If you're black, then yeah things are definitely worse than OTL, especially in the south.I have a feeling the US isn't going to be a nice place ITTL
If you're black, then yeah things are definitely worse than OTL, especially in the south.I have a feeling the US isn't going to be a nice place ITTL
Presidential vote | 1 | 2 | 3 | Vice-Presidential vote | 1 |
S. Douglas | 126 | 144 | 161 | H. Seymour | 204 |
J. Davis | 100 | 98 | 96 | Absent | 63 |
Absent | 17 | 17 | 17 | D. Wilmot | 26 |
D. Wilmot | 39 | 33 | 21 | ||
Other | 6 | 6 | 3 | Other | 5 |
Presidential vote | 1 | Vice-Presidential vote | 1 |
W. Seward | 146 | J. Giddings | 153 |
E. Bates | 50 | A. Lincoln | 81 |
B. Wade | 46 | ||
Other | 5 | Other | 23 |
William Seward | Jefferson Davis | John Bell | Stephen Douglas | |
Electoral Vote | 166 | 61 | 50 | 21 |
Popular Vote | 1,912,584 | 759,077 | 610,901 | 1,480,233 |
Percentage | 40.2 | 15.9 | 12.8 | 31.1 |
Wonderful passage and I cannot wait for the electoral map! My only note is that you clearly state John Bell is the National Union nominee, but list John Crittenden on your table.The National Unionists were largely shut out of the north by the Whig’s superior organization. The National Union had inherited the infrastructure of the disorganized and weakened southern Whigs, leaving them struggling to counter Douglas and Davis in the hotly contested upper south. John Bell, the National Union nominee, criticized both Seward and Davis as extremists who would destroy the union. Only careful compromise, Bell said, could save the United States. Both Seward and Davis retorted that the other side was the real extremist who wanted disunion.
William Seward Stephen Douglas John Crittenden Jefferson Davis Electoral Vote 166 57 40 35 Popular Vote 1,912,584 1,480,233 610,901 759,077 Percentage 40.2 31.1 12.8 15.9
Thanks!Wonderful passage and I cannot wait for the electoral map! My only note is that you clearly state John Bell is the National Union nominee, but list John Crittenden on your table.
That was an error on my part -- I accidentally used an old electoral map I made a few weeks ago. I updated the table to reflect the actual results.How did Stephen Douglas get 57 electoral votes if he only won Illinois and Missouri? By my count, that looks like it should be about 20 electoral votes if the totals are the same as IOTL, and even with the different borders of TTL I cannot imagine how those two states could have gotten an extra 37 electoral votes between them. Even 35 (assuming you swapped Davis and Douglas in the table) seems implausible.
Just one more chapter to go, in fact!With Seward on the horizon, I can already smell the gunpowder and hear the whistle of cannon shot into the upcoming Civil War. Always appreciate a good battle within the Democratic Party between Senators Davis and Douglas, however. It such as interesting conflict that there was even a book recently published on the topic.
By the way, I applaud your use of an excellent name for an alternate history as this chapter's title.
Sam Houston.Who is Bell's running mate?
You got Crittendened again, my friend. This time his name appears next to the purple square on the bottom right of the map.The 1860 Presidential election:
*facepalm* Just fixed it. I thought I de-Crittenden-ified everything.You got Crittendened again, my friend. This time his name appears next to the purple square on the bottom right of the map.
It's also interesting how quickly, both OTL and ITTL, the south and north went from competitive for both parties to the sharp polarization in 1856 and 1860.It remains striking how starkly divided the country was along these geopolitical lines before the Civil War broke out. Maybe a bit premature, but I’m excited to see what role Lincoln will play in US politics in the future.
Arguing Until Doomsday, I believe. I've been looking to read it for a while, but haven't found a good opportunity to get the book yet.What book is that? I might check it out.
Johnny Henry Power Hour?Maybe Crittenden was there because there was a crossover between The American System and A House Divided Against Itself universes like the Jimmy-Timmy Power Hour trilogy I loved as a kid.
Indeed— the south is marginally more willing than otl to give the new northern majority a try.Finally caught up! Quite the ride! It looks like we might actually get a few months of peace in Seward's term rather than the immediate war that faced Lincoln in OTL.
I looked it up — it sounds really interesting. I had no idea Douglas and Davis were such rivals.Arguing Until Doomsday, I believe. I've been looking to read it for a while, but haven't found a good opportunity to get the book yet.
It’s like Into the Spiderverse, all of the John Crittendens from other timelines are just appearing!Maybe Crittenden was there because there was a crossover between The American System and A House Divided Against Itself universes like the Jimmy-Timmy Power Hour trilogy I loved as a kid.
Whigs foaming at the mouth in hysterical joy for tarriffs.and the announcement of the tariff and western planks sparked cheers and jubilant chants from the assembled delegates [4].”
Knowing how things went... poorly in OTL, the fact its worse ITTL is rather depressing.If you're black, then yeah things are definitely worse than OTL, especially in the south.
Now who said that there will even be one?Well let's see what spark ignites the Civil War ITTL.
Now who said that there will even be one?
From BROTHER KILLING BROTHER: THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR by Michael Yates, published 2019
They did.-UNEASY SILENCE: AMERICA IN THE ANTEBELLUM by John Erwin, published 2021