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Hadaril links to the color scheme he uses in that thread, but here's a direct link.
Looks good to me.
They've done a good job at the African states for the time, but North American native states are still left out in favor of European claims.
So for 1750, the Five / Six Nations were still in control of significant territories west of the Appalachians, and south of the Ohio, and in the north of what is now New York state, and still in a position to defend their lands and engage in (unequal) treaties with the Europeans, they weren't unorganized or loosely aligned together.
I've posted versions of this before, but have substantially updated it. The realm of East Florida from the UAR-verse:
La Gobernación de la Florida Oriental, or the Governate of East Florida, is a semi-autonomous member of the Union of American Realms (UAR). East Florida is one of only two members of the UAR to be majority non-English speaking[1], with most East Floridians speaking Florideño Spanish at home, though English is taught at all levels of education within the realm alongside Spanish. As a constituent realm within the UAR, East Florida is organized as a governate, where-in the chief executive is elected to a life long tenure and holds substantial authority[2] over the realms government. Chief executives in governates across the UAR typically carry the title of 'Lord-Governor of the Realm,' and this is true in part for East Florida. The East Florida Constitution recognizes the official title of its chief executive as 'Lord-Governor' when being addressed in English, but as 'Alto Gobernador(a)' if being addressed in Spanish; though the direct translation of the Spanish legal title would be High-Governor, this is not recognized by the realm's constitution. In addition, Florida is one of only two realms that selects its executive, in part, by way of an electoral college.[3]
East Florida's origins lay in the colonial era, when Spain colonized the peninsula. The area was home to a number of indigenous people at the time of Spanish exploration and colonization, though subjugation by the Europeans and disease devastated their numbers. Nonetheless, the region was not as populated initially as Spain's other holdings, such as those in the Caribbean, and indigenous groups were able to maintain their presence throughout the territory. Spain's official control over the territory lasted until 1702, when the signing of the Treaty of Valencia saw the region transferred to France.
Though the French adopted aggressive franconisation policies on the island of Haiti[4], also acquired in the treaty, it chose to leave Florida largely autonomous and incentivized the Spanish population of the area to stay. The area's Spanish population was bolstered during the French period as a result of La politique de francisation d'Haïti, the brutal and dramatic policy instated by colonial governor Jean-Paul Gerard Rochette[5] to remove nearly all Spanish from the island of Haiti. Florida was chosen as the destination of thousands of Spanish Dominicans forcibly relocated by the French colonial government in the first half fo the 18th century. The ordeal, known today as Flight of the Spanish Dominicans, has been officially recognized as an act of tribucide[6] by many modern nations, including the Union of American Realms, the Republic of Colombia[7], the Republic of Colorado[8], and even the Dominican Kingdom[9]. The events bolstered the Spanish population of East Florida significantly in the early 18th century.
East Florida eventually came under British domination in the 1760s following the Six Years War[10], but the British attempts to exert their authority over the colony was rejected by its Spanish-speaking residents. The British period was marked by instability and violence, and a revolt against British rule began a few years prior to the greater revolts that occurred across the British colonies a decade later. When Britain's other colonies revolted as well, East Florida's leaders joined them under the agreement that they'd seek to create a unified, autonomous confederation. This is how East Florida ended up joining the UAR, it's only Spanish-majority realm. Hostilities with the other realm's persisted, however, particularly with Georgia, and East Florida was the subject of considerable ire as an "outsider" realm within the Confederation. Throughout the 19th century, proposals to have East Florida removed from the confederation occasionally gained traction both from East Florida itself and from its neighbors - none came to fruition. East Florida lost about half of its population in the mid-19th century, albeit willingly, when it agreed to the creation of the Mayami Confederacy[11] in order to end the realm's hostilities with indigenous people in the area.
Though historically an agricultural society with a low population, East Florida experienced a population boom in the 20th century that has not ceased. It became a top destination for Spanish immigrants from war-torn parts of the Americas and from Spain throughout the 20th century and also attracted growing numbers of immigrants from other realms as it billed itself as the confederation's premier tourist destination. The confederations main movie industry is centered around Nuevo Léon, and its many beachside communities attract large numbers of immigrants and tourists yearly. Today, East Florida is the second most populous realm in the entire confederation, second only to New York, with a highly diversified economy.
East Florida's origins lay in the colonial era, when Spain colonized the peninsula. The area was home to a number of indigenous people at the time of Spanish exploration and colonization, though subjugation by the Europeans and disease devastated their numbers. Nonetheless, the region was not as populated initially as Spain's other holdings, such as those in the Caribbean, and indigenous groups were able to maintain their presence throughout the territory. Spain's official control over the territory lasted until 1702, when the signing of the Treaty of Valencia saw the region transferred to France.
Though the French adopted aggressive franconisation policies on the island of Haiti[4], also acquired in the treaty, it chose to leave Florida largely autonomous and incentivized the Spanish population of the area to stay. The area's Spanish population was bolstered during the French period as a result of La politique de francisation d'Haïti, the brutal and dramatic policy instated by colonial governor Jean-Paul Gerard Rochette[5] to remove nearly all Spanish from the island of Haiti. Florida was chosen as the destination of thousands of Spanish Dominicans forcibly relocated by the French colonial government in the first half fo the 18th century. The ordeal, known today as Flight of the Spanish Dominicans, has been officially recognized as an act of tribucide[6] by many modern nations, including the Union of American Realms, the Republic of Colombia[7], the Republic of Colorado[8], and even the Dominican Kingdom[9]. The events bolstered the Spanish population of East Florida significantly in the early 18th century.
East Florida eventually came under British domination in the 1760s following the Six Years War[10], but the British attempts to exert their authority over the colony was rejected by its Spanish-speaking residents. The British period was marked by instability and violence, and a revolt against British rule began a few years prior to the greater revolts that occurred across the British colonies a decade later. When Britain's other colonies revolted as well, East Florida's leaders joined them under the agreement that they'd seek to create a unified, autonomous confederation. This is how East Florida ended up joining the UAR, it's only Spanish-majority realm. Hostilities with the other realm's persisted, however, particularly with Georgia, and East Florida was the subject of considerable ire as an "outsider" realm within the Confederation. Throughout the 19th century, proposals to have East Florida removed from the confederation occasionally gained traction both from East Florida itself and from its neighbors - none came to fruition. East Florida lost about half of its population in the mid-19th century, albeit willingly, when it agreed to the creation of the Mayami Confederacy[11] in order to end the realm's hostilities with indigenous people in the area.
Though historically an agricultural society with a low population, East Florida experienced a population boom in the 20th century that has not ceased. It became a top destination for Spanish immigrants from war-torn parts of the Americas and from Spain throughout the 20th century and also attracted growing numbers of immigrants from other realms as it billed itself as the confederation's premier tourist destination. The confederations main movie industry is centered around Nuevo Léon, and its many beachside communities attract large numbers of immigrants and tourists yearly. Today, East Florida is the second most populous realm in the entire confederation, second only to New York, with a highly diversified economy.
[1] - The other is the Grand Duchy of Canada, where the majority speak Canadian French at home.
[2] - The UAR is made up of 37 constituent member states, each led by an executive-for-life and organized in one of five particular government forms:
[4] - In TTL, the island of Hispaniola was renamed Haïti by the French after they got control of it in its entirety in 1702; while the island is called Haiti, its people are known as Dominicans (dominicaines).
[5] - A figure endemic to TTL.
[6] - A TTL term for genocide.
[7] - Essentially a surviving Gran Colombia, which in OTL was known simply as Colombia, being referred as Gran Colombia only later to differentiate it from the modern state of Colombia.
[8] - A Spanish-speaking nation that dominates the OTL US southwest.
[9] - The nation that controls the island of Haiti in the present day of this TL.
[10] - A large war that occurred between varying European powers in the middle of the 18th century akin to the OTL Seven Years War.
[11] - A native confederacy spanning what is OTL South Florida, named for the historic Mayami people and the large lake located within the realm, Lake Mayami, which itself is known as Lake Okeechobee in OTL.
[2] - The UAR is made up of 37 constituent member states, each led by an executive-for-life and organized in one of five particular government forms:
(a) - Governates: 13 of the 37 constituent realms of the UAR are organized as governates, like East Florida, making it the plurality form of government found across the UAR. Governates tend to have both strong executives and strong legislatures, though which is stronger varies.
(b) - Counties: 12 of the realms are organized as counties, a form of organization that originated in the New England region and spread to the Midwest by way of New Englanders who settled in the midwest. Counties tend to be somewhere between Governates and Grand Duchies - they typically (but not always) have hereditary executives who hold considerable power, alongside legislatures that include powerful, popularly elected bodies. Peers in counties typically have no legislative function, but do oversee considerable local authorities over their respective earldoms.
(c) - Grand Duchies: The most aristocratic of the realms, there are four Grand Duchies (Canada, Carolina, Maryland and Palmetto). They typically have strong executives and legislatives heavily influenced by their respective peerages. The Grand Duchies have historically been the most realmist of the realms, i.e., they've typically advocated for a less-centralist confederal system.
(d) - Commonwealths: 4 of the 37 realms are organized as commonwealths. Executives in Commonwealths are the weakest of all, with largely ceremonial roles within their realms. Legislatures tend to have most of the authority in these realms, or executive functions are placed in executive councils. Peerages are typically weak in the four commonwealths, though Virginia and Riviera's peers hold some semblance of power by way of their slight legislative authority. Executives are selected by either the legislature, the populace, or a mixture, in Commonwealths.
(e) - Native Confederacies: The 4 native confederacies are the most autonomous type of realm and were all created in attempts to settle disputes with varying indigenous groups across the confederation in the 19th century. The first was the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, and it is also the only one of the four to have existed prior to the UAR itself. Though they were intended to be native majority realms, many have opened up to non-native emigration.
[3] - The Governate of Michigan is the other realm that employs an electoral college in its selection of an executive.[4] - In TTL, the island of Hispaniola was renamed Haïti by the French after they got control of it in its entirety in 1702; while the island is called Haiti, its people are known as Dominicans (dominicaines).
[5] - A figure endemic to TTL.
[6] - A TTL term for genocide.
[7] - Essentially a surviving Gran Colombia, which in OTL was known simply as Colombia, being referred as Gran Colombia only later to differentiate it from the modern state of Colombia.
[8] - A Spanish-speaking nation that dominates the OTL US southwest.
[9] - The nation that controls the island of Haiti in the present day of this TL.
[10] - A large war that occurred between varying European powers in the middle of the 18th century akin to the OTL Seven Years War.
[11] - A native confederacy spanning what is OTL South Florida, named for the historic Mayami people and the large lake located within the realm, Lake Mayami, which itself is known as Lake Okeechobee in OTL.
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@Osk awesome! I like how it's actually an alternate Florida with towns and roads in different places and not just Florida with differently named towns and roads.
Yeah, some places were going to be similar to OTL by default of location like Espiritu Santo/Tampa, and Puerto Carolina/Jacksonville, but the historical differences (a large emphasis of San Agustin, for example) along with the high population of the area in TTL, meant I had to figure out alternate urban development. I ended deciding on the coastal areas being the main benefactors of urbanization, but where a lot of this happened in South Florida in OTL, here it occurred in coastal northeast Florida and much more in the Tampa Bay Area than in OTL. The upper St. John's River was also significantly more urbanized in TTL, which means the area is probably worst off pollution wise, unfortunately.
For the roads, it became an "All Roads lead to San Agustin" type of situation
Martinus Padueius
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Yeah this past weekend I was actually around Lake George from Salt Springs to a bit downriver, nowhere near as populated as your map, and I'm glad about it 🥴Yeah, some places were going to be similar to OTL by default of location like Espiritu Santo/Tampa, and Puerto Carolina/Jacksonville, but the historical differences (a large emphasis of San Agustin, for example) along with the high population of the area in TTL, meant I had to figure out alternate urban development. I ended deciding on the coastal areas being the main benefactors of urbanization, but where a lot of this happened in South Florida in OTL, here it occurred in coastal northeast Florida and much more in the Tampa Bay Area than in OTL. The upper St. John's River was also significantly more urbanized in TTL, which means the area is probably worst off pollution wise, unfortunately.
For the roads, it became an "All Roads lead to San Agustin" type of situation
That's an... interesting Deseret. Assuming it's supposed to be majority-Mormon, I'd anticipate they would take Idaho (or at least part of it) long before annexing Kansas and Colorado.
Aesthetically, this map looks great, but I take issue with some of the stranger choices made here, mostly the lack of a Mid-Atlantic state. I'd say that "Dixie" should only extend to the Potomac and "New England" should stop at Vermont/Connecticut. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and D.C. all have much more in common with each other than the main regions they've been lumped into in this map--I should know, as I'm from Maryland and have lived in the Mid-Atlantic region all my life.
The discussion was on indexing maps in this thread not previous ones.
Yes, and do you not think this one will get longer? OP will have to be on for the duration and doing it, and judging by his lack of etiquette in spitting out a very early thread, I don't know if you can ask that of him and see it done.
It was originally a Morman state but nowadays (2080) it's mostly a mixture of Southwest Culture and Morman culture.
That doesn't seem realistic, considering Atlantica (what I'm calling it now) would be one of the wealthiest countries due to there being New York, Philly, and D.C. right there. Also, Dixie definitely wouldn't be able to invade Atlantica, and to be honest I doubt New England would even want to. War and expansionism doesn't match the character of New England, and of course annexing New York on its own would probably make New England turn into "NYC and Pals" before too long.
Here is a map of a possible second US Civil War, still with PoD as the assassination of FDR. The prevailing economic and political instability, many political clans vie for power, until the army, in the person of Mac Arthur, takes power. Other small groups were born: the partisans of the 2nd Republic, the Communists with the USSA, the National Socialists of America, then Texas, which proclaimed its independence and defended itself in the form of armed militias. Taking advantage of this, the Japanese land on the California coast, and penetrate further into the country. In response, Britain sent troops from Canada to counter or even repel the Japanese. This will be one of the triggers for WWII.
I tried to make a slightly different version of "The Falcon cannot hear" through this card.
I tried to make a slightly different version of "The Falcon cannot hear" through this card.
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