Map Thread XX

RMcD94 · Jul 9, 2020

Looking for a version of this map in 1939/WW2

A map that shows the Pacific from Alaska to Chile to Ceylonish and to Antarctica with clear groupings/countries

Višeslav · Jul 9, 2020

RMcD94 said:
Looking for a version of this map in 1939/WW2

A map that shows the Pacific from Alaska to Chile to Ceylonish and to Antarctica with clear groupings/countries

I'm pretty sure there's Q-BAMs with territorial waters though this looks like more of a request thread thing to me.

RMcD94 · Jul 9, 2020

Višeslav said:
I'm pretty sure there's Q-BAMs with territorial waters though this looks like more of a request thread thing to me.

Unfortunately QBAMs aren't equirectangular and are centred on the UK so the Pacific is cut in twain

HeX · Jul 9, 2020

Fear Itself
Our Darkest Hour

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"We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."
- Adolph Hitler, describing the Soviet Union, and John F. Kennedy, describing the Third Reich

"I am become death."
-Robert Oppenheimer, Head of the Manhattan Project

"The free men of the world are marching together to victory."
- Omar Bradley, Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces

"This is our brightest hour. This is where we show the world what humanity truly stands for. No more war. No more death. No more Nazis."
-George S. Patton, American General during Operation Nemesis

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Almost one hundred years apart, two men followed nigh identical paths on the quest for European and global domination. Both were young soldiers who turned to politics to unify their shattered homelands and embark on a journey of radicalism and conquest. Their empowered nations' tendrils snaked across the Old World through alliances and wars, amassing tribute and territory. They both even invaded Russia in the winter. Just one major detail set these two modern Caesars apart: Napoleon Bonaparte lost. Adolph Hitler won.

Adolph Hitler's long climb to the top in Germany was the end result of over a decade's worth of humiliation leveled towards the chief loser of the Firsr World War. As the nation collapsed under the weight of debt and economic strife, Hitler's National Socialist Party--the Nazis--promised they could make everything better once again. The German people listened. What followed was the most meteoric rise of a country in modern history. In just seven years, Hitler and his autocratic policies rebuilt the German economy, reformed the armed forces, remilitarized the Rhineland, annexed the Sudetenland, anschlussed Austria, rekindled the flame of nationalism, and pinned all of Germany's problems on a scapegoat--the Jews, whom Hitler claimed had conspired against Germany and engineered its downfall. These statements were, of course, absurd, but the Germans did not care. Anti-semitic rhetoric and racist propaganda had installed an artificial caste system of ethnic and cultural divisions in the country. So began Hitler's unholy crusade against those he deemed "inferior" to the "Aryan paradigm." On September 1, 1939, Nazi Germany took one step too far. With their invasion of Poland, the British and French could no longer merely watch Hitler stampede over Europe uninterrupted. They soon declared war.

They wouldn't last a year.

By late May of 1940, the Anglo-French foothold in Europe had been pushed back into a small pocket around the coastal city of Dunkirk. Try as they might, the bold British plan of Operation Dynamo--the evacuation of Allied troops from the beaches and harbors--could not be put into effect when the Germans refused to halt their advance and captured the armies on June 1. Lord Halifax, the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, was forced to accept an utterly humiliating white peace with the Nazis, ending the Western War. Halifax was swiftly replaced by Winston Churchill, who, despite being aggressively anti-Hitler and delivering dozens of impassioned speeches about British temerity and indomitable spirit, could not convince the government or the people to fight Hitler's war machine again. Europe was lost, and there was no salvaging it, but at least the Empire would remain intact.

With Britain out of the game, the Axis Powers could continue their wars without fear of invasion from the West. Preparations began in Berlin for the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, Operation Barbarossa, which continued smoothly until Italy launched its invasion of Greece at the end of the year, kicking off the Third Balkan War. The Italians had, in the years prior, invaded and annexed Ethiopia and Albania, both conflicts that had gone well. But the invasion of Greece went badly. Really badly. Italy became an international laughingstock, damaging the Axis' reputation and giving Churchill the ammunition to label them as "Europe's soft underbelly." Benito Mussolini, Il Duce of the Kingdom of Italy, was forced to ask for help from Adolf Hitler, Führer of the Third Reich. This forced Operation Barbarossa to be delayed and the troops meant for it to be diverted south. There, the Balkan nations were delivered an ultimatum: join, or die. Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria opted to join. Yugoslavia, after much deliberation, opted to die. They were swiftly invaded by the Wehrmacht, whose southern strike continued on to help the Italians subjugate the Greeks. The nations were then divvied up between Italy, Bulgaria, and German protectorates, and the invasion of the Soviet Union was on the table once again. On June 22, 1941, the German Reich launched Operation Barbarossa, mobilizing the largest invasion force in the history of warfare, one month later than intended. The Great Patriotic War had begun.

Across the globe, another war was brewing. The Empire of Japan was the third member of the Axis Powers, and their own lust for power and land had led them to war with China, which was disunited and disgruntled. They had their own fair share of atrocities as well, in particular the unimaginably brutal Rape of Nanking, which even the Nazi attaché there found disgusting. These were the opening acts of the great Pacific War, the conflict that brought the Japanese from its apex to its knees in four years. Though the British had signed a peace treaty with the Germans, no such deal had been made with the Japanese, who were intent on swallowing up as much European territory in the Far East that they could. In just one year, Japan invaded and annexed Hong Kong, Macao, Malaya, Burma, and the Dutch and British East Indies, not to mention being granted dominion over France's former Asian colonies. Now, Australia and New Zealand cowered in fear. It seemed Japan was but one small step away from total dominance in Asia.

Then, on December 7, 1941, a day that would forever live on in infamy, all that changed. The Imperial Japanese Navy and its air forces launched a sneak attack on the American naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Eighteen ships were sunk and over two thousand men were killed--all legally noncombatants, as no war had been declared. That came after the attack, when the Japanese representative in Washington issued an official statement. The American people, who had been egged on by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for years to engage with the wars going on around the globe, were finally roused from their isolationist slumber, and declared war on Japan. Silently, FDR hoped that the Germans would honor their treaty with the Japanese to the fullest and declare war on the United States of America, but no such thing occurred. Adolf Hitler was far too busy dealing with Russia, and the Western War was long over. This was a wise decision on the part of the Nazis, but it also meant that the Empire of Japan would be facing down the entire might of the United States all at once. Now that they were at war, the Japanese quickly absorbed the American Philippines, as the US set itself up for the long haul across the Pacific Ocean.

Back in Europe, Operation Barbarossa was going extremely well. There had been no hiccups, and in just a few months the Axis had put Leningrad under siege and reached just a few miles outside Moscow. With no western flank to worry about or direct resources toward, the Nazis seemed unstoppable. By this time, the Reich had gained ample enough territory to execute Generalplan Ost, better known as the Final Solution, or its later name, the Holocaust. Between 1940 and the fall of the Reich, millions upon millions of men, women, and children were captured, tortured, enslaved, and murdered by the Nazis. Unlike Japan's atrocities, which were more in the vein of senseless tides of butchery, the Germans were cold and mechanical in their rounding up, dehumanizing, and obliteration of Jews, Slavs, gypsies, homosexuals, communists, and anyone who dared disagree with the Führer's wishes. This had been Adolf Hitler's plan all along. He believed the German people needed Lebensraum--living space--and that Russia and the East was that territory to be settled. On November 27, 1941, after weeks of being at the city's doorstep, German troops captured the Soviet capital of Moscow. That same night, Joseph Stalin attempted to flee east for the Ural Mountains. Around midnight, he boarded the last train out of the city, but it was stopped by an artillery shell to the tracks. The train derailed, and Stalin was killed in the crash. His corpse was discovered by the Germans the next morning, and it was prominently burned in the middle of Red Square as the Holocaust gripped Moscow. Field Marshal Georgy Zhukov was captured and executed as well, though most of the Politburo managed to escape the destruction, and Andrei Zhdanov was named Premier of the Soviet Union. When Moscow fell, the rest of the USSR collapsed into a downward spiral. Leningrad was taken next, and by mid-1942 most of the Caucasus was in German hands, though the former SSRs of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan narrowly beat them back at the foot of the mountains and subsequently unted into a chaotic anti-Nazi federation. The Germans pressed further into Russia, eventually being forced to stop just miles away from the Urals. The Soviet Union degraded further, as much of Central Asia broke away to form the rife-with-ethnic-tension Federal Republic of Turkestan and anti-communist rumblings stirred in the Far East.

Japan's one-man crusade to form a sphere of prosperity in East Asia was going poorly. Though invincible on the surface, the Empire, like the Soviets, were in fact rotten to the core. Though the IJN rivaled the USN in size and power at the start of the Pacific War, what set the two sides apart was Japan's inability to rebuild their fleet if ships were sunk. Meanwhile, the Americans cranked out dozens of new ships a month. At the Battle of Midway in June of 1942, the IJN was repulsed from western waters, four of their best ships were sunk, and the tide of war was firmly turned in America's favor. After that, General Douglas MacArthur led the United States on an island-hopping excursion across the seas, culminating in the titanic Battle of Okinawa, which lasted for three months in the summer and autumn of 1944. The fight was one of the most brutal in modern history, and the plans for Operation Downfall, the amphibious invasion of the Japanese Home Isles, soon became entirely unappealing. Luckily, there was another solution: the atom bomb.

In 1940, soon after the Failure of Dunkirk, warmongering Prime Minister Winston Churchill launched the Tube Alloys program, a Commonwealth-wide effort to develop nuclear weapons. With the Pacific War hardly occupying all of Britannia's time, work on the project accelerated at an exponential pace. Following United States' entry into the war in 1941, the American counterpart to Tube Alloys, the Manhattan Project, was started, eventually growing to absorb Tube Alloys entirely. Now a truly international project with seemingly endless amounts of funding and some of the greatest scientific minds the world had ever seen behind it, progress was quick, and on December 7, 1944, three years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Trinity test took place. There, in the deserts of New Mexico, the first atomic bomb was dropped, creating a crater two-hundred-and-fifty feet wide in the sand. The remaining pair of bombs were immediately sent out to the front. On February 13, 1945, the Japanese city of Hiroshima was decimated by "Little Boy." Three days later, after no word of surrender had been delivered, Nagasaki was obliterated by "Fat Man." On February 20, 1945, after a failed coup attempt by the military, the Empire of Japan officially surrendered.

There was much celebration in the Anglosphere, but very little jubilation was felt anywhere else. The Axis Powers griped and groaned about losing their Asian ally, but Adolf Hitler was silently content with the development, no longer having to pay lip service to people he considered beneath him for how they looked and acted. The Soviets struggled on in their noble cause to hold back the Germans, as a sort of informal armistice came into effect. Despite keeping up the claims of continued advancement into Russia at home, the Führer had been convinced (this being no small feat in and of itself) to end total war and reign back the Wehrmacht to merely hold the line at the Urals. In the meantime, a new world order blanketed East Asia. Japan and Korea were put under American occupation for seven and four years respectively. These occupations were intended to lead to smooth transitions to functioning local governments. For the former, a parliamentary democracy with the Emperor as a figurehead was installed, while in the latter, a presidential republic in the vein of the United States was implemented. Indonesia was returned to the Dutch and the British colonies were returned to the British, though Indochina was granted independence. Vietnam quickly turned communist, but surprisingly, the Americans weren't appalled. Anyone who opposed the Axis was their friend, and Ho Chi Minh was no friend of Adolf Hitler. The United States and Great Britain both had more pressing matters on their hand in any case: the Chinese Civil War. With the fall of the Japanese, China had been thrust into total chaos once more, with the deathmatch between Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists and Mao Zedong's Communists taking center stage. Now, while the West didn't mind communism, anything else was preferable if there was a chance of changing the minds of a country. Vietnam was a lost cause to capitalism, but China was not. In a show of postwar strength, the United States fully inserted itself into the Chinese Civil War on the side of the Nationalists in 1948. Industry in Japan and Korea boomed as demands for the American war machine grew. By October 1951, the communists had been routed, Mao Zedong was dead, and Chiang Kai-shek ruled from Beijing.

The Third Reich had won the wars in Europe. The United States had won the wars in Asia. Both sides were seemingly untouchable superpowers an ocean apart with global reach. President Roosevelt wanted nothing more than to invade the Germans right then and there, but his hands were tied. The people were still opposed to war, and Hitler had become just rational enough in his growing age to realize that an invasion of the Anglosphere was unviable at the present time, and likely wouldn't ever be viable. With no way to truly face off, by 1948 the transatlantic staring contest developed into a collection of proxy wars and ideological conflicts known as the Cold War.

With the major wars done, the Axis were free to act on their pent-up aggressions and went about making true their grand plans for empire. The British had swooped in from 1942 to 1944, expelling the Axis from southern West Africa in a series of informal "wars" the general public knew nothing about. Then, from the fascist French State, Tunisia and French Sudan were transferred to Italy, and Morocco fought and won a war of independence that the Germans couldn't be bothered to intervene in. In 1949, Francisco Franco's Spain officially joined the Axis Powers, though he fell more in line with Mussolini's hardline Catholicism than the increasingly erratic Hitler, who was hard at work building up an occultist variant of Norse mythology as the new national religion of the Third Reich. Meanwhile, a new military alliance was born, the South Seas-European-American Treaty Organization, or SEATO, officially linking together the United States, Canada, Mexico, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Iceland, Australia, and New Zealand in a mutual defense pact. Later additions included Japan, Korea, Sumatra, Java, the West Indies Federation, and much of Central America. Lines were being drawn, but not every nation could be put in a box. Finland, Portugal, and China formed the crux of the Non-Aligned Movement, an unorganized movement for neutrality in the Cold War where both sides were played off each other, Allies versus Axis.

Try as they might to delay the twilight, the sun was slowly setting on the British Empire. In 1947 the people of Egypt revolted against Anglo-American dominance and their oppressive monarchy and won their independence fair and square, with no help from the Axis. Egypt was emboldened, but they soon realized they were in no shape to go it alone in the scary new world, especially since the British retained the Suez Canal and the Sinai Peninsula, and they rejoined SEATO barely half a year later. A similar situation went down in northern Arabia, where the Hashemites of Jordan, backed by the British, went on a conquering spree to form the Western-aligned, oil-spewing United Arab States in 1948. The Axis set its sights on the Middle East as well around that time. In 1950, the Italians decided they wanted the old city of Constantinople and control over the Straits, and so they launched an invasion of Turkey that summer. Their armed forces, however, were still more than incompetent, and the Turks were initially victorious. Then came the Germans, as powerful as ever, and the Turks were crushed. Given that the Axis now had full control over Anatolia, Hitler brought his own brand of cultural genocide to the region, purging Turkey of Islam altogether. This reflected Hitler's ongoing descent into occultism and paganism. All across Nazi Germany, Christianity was gradually falling to the wayside as a new brand of Norse mythos took over. Adolf Hitler, it said, was the reincarnation of Odin, and his greatest general Erwin Rommel was Thor. Many other high-ranking Nazis came to be seen as demigods on Earth as well. In 1955, Hitler officially went off the deep end and changed his official title from "Führer" to "All-Father and Führer of the Greater Germanic Reich."

In 1948, word leaked out of Berlin about Generalplan Ost and the Final Solution, thanks to an American reporter and her daring attempts to show the Germans for who they really were to the world. The entire globe was appalled at what had transpired. The Nazis had exterminated twenty-five million people by the end of that year, this number mostly consisting of Jews and Slavs, though numerous other groups were represented as well. Utterly horrified, the United States and the Commonwealth created the new Underground Railroad, covertly setting up paths through Nazi Europe leading to anywhere the Allies could risk trying to get someone out--neutral Portugal, Sweden, or Finland, or a port on the English Channel. It's estimated that several million people were saved from the horrors of the Holocaust due to this initiative. The majority of the Jews who fled the continent moved to either the United States or to the Republic of Israel in the Holy Land, which had been set up as a new Jewish homeland far enough from Germany's reach. The anti-Semitism that so defined Nazi ideology had other negative effects on the Reich, most notably Germany's avoidance of nuclear technology, which Hitler dismissed as "Jewish pseudoscience." Despite having more than enough materials, time, funding, and ability to develop a nuclear bomb, the Third Reich would never do so.

All was not well in the Middle Kingdom. In 1951, almost immediately after the Nationalist victory in China, the United States was ejected from the nation. President Chiang was suspicious of American meddling, especially after seeing the complete transformations of Japan and Korea, and he declined to align himself with anyone. Being neutral in Asia meant that all of China's goals could easily be sought after. All it took was a little… convincing. Even after winning the war and expelling what remained of Mao's movement to the far west, the people were still divided based on their political alignments. Only one great, big, unifying event could heal those wounds any faster. Enter the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Proudly led by Ho Chi Minh and a halfhearted American ally, many in China saw Minh's state as illegitimate and rightful Chinese clay. So, on March 14, 1952, the Republic of China invaded Vietnam from the north. At this, the Germans attempted to open diplomatic relations with Beijing, but Chiang was having none of it and he openly delivered speeches decrying the Americans and Germans both. The Anglosphere in Asia degraded as well in 1952 when, after years of deliberation and disagreement, civil war broke out in the British Raj. Negotiations with London hadn't been getting anywhere, and after five years of being promised "independence, eventually" with precious little to show for it, the subcontinent was fed up. The British were quickly expelled from the north, where the Hindus and Muslims erected their own republics in Pakistan, Bengal, Assam, and the greater Ganges area. In the south, though, the British held on for longer, maintaining good relations with Hyderabad, Bombay, and the Tamil Republic and keeping a hold on the Maldives and Ceylon. In 1958, the southern Indian nations would officially join the Commonwealth, tying themselves to London. The other mess in China's vicinity was the former Soviet Union, which was just barely hanging on by a thread. After the Pacific War the Americans had annexed the island of Sakhalin and much of Polynesia, and with those additions alongside their absorption of Greenland after the Danish fell in '40, a new wave of expansionism hit the United States. Throughout the 1950s, following the victory in China, the Americans would begin meddling in Siberia. After the 1953 Counter-Revolution in Vladivostok, the US stepped in to support a fledgling Russian Republic centered around the city. Needless to say, the Soviets were enraged, and they began bombing the Americans, too. In an effort to restore order and security (or so they said), the US crossed the Bering Strait in mid-1953 and annexed the Kamchatka region. The peacekeeping mission had warped into a fulfillment of new Manifest Destiny.

The mid-1950s were a major turning point in the Cold War. In 1955, the Nazis finally acted on their impulses and invaded Sweden. However, unlike the relatively easy time the Reich had had in invading Turkey, the Swedish War was not so simple. Germany had been on the decline ever since the great wars of the 1940s. The whole rotten edifice of Nazism, time and time again, threatened to come crashing down due to ideological fanaticism, internal disagreements, and the unstoppable tide of propaganda. The only thing keeping Nazi Germany together by 1955 was the All-Father and Führer himself, though as Hitler's health degraded he rarely made public appearances anymore. The war in Sweden, then, was the Nazi's Winter War. The Swedes, despite not having fought in a war since 1814 and facing down arguably the most powerful nation on Earth, hung on for well over a year, even going without Anglo-American aid for the first four months. Eventually, Sweden was ground down and forced into German arms, but it had been worryingly difficult. Across the seas, the exact opposite was going on. On December 11, 1955, the Atlantic Union was formed, a supranational organization economically and politically linking the United States, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Panama, the West Indies Federation, Colombia, Venezuela, Iceland, Ireland, and the United Kingdom under one banner.

Over the next nine years, the Cold War only heightened. In 1956, the Nazis launched the first object into space, the satellite Vaterland, kicking off the Space Race and leading to German creatures in space by 1958, American men in space by 1960, and American boots on the lunar surface by 1967. In 1959, the peoples of the islands of Sumatra and Java in the Dutch East Indies rebelled against European tyrrany, leading to their independence and the long march to the end of colonialism in East Asia. In the United States, the Civil Rights Movement kicked off in the middle of the 1950s, as public outcry over the hypocrisy of American foreign policy decrying Nazism while upholding Jim Crow at home reached a head. By 1961, segregation hd been struck down and paved over across the nation, with groups like the Ku Klux Klan and Confederate-flag-waving racists being declared fascists and potential enemies of the United States and the natural world order. America continued its slide to the left to oppose Nazism, employing many New Deal-esque programs over the years and eventually forcing the Atlantic Union and Commonwealth to cut all ties with South Africa, whose system of apartheid was far too similar to those entrenched in Europe. But the biggest shocker came in 1964. On December 2, Adolph Hitler was attending a Hitler Youth rally, the first one he'd spoken at in over a decade. As he was climbing the stairs of the concert hall the rally was being held in, he tripped, and, his body racked by Parkinson's disease and the tremors that come with it, was unable to catch himself. He hit his temple on the railing and was killed instantly.

What followed was utter chaos. In Germania--the new name of the new and improved Berlin (nevermind the fact that the city was sinking into the mud)--Hermann Göring was named the new Führer, as per Hitler's wishes. However, not everyone was happy about this, namely, the power-hungry Heinrich Himmler, who attempted to launch a military coup barely a week into Göring's reign. It failed, but Himmler managed to escape to the east, where he rallied the SS and the units of the Wehrmacht managing the Reichskommissariats and the ongoing Holocaust to his side. It was civil war.

The entire globe was thrown into a panic over this--the Axis were worried, the Allies were ecstatic. This was the genesis of the Second World War. An old war plan was taken down off the shelf--Operation Overlord--dusted off, and reimagined for the modern day as Operation Nemesis. The Soviets quickly began regaining ground, storming back into their stolen lands. From Gibraltar, Egypt, and Morocco, Atlantean strikes were staged, sweeping through an unprepared Axis North Africa under Operation Typhoon and piercing Spain and Italy's soft underbellies. Nationalist uprisings in Poland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the Baltics broke out. The Thousand-Year Reich was crumbling before the world's eyes. On July 16, 1964, Operation Nemesis was finally launched. British, American, Canadian, Australian, Mexican, Japanese, and Egyptian troops massed in southeast England crossed the Channel in the largest amphibious military operation in history, landing at Calais and Dunkirk in a deliciously poetic reversal of the event that had knocked the British out of the war all those years ago. Subsequent landings at Normandy, the Hague, and Schleswig-Holstein were just as successful and just as hard fought. When the Allies arrived, the French, Belgians, and Dutch begain their own rebellions. The Reich was collapsing. Onwards the Allies pressed, with the Americans leading the charge across Europe, liberating the peoples there and putting a stop to the lingering systems still in place from the height of the Holocaust. In just over a year, the Americans were at the edge of Germania, and on July 30, 1965, the war came to an end when Himmler was captured and Göring committed suicide. Adolph Hitler's dream had faced a rude awakening.

The postwar world was very different from anything that came before. The Soviet Union reannexed all the land it had lost to the Germans during the Cold War, though they had serious issues repopulating it for quite a while. The same could be said for the Federation of Zapadoslavia, the union formed out of the ashes of Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia. Millions upon millions of Eastern Europeans had been slaughtered, leaving these lands mostly populated by ethnic Germans. That was not to be tolerated. Zapadoslavia and the USSR engaged in an enormous revenge plot together, forcibly removing German residents from their regained territories. Those that struggled were shot. Those that went without a fight were shipped off to the new "prison" that was the German Confederation, a loose confederacy of states packed with almost all ethnic Germans in Europe. This new Germany was kept under the watchful eye of the new United Nations, as a campaign of de-Nazification and collective guilt for the Holocaust was embarked upon by the occupying Allied forces. Though some predicted a new Cold War might break out between East and West, the East was simply too exhausted to do anything but play along. In Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States took the brunt of restoring order to chaotic Axis colonies, making sure to install mostly functioning governments before leaving that would not immediately sink into dictatorships and poverty as soon as they left. The only major holdover from the Cold War was the fascist governments that characterized sub-Amazonian South America. Nations like Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and Bolivia, just to name a few, had fallen to fascism over the course of the conflict. Brazil was the most worrying to the United States, so when they spotted an opportunity in 1969, they took it, artificially creating a succession crisis after assassinating the president and subsequently intervening in the ensuing civil war on the side of democracy. The rest of the countries in the region skated by undetected, though all but Argentina would eventually revert to democracy or communism by the 21st century.

The world of 1982 is very different from the world of the Cold War. After showing the absolute worst side of humanity for so long, the memory of the Nazis lives on as a reminder of everything not to be. Liberal democracy and international unity is growing rapidly, and even the Soviet Union, once the epitome of totalitarianism and isolationism, has begun to transition to democratic socialism under its new constitution. Humanity reaches out to the stars together with the United Nations Space Administration, and a crusade against global injustice and for care of the environment is exploding across the globe. It seems that President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the man who led the United States through the Great Depression, the Pacific War, and the opening act of the Cold War, was right in his assertion that the only thing we have to truly fear, is fear itself.

HeX · Jul 9, 2020

My first map of the new thread! Also, obligatory disclaimer that I do not support any of the politics that would certainly flourish in a Nazi victory scenario (fascism, anti-Semitism, etc.).

Balkanized U.S.A · Jul 9, 2020

OH.
MY.
GOD.
YES.
Now, I'll post a map of my own.

Thus is the New World, in the Cold War. The USA vs the USSA. The People's Republic of Brazil ominously in the backround. A divided Guyana. The Caracas Pact. The Peru-Bolivia-Chilean Federation. This...... is a new America.

traveller76 · Jul 9, 2020

Baconheimer said:
And here is my first map of this thread!

These maps were great, please keep it up.

HeX · Jul 9, 2020

@Balkanized U.S.A you should either threadmark every map or no maps.

Selvetrica · Jul 9, 2020

@Balkanized U.S.A I got to agree, I was iffy rushing the map thread before 500 for some reason?, but we shouldn't be calling out favorites in the map threads

targy793 · Jul 9, 2020

HeX said:
My first map of the new thread! Also, obligatory disclaimer that I do not support any of the politics that would certainly flourish in a Nazi victory scenario (fascism, anti-Semitism, etc.).

Interesting timeline, and good characterization of the American view of the whole thing. I have to ask, if Finland was neutral, then did they not intervene against the Soviets with the Germans? If not, then where did their gains in Karelia come from?
Also, what prompted some of Central Asia to break away but not the rest of the (still majority Muslim) nations in the region? And on that note, if Islam is 'eradicated' in Turkey, then what does this new secular nation look like and follow? Just a few questions to flesh out the timeline

HeX · Jul 9, 2020

targy793 said:
Interesting timeline, and good characterization of the American view of the whole thing.

Thank you!

targy793 said:
I have to ask, if Finland was neutral, then did they not intervene against the Soviets with the Germans? If not, then where did their gains in Karelia come from?

I neglected to mention that the Winter War was fought as IOTL. After that, though, the Finns took a solidly neutral stance.

targy793 said:
Also, what prompted some of Central Asia to break away but not the rest of the (still majority Muslim) nations in the region?

It's less about who wanted to break away and more about who could break away. The Soviets couldn't project their power much further than the Aral Sea at that time, so the Muslims south of that area managed to break free but the ones in the north were put down by the Soviet boot.

targy793 said:
And on that note, if Islam is 'eradicated' in Turkey, then what does this new secular nation look like and follow?

Islam was removed from a public view between the invasion of Anatolia and the end of the Cold War, though it was still practiced in private. Officially secular Turkey is no religion at all, though the whackjobs the Nazis put in power there are likely to be atheists, occultists, or pagans. All Islamic practices and symbols were banned as well. Not much more for me to really say there, unless you can think of something specific. Think of the tinpot dictator in Ankara being the exact opposite of the government put in power during the Iranian Revolution.

FiendslayerPrime1976 · Jul 9, 2020

HeX said:
My first map of the new thread! Also, obligatory disclaimer that I do not support any of the politics that would certainly flourish in a Nazi victory scenario (fascism, anti-Semitism, etc.).

Oh yeah, great work on your first map/timeline for this thread HeX... I like it a lot!

Baconheimer · Jul 9, 2020

traveller76 said:
These maps were great, please keep it up.

Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have any concrete plans for another one of these, but I would like to do more of these in the future.