Tragedy would be fine, but blatant dissonance was not.
So for a better ending, cut back on angels, don't resurrect Starbuck ("is she a Cylon?" was a worn out card at that point). Cut out the whole arc of God blatantly dragging human to Earth. Make it all about Cylons understanding the enormity of their crimes and trying to come to terms with Colonials. Then Hera becomes relevant again as a visible proof of Colonial/Cylone coexistence. Then the question of being worthy of survival becomes relevant again. And Colonials are not the only ones who have to constantly prove themselves worthy of survival, while genocidal Cylons whistle innocently to the tune of exterminated humans' screams. Then the question of survival becomes a question of morality/civility/reconciliation again. You can even have Earth as something Colonials/Cylons find for themselves rather than being just given one from up high for merely staying long enough in the game.
TL;DR: it would be fine to grind the entire main cast to a paste if the resulting ending actually engages with the major questions posed throughout the series since season one. The dissatisfaction with actual ending stems primarily from the fact that it does not.
Dude, I was just about to suggest that! I love that show and having it end before a proper conclusion still annoys me to this day.Hogan's Heroes
Stalag 13 is liberated. Hogan gets Klink and Schultz off from any war crimes charges due to how helpful they were to the Allied war effort.
No issues with that!Symbionic Titan
IT FUCKING GETS AN ENDING.
That’s not bad.Hogan's Heroes
Stalag 13 is liberated. Hogan gets Klink and Schultz off from any war crimes charges due to how helpful they were to the Allied war effort.
My take on it was:My mate suggested an excellent TL for the final season -
People die!The Walkers overwhelm the defenders through pure numbers with hundreds of acts of heroism taking place along the walls and then into various parts of the castle/fortress
Soap was like that as well. When it ended its fourth season there were a good half dozen cliff hangers and got cancelled the next.Las Vegas - give it an ending!
The final episode ever aired ends on a massive cliffhanger (Delinda is pregnant, the episode ends with the possibility she's having a miscarriage or going into unexpected labour). There was obviously supposed to be more episodes but the writers' strike hit and it was decided not to make any more when the strike ended because it was losing popularity, meaning that there was never any ending to the series. Either make the sixth series to tie up the storylines or (as rumoured but also never happened) bring out a movie "final episode".
I very much like this angle, but yes.I think that was the original plan...well something like it but focused on the discovery of Galactica’s outline in Central America, mixed in with Mayan remains.
Tbh, I quite liked the way they did the whole Chariots of the Gods thing from the original series in a more subtle way. But the turning back on technology (and a number of other things were ridiculous). I think the ending needed to be set up much earlier in season 3. Or give it more seasons.
You could still have that, just actually explain what it was and what it meant. I liked the implication, I just wish it had actually been explained.
- (keep the sci/fi and drama elements the same on the basics. Cut the excess. And don't let the people from the parallel worlds come to this one).
You could still have that, just actually explain what it was and what it meant. I liked the implication, I just wish it had actually been explained.
But generally I agree, the last season was so rushed
Essentially saving The Man in the High Castle comes down to "Amazon Prime doesn't decide to fund Watchmen but worse in every conceivable way and Jim from the office being Jack Bauer for some reason and actually gives the show an ending."