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I'm not a Russophobe, more of a Pro-Japanophile who distrusts RussiansOh, shut up Russophobe.
I'm not a Russophobe, more of a Pro-Japanophile who distrusts RussiansOh, shut up Russophobe.
I'm not a Russophobe, more of a Pro-Japanophile who distrusts Russians
It just feels so...incredibly out of left field that it made me confused more than anything else (same with Egypt, for that matter). The fact that we really haven't heard any troubles out of the Ottoman Empire added to it, not to mention the fact that no troubles with its Christian, Jewish or minority Muslim populations was mentioned before.
In Ottoman-ruled Georgia, a new nationalist movement, the New Georgians, makes its first public demonstrations in Tbilisi. Demanding autonomy, and legislation to preserve the Georgian language, the demonstrations are rapidly broken up by the local authorities.
The Russians take note of the emergence of the New Georgians, and will begin actively supporting the movement’s activists financially throughout the rest of the decade and into the 1980s, until the outbreak of the Russo-Kazakh War in 1985.
I'm still not sure why the Russo-Kazakh War was as devastating as it was to the OE either...
Good work! An excellent update. Can't wait to hear about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, in particular.
In TL-191 Presidents are inaugurated February 1st, they amended the Constitution, I'm pretty sure.
Excellent update. Can't wait until December.
Well, you certainly kept your word, Dave. I'm going to read it now.
These spec fics are very interesting. I would like to see them expanded upon. President McClellan in particular; I wonder how that one turns out.
There just seems to be no good reason for it to suddenly up and die. While I'm sure David will give a thought out, reasoned and justifiable way for it to go it just seems to be a tired old theme of 'dusty old non-christian empires collapse'. ITTL it seems to be in far better shape than it was OTL early 20th century, so it just seems a bit out of left field for it to collapse when OTL it required three years of devastating invasion whilst already in a relatively poor state. While I'm sure you can point to any number of equivalent collapses to how David appears to be approaching this one, that it is the Ottoman Empire and not Bharat or Germany, also large multi-ethnic states, makes this choice of events feel a little... overdone.
Seems like I was right. Reynolds became the first Republican president in a century. So...
Republican Presidents.
1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln
1881-1885: James G. Blaine
1981-1989: Morgan Reynolds.
But the Republicans' victory were mostly dependent on Reynolds' charisma and the sloppy performance of the Dems and Socs. Will they recover Powell House in the future? Or is this an one-hit wonder?
Excellent work!! A continuation of high quality writing and deep research. Very readabld and plausible!
Is fusion power still being researched?
Great work, David. And I'm glad to have helped with the Pacific territories.
Forgive me for asking what may seem like to dumb questions, but can someone answer me the two following questions:
- What has happened to the Imperial Family?
[*]Does the Republic of Ezo have the Northern Territories or are they still Russian?
Another awesome update, Dave, even if I didn't agree with all of your choices for what's going to unfold in the future. But will we be seeing a map that at least shows us what the world looks like in the 2010s, though, even if you don't plan on going that far, Dave?
I think Dominic pretty much stated everything I wanted to in regards to the Ottoman Empire. It just feels so...incredibly out of left field that it made me confused more than anything else (same with Egypt, for that matter). The fact that we really haven't heard any troubles out of the Ottoman Empire added to it, not to mention the fact that no troubles with its Christian, Jewish or minority Muslim populations was mentioned before. I'm still not sure why the Russo-Kazakh War was as devastating as it was to the OE either...
That gripe aside, 'Ottoman Dissolution' doesn't sound good...for all parties involved. At least you're going the more interesting route, if it has to fall apart in some form, of a slow decline rather than the 'shambling corpse is blown away by Europeans' trope that seems so popular in regards to it in AH.
I think it could go either one of two ways for the OE at this point:
Best outcome (now that the Golden Wolves seem to be collapsing): The OE lives on as some sort of confederation/federation of republics and/or kingdoms with the Osman sultan/caliph as a nominal figurehead.
Worst outcome: Nasty border rearrangements (likely to be only hypothetical and porous for a long time). Bad feelings remain Sunnis and just about everyone else, with some horrific 'reprisals' down the road against the majority. Most of the successor nations end up as tinpot dictatorships in some fashion; probably maintain their independence through Russian and Bharati 'good will'/firearms. Turkey likely about the size it is IOTL, perhaps smaller.
I also think an interesting question (that no one's brought up yet) is what will happen to the position of caliph here in TL-191. Mecca and Medina could be made free states, perhaps, similar to OTL's Vatican City with the Osmans continuing their role there (if things go really south). Or the title could return to its pseudo-democratic routes, perhaps...
Regardless: I absolutely love all the alt movies, books, music, etc. you throw in here. It makes everything seem incredibly real and actually like you gave a damn to make it actual alternate history. I have to say, wondering what you'd come up with for that stuff is one of my favorite parts of each update. There do seem to be issues with footnote numbers in this chapter though (missing in one case, order of whack for a few others).
I find a lot of the alternate scientific and technological developments too. It seems a bit strange to me that we're only now getting personal computers, but TL-191 is advanced enough to try to get space stations on the moon and the like. Then again, what with bureaucracy being much more prevalent and accepted ITTL by just about everyone, I suppose this privacy should've been expected. Glad that we've made some headway against HIV/AIDS here more than OTL as well. Curious as to where Dr. Fleischer's career is going to go after his people map the human genome.
I'm guessing that a common theme of sci fi novels is going to be something like We Can Rule Together among the various powers of earth? In a sense, an eventual and more comprehensive alt-UN doesn't seem too far fetched here in TL-191. Certainly not soon, but perhaps later in the 21st century.
Also: Germany has successfully been integrating, at least so far, some of its former colonies into itself, as has Portugal. Might we see similar outcomes for Seychelles and Reunion (for Austria-Hungary) and Italy's African holdings as well?
If I'm also reading the situation in Europe right, you seem to imply that the U.K. and France are both going to be on the rise. Should we expect parallels, perhaps, with OTL's post-WWII Japan and post-Korean War (South) Korea? It seems like they could perhaps pull it off, if they play their cards right with Germany.
As far as the Kashmir War is concerned, it seems like that's going to be our last 'big' war for quite some time. My guess is that the Ottomans and Pakistan are going to be in for a world of hurt, which will be the death knell for the Independence Movement at last. Of course, doesn't mean it's going to be all that easy...or great for the Bharatis once they realize that they now have to hold down a (likely) hostile province without resorting to Japanese-/Confederate-/Ottoman-style crackdowns. I expect them to be a pariah for quite a while, if they succeed.
Anyway, there was a lot of stuff I couldn't go over, but it was all so enjoyable nonetheless. Cheers to December.
Good update, David!
Regarding the "Comunidade de Lusophone" I believe you meant Comunidade Lusófona.
One minor request: Could you give some info on how the Caribbean US members are doing in the next update ? Specifically, the ones in the Little Antilles. Thanks.
loved the update, and I;m sorry if this got answered already but will texas ever rejoin the US?
Texas will remain independent.
As I've said, this timeline will end in 2009. Others are free to speculate about what comes next.
That's not quite true. Ottoman authority in Georgia has been challenged by Georgian nationalists since 1973.
Because the Ottoman system was already weakened by serious economic troubles and the incompetent new Sultan.
The defeat in Kazakhstan and the Caucasus, subsequent riots within the Empire and the exit of most IM member destroyed
the reputation of the Ottoman Empire as a great power.
Again, an excellent critique. As I've mentioned, when I was writing the earlier posts with the Ottomans, the slow pace of updating (year by year) meant that I did not have a clear idea about the future. When I wrote up the seventies update (and started thinking about what to mention in the timeline decade-by-decade), then I started to see where the Ottomans would run into trouble over the course of the last thirty years of the ATL.
The 2010s will be a rough time for the Middle East, that much is certain.
This partially depends on wether or not there is still a sultanate in power after the 2010s in TTL.
It's one of my favorite parts of writing TTL. I hope I've done a plausible job. And would you mind pointing out which footnotes are wrong/missing?
The lack of a Cold War resembling our world's has led to some different pacing regarding technology. It was interesting, for example, to imagine what an analogue to our world's Space Race would look like without the specter of armed confrontation behind technological advances, especially regarding Outer Space.
Yes for Austria-Hungary. Regarding Italy, I mentioned the reforms made in the Italian Empire; the Italians granted full civil rights to the inhabitants of Libya and Eritrea, while granting independence to most of Somaliland.
That was a parallel I was going for, without copying exactly what happened regarding Japan and South Korea IOTL.
With Japan taking a big hit recently, will it be Germany who invents Nintendo?
September 1, 1988 onwards—Gershom Kafka publishes the first novel in his “Combine” trilogy, Human-Cyborg Relations. The novel is the first work in the “Combine” sub-genre of science fiction [27], will become increasingly popular throughout the 1990s and 2000s. The other two novels in the trilogy, Twelve Million Forms of Communication, and Not the Ones We’re Looking For, will be published in 1991 and 1994, respectively.
Donkey König.
I'm having a slight bit of trouble seeing the Falklands (more specifically what color they are), does Chile own them?