Kaiserreich is full of syndicalism wank. Some is needed to even have the setting stay recognizable, but much isn't and I suspect some devs may just want to push their pet ideology. It's most noticeable with syndicalism, but there's some unneeded Germanwank too. Wouldn't be surprised if there's other things being pushed even if it's blatantly unrealistic. I understand the need to both screw butterflies and have unlikely things happen to have a fun world/story, but sometimes the goal isn't just that and it's still praised as super realistic (see The New Order, the most absurdly dumb Axis victory this side of the Man in the High Castle...)
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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There's always room for a bit of fun, if I wanted pure realism I'd stick to academic papers. Is the rise of syndicalism a bit too robust from our experience? Yes, but given the intent of the mod a little variance from plausibility is acceptable, if only to avoid the bog standard fascism and Soviet-style Communism. It's the same reason I don't mind the American faction names (or the existence of a second Civil War at all). As for TNO the Nazis are pretty OP right until they finish Atlantropa and then all their flaws hit them like a sledgehammer, but that again is acceptable if only to set the stage for the mod, even if it isn't plausible
It is also a integralist wank since that idoelogy mostly phased out by the 1920s and I still don't see many people complaining about that.
Friend, so, I have bad news.
Brazilian Integralism - Wikipedia
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Brazilian integralism might use the name integralism, but it is pretty much fascism.
Well, they are different from fascism, so much that if you go into the wikipedia page on integralism it treats Brazilian integralism as a different ideology
I was OK with calling braziian integralism as something different from fascism, I even got hired by the REDS! modding team and began to develop Brazil there with that mindset, but I needed a picture of Gustavo Barroso so I went into the integralist online archive to ask for one, and when I said to their administrator that I would use the same subideology as the "Action Francaise" he replied that I should use fascism instead, since on his words "brazilian integralism came to fight the jewish ideologies that were infesting the world"
Kaiserreich Integralism comes from another movement, not from the Integralist Action but from the Imperial Patrianovista Action, their prime minister is Arlindo Veiga Santos who led that group
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Hi there, fairly new to this forum, but I've lurked this thread for like a year. I write for Kaiserreich and I was one of the main people behind both the new UoB lore and the new Gibraltar stuff you're referring to. There was legitimately a pretty big labour movement in Gibraltar and it was heavily anarchist and syndicalist influenced. I can get into more detail and share some sources if people care for it.
The Free Commune of Gibraltar, was initially as some people have correctly pointed out, a Naissar Soviet/Kronstadt expy. After I offered to help with writing it, I looked into the history of the Gibraltarian labour movement. The main sources I used were "‘Reformers and revolutionaries: the battle for the working classes in Gibraltar and its hinterland, 1914-1921’", "Workers of the Empire, Unite", "Anarchy in the UK('s most famous fortress)" and a Spanish book named "Yanitos. Viaje al corazón de Gibraltar (1713-2013)".
From my understanding, the workers at Gibraltar (primarily Spaniards from Andalusia, but a lot of Brits as well) were extremely militant, particularly in the late 1800s, early 1900s. Though initially influenced mostly by Spanish anarchist trends, both British and Spanish syndicalism took hold around the 1910s. There were numerous wildcat strikes, as Spanish and English speaking labourers joined forces and cooperated. There was even a chapter of the CNT and the FAI established. By 1919 this unity between the Spanish speaking workers and the English speaking workers fell apart, at least in OTL. Not only did the British government start issuing some concessions, including democratic representation and better labour rights for Gibraltarians, the British Workers' Union also dispatched a representative name Matt Giles. Giles explicitly told the British labourers at The Rock to pursue more moderate organizing, in the whole "legalist" trend that was taking shape in Britain. He also explicitly denounced the Syndicalists, Anarchists and Communists among the trade unions of Gibraltar, and told British workers that they should not affiliate with Spanish speaking workers, and instead form exclusively English speaking unions. This pretty much killed the labour militancy and divided the workers. A while later Britain continued with its carrot-and-stick approach to mollifying the labourers on Gibraltar, until the radical workers movement was all but extinguished.
In KRTL, considering how much more radicalized the labour movement in Britain is, I thought it natural that the Gibraltarians would also be affected. As the wikia article says, the dire circumstances in 1925 lead numerous workers to repudiate Matt Giles instructions and to reform the multilingual alliance between Brits and Spaniards. There is also a much bigger influence from the British TUC and the Spanish CNT on The Rock, compared to in OTL. Its also questionable if Britain would offer the same concessions to Gibraltarians in KRTL, considering the hardline approach they've taken to other colonial entities which underwent reforms in OTL. Either way, even if they did, it would be too late. With economic decline, radical influence and a resurgent labour militancy, I do not think its unreasonable for the workers of Gibraltar, joined by the garrison, to declare themselves a commune. Trust me, British workers and soldiers have rebelled in way weirder places than Gibraltar. (Look up the Cairo Forces Parliament's mutiny in Egypt for instance).
From my understanding, the workers at Gibraltar (primarily Spaniards from Andalusia, but a lot of Brits as well) were extremely militant, particularly in the late 1800s, early 1900s. Though initially influenced mostly by Spanish anarchist trends, both British and Spanish syndicalism took hold around the 1910s. There were numerous wildcat strikes, as Spanish and English speaking labourers joined forces and cooperated. There was even a chapter of the CNT and the FAI established. By 1919 this unity between the Spanish speaking workers and the English speaking workers fell apart, at least in OTL. Not only did the British government start issuing some concessions, including democratic representation and better labour rights for Gibraltarians, the British Workers' Union also dispatched a representative name Matt Giles. Giles explicitly told the British labourers at The Rock to pursue more moderate organizing, in the whole "legalist" trend that was taking shape in Britain. He also explicitly denounced the Syndicalists, Anarchists and Communists among the trade unions of Gibraltar, and told British workers that they should not affiliate with Spanish speaking workers, and instead form exclusively English speaking unions. This pretty much killed the labour militancy and divided the workers. A while later Britain continued with its carrot-and-stick approach to mollifying the labourers on Gibraltar, until the radical workers movement was all but extinguished.
In KRTL, considering how much more radicalized the labour movement in Britain is, I thought it natural that the Gibraltarians would also be affected. As the wikia article says, the dire circumstances in 1925 lead numerous workers to repudiate Matt Giles instructions and to reform the multilingual alliance between Brits and Spaniards. There is also a much bigger influence from the British TUC and the Spanish CNT on The Rock, compared to in OTL. Its also questionable if Britain would offer the same concessions to Gibraltarians in KRTL, considering the hardline approach they've taken to other colonial entities which underwent reforms in OTL. Either way, even if they did, it would be too late. With economic decline, radical influence and a resurgent labour militancy, I do not think its unreasonable for the workers of Gibraltar, joined by the garrison, to declare themselves a commune. Trust me, British workers and soldiers have rebelled in way weirder places than Gibraltar. (Look up the Cairo Forces Parliament's mutiny in Egypt for instance).
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Besides Gibraltar, I'm happy to answer other questions about the lore or just the history of various regions in KR in general. That said, I can't really talk about confidential stuff that's still under development and/or rework, unless information about it has already been posted publicly on the wikia.
I've mainly worked on Britain (who's new lore is public), parts of the Middle East, Central Asia, China and Southeast Asia. I'm particularly proud of my work on Burma, that mammoth sized chunk of lore about it on the wikia is my doing, mostly thanks to boredom and my own fixations on Burmese history.
I've mainly worked on Britain (who's new lore is public), parts of the Middle East, Central Asia, China and Southeast Asia. I'm particularly proud of my work on Burma, that mammoth sized chunk of lore about it on the wikia is my doing, mostly thanks to boredom and my own fixations on Burmese history.
Crazymachines
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I have a question! is communard France more like post rework Britain, in that it has become increasingly more authoritarian, or is it more like Socialist Italy where it's more of an actual democracy
I don't work on that specifically, France is a lot more democratic than Britain. Not sure how it compares to Italy. As far as I know its a lot more bureaucratic than the French republic was previously and the compromise between the parliamentary left and the trade union left is pretty strained. That doesn't mean its explicitly authoritarian, but some authoritarian forces like the Sorelians do have a foot in the door.
Crazymachines
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If you've worked with the other devs, could you possibly convince them to change the Gibraltar commune's flag?
its a little unlikely that somehow the kronstadt rebellion flag would almost unaltered work its way into the KR universe, plus the text on it is a terrible font.
Here's one of many possible fixes;
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Will we get to see more British lore? For example, can we see examples of British culture like cinema or literature?
Vince
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If you want realism, do yourself a favor and stay away from Kaiserredux. Unless you like an Al Capone Mob led CSA, a Eurasian state stretching from Poland to Manchuria, a Goering superstate in Africa that traffics in blood diamonds and heroin (that makes his KR counterpart look like a choir boy), and a reborn Byzantine Empire
Vince
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No idea. I've been playing KR since 2010 and the DH mod of it never had Capone as far as I can remember.
Yeah there's a lot of stuff planned for flavour. I'm sure there'll be a progress report or something about it sometime soon as well. I'm not really involved in the active development but I did write a bunch of the lore for the actual revolution and the structure of the government.