Speaking of Turkey's, I recall hearing something about them being domesticated three times in complete isolation from eachother North America alone so that's gonna be interesting
Speaking of Turkey's, I recall hearing something about them being domesticated three times in complete isolation from eachother North America alone so that's gonna be interesting
On potential animal domesticates I know a lot of people theorize about the peccary and muskox,but there are other viable alternatives. The Andeans kept guinea pigs and a lot of their kin fit the criteria for domestication;fast breeding,fairy large size,(hell some like the capybara or paca are the size of pigs) are herbivorous and fairly docile.
In fact I think the Arawak kept hutias and iguanas. The iguanas likewise are easily tamed,herbivorous,large lizards which would be a good source of protein in both meat and eggs.
I believe the Aztec also kept axolotls which might could be exported to places like the Caribbean and Florida. I doubt Aridoamerica unless they develop ponds,but the Axolotl could be beneficial in the Gulf Region and maybe a little farther north like the Carolinas.
And if it's possible,maybe a domestication of the rhea for the feathers and meat.
Ring-tails - found across oasisamerica, were kept by miners and pioneers since they were easily tame-able and great at catching mice.
Coatimundi - they are kept as exotic pets today, don't see why they cannot be kept as pets sooner, Im sure they can have some sort of helpful use
Jaguarundi - perfect candidate for a endemic house cat in the Americas, and had a more northern range than something like the ocelot
How far north in the North American continent would South American domesticated critters like guinea pigs, capybaras, hutias and jaguarundis spread and common would they be? The deep south has the Mississippi and many other rivers, in addition to wetlands and bayous capybaras could live in, it is wet like the Amazon, but much colder, so how would the Capybaras adapt? Guinea Pigs and hutias are much smaller and could be kept in cages within houses during the colder months, locked and protected from rodent hunting household pets of course.
Speaking of which, out of the verminators listed, Red foxes, ring-tails, coatis and jaguarundis, which would be the most popular and/or widespread throughout all the Americas? In Eurasia, cats are the most prominent pest control pets, surpassing ferrets in population and popularity within Europe, despite cats originating from Egypt and ferrets being domesticated in Europe.
Also, when the Americas and Eurasia do come into contact, how would the verminators and their owners interact or compete? Jaguarundis and cats being felines with the same niche, American red foxes (domesticated and hunts pests) and European red foxes (wild and raids henhouses) being subspecies, etc.
Axolotl cultivation out side of the Valley of Mexico is very difficult if the water they live in gets hotter then 74 degrees Fahrenheit they will die. How would you transport them carrying across them land in ceramic or wood water vessels is very hard. One adult needs about 20 gallons of water without beast of burden this would be every difficult and they need water colder then 74 degrees this water would go beyond that limit. Boat's solve the transport problem but not the temperature problem.
Another question why would they go through all this trouble when their much better livestock available like water birds and rodents? and the wild population only live in the Valley of Mexico could they even survive in the wild outside it without the use of human technology?
I don't know you need to introduce small mammals such as hutias and jaguaranduis to N. America. Groundhogs (woodchucks) can be kept as easily as pets as either of those, and they are native. It isn't out of the question to domesticate rabbits, and Raccoons have been and still are kept as pets
Red foxes won't really interact with their counterparts in Europe as much, so the big competitor will be the cat. At first, cats will be mostly restricted to European settlers, but as they adopt wild rice agriculture, some of them will make the switch to red foxes, as they have been bred specifically for this type of farming for millennia.
Jaguarundis and cats will be more interchangeable. I could see some jaguarundis making it to Europe as luxury pets.
*Cannot believe his own eyes* .
A "planning thread" has eleven pages. Such a space was used to make SIXTY-EIGHT chapters in the Dunes of the Desert timeline. Not mentioning maps and overviews
This thread is a great resource for those writing within the general region and time frame. Thus, Alexander Helios has provided the community with a very useful resource, whether or not the planned timeline is completed.
Will some domesticated red foxes be imported to Europe as well? If so, how popular would foxes and jaguarundis be?
Since some specialized breeds of foxes you mentioned have adapted to rice agriculture, do you think they could potentially be more popular in China and Japan where rice is the staple?
How popular would Eurasian cats be among the natives in N. America, especially since jaguarundis wouldn't be common on the north.
*Cannot believe his own eyes* .
A "planning thread" has eleven pages. Such a space was used to make SIXTY-EIGHT chapters in the Dunes of the Desert timeline. Not mentioning maps and overviews
This thread is a great resource for those writing within the general region and time frame. Thus, Alexander Helios has provided the community with a very useful resource, whether or not the planned timeline is completed.
This thread literally have more pages that each of my two timelines
Yep, i'll save this page if one day i decide to make my plan of an amazonic TL. But i still too excited to see that timeline posted and completed
It's crazy, isn't it? On a somewhat related note, can't wait for you to update Vive Les Marquis
What kind of dog breeds would evolve in each region of the Americas, and how many breeds, how diverse will they be, and will some American native breeds become popular in Europe and vice-verca? In OTL, there were Alaskan malamutes and Salish wool dogs of the northwest, hairless Xolo dogs and chihuahuas of Mesoamerica, Chiribaya dogs and Peruvian hairless dogs of the Andes, as well as many other extinct breeds. Only a few of those breeds survived and became common in the modern era of OTL, meanwhile many standard pedigree "American" breeds (American bulldogs, American cocker spaniel, Labrador retrievers) were evolved from breeds of European origin.
I had an idea for a dog in southern California and Oasisamerica called a 'snakehound', that have been bred to hunt rattlesnakes and other venomous snakes, or at least to keep them out of the house, would a breed like that be possible?
Given the size of the Carolina Dogs and the Xolos, up to 30 and 25 kg respectively, a larger working breed is possible.
I would expect a weasel or ring-tail relative becoming the snake catcher. Better yet the peccary.
On alternate dog breeds,there were the Hare Indian Dog and Tahtlan Bear Dog who are believed to have coyote lineage,some Californian tribes possibly the Chumash may'v domesticated the Gray Fox and the Fuegians kept domesticated warrahs.
Mayans may'v kept peccaries,so if that spreads out,then there's another source of protein.
Depending on how far back you go,maybe the shrub-ox,an extinct musk-ox could be useful for a beast of burden,wool and of course meat.
Chinchillas are farmed for their fur and they probably have a decent source of meat.
They'll mostly be restricted to the Lower Mississippi Valley and adjacent areas. I can't see hutias spreading too far inland (we'll see them stay on the Gulf Coast), and guinea pigs could potentially spread further along the Eastern Seaboard. Jaguarundis won't make it to the Americas, and if they do, they'll be really uncommon.
Capybaras in the Mississippi won't be too much of a problem, since they can adapt to this climate as it's not too much of a jump from the Caribbean. There's also records of people raising capybaras in the region in OTL.
As for houses for animals, we'll see raised indoor pens for microlivestock.
We'll see red foxes in Borealamerica, ring-tailed cats in Oasisamerica, and jaguarundis in Mesoamerica, Isthmo-Colombia, and the Circum-Caribbean. The coati won't be domesticated ITTL.
Red foxes won't really interact with their counterparts in Europe as much, so the big competitor will be the cat. At first, cats will be mostly restricted to European settlers, but as they adopt wild rice agriculture, some of them will make the switch to red foxes, as they have been bred specifically for this type of farming for millennia.
Jaguarundis and cats will be more interchangeable. I could see some jaguarundis making it to Europe as luxury pets.
Ring-tail cats will be the dominant verminator in Oasisamerica, used by natives and Europeans alike, since they thrive in this climate.
There'll be more, but that's the jist of what I have.
Yeah, this basically sums up why widespread axolotl cultivation is improbable. We probably won't axolotls spreading ITTL.
This is true, though we were mostly discussing domesticates in different areas of the Americas. They won't spread too far into the interior of North America, as they'll have microlivestock themselves.
As for your suggestions for domesticated animals in the Americas, interesting. Do you have any further information on the domesticability of these animals? I have groundhog down as a possibility, but I haven't been able to find anything.