The Anglo/American - Nazi War - The on-going mystery
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Bookmark1995
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No.
But it is undeniable that the Nazis took much inspiration from the seedier sides of American history.
Worse, you quite clearly said Nazi Germany was adhering to American racial policy.
"copy-pasted from" =/= "loosely inspired by"
Bookmark1995
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Well....
What does it say that Henry Ford was an inspiration to Nazis?
The only thing that makes Ford a better person was having the decency to feel horrible about the death camps. But that doesn't erase the fact his promotion of antisemitism in mass media inspired other Nazis to do the same.
What does it say that he wasn't a policy maker in the American government?
Put the goalposts back where you found them or just admit to being wrong.
@CalBear I wanted to edit the Anglo american nazi war tvtropes page, adding the following entries, but only if you approve them:
Dropped a Bridge on him: Albert Speer, who hids "on the wrong bunker at the wrong time" and most likely gets nuked to death. Considering what he did in our timeline and on this timeline, including organizing the nazi slave labour system, it counts as a case of asshole victim.
Defiant to the end: Joseph Goebbels dies in Berlin as the allied polish troops raids his bunker, Himller also commits suicide on another facility.
Failure is the only option: By the time the allies have secured France, there is nothing left that can prevent the reich from losing the war. Of course they won't accept it.
Back from the brink: Russia, Poland,. the baltics, two ukrainians, Czechia and other long dead states are brought to life after the end of the war.
Offing the Offspring: Just like OTL, Joseph Goebbels try to kill his whole family to prevent them from living "On a world without national socialism". Fortunately for his daughters, they are now full grown up and some escapes their father ire. Also a case of Terrifying rescuer since the allied troops that discover them are the poles who suffered massively at the hands of the nazis and thus are up for their blood.
Hiding the handicap: Hitler has a brain death shortly after the war is re-ignited.
I wanted to make one more about Göring asking if would be a good idea to escape to Argentina, but I didn't found any good trope for it.
Dropped a Bridge on him: Albert Speer, who hids "on the wrong bunker at the wrong time" and most likely gets nuked to death. Considering what he did in our timeline and on this timeline, including organizing the nazi slave labour system, it counts as a case of asshole victim.
Defiant to the end: Joseph Goebbels dies in Berlin as the allied polish troops raids his bunker, Himller also commits suicide on another facility.
Failure is the only option: By the time the allies have secured France, there is nothing left that can prevent the reich from losing the war. Of course they won't accept it.
Back from the brink: Russia, Poland,. the baltics, two ukrainians, Czechia and other long dead states are brought to life after the end of the war.
Offing the Offspring: Just like OTL, Joseph Goebbels try to kill his whole family to prevent them from living "On a world without national socialism". Fortunately for his daughters, they are now full grown up and some escapes their father ire. Also a case of Terrifying rescuer since the allied troops that discover them are the poles who suffered massively at the hands of the nazis and thus are up for their blood.
Hiding the handicap: Hitler has a brain death shortly after the war is re-ignited.
I wanted to make one more about Göring asking if would be a good idea to escape to Argentina, but I didn't found any good trope for it.
Bookmark1995
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ArgentinaIsNaziland: In this case, the trope is utterly DEFIED. Since Nazis are so hated, they aren't even welcome in South America.
There is not way how some nazi could go hide to Argentina or some other country. Not way that any country would accept them. It would be national suicide. If Argentina or someone else country find nazi on their soil they just kill him or arrest and hand to Allies. You just not be going protect even common Waffen-SS soldier.
i would also "General Failure" and "deconstruction" to the list.
General failure: Adolf Hitler manages to restart the war with the western Allies, after ordering a disastrous bombing raid against New York. Not only he approves the use use of aircrafts not suitable for the mission, plagued by numerous technical problems, but he also orders the bombing of symbolic targets that would not have damaged in any way the war effort of the allies.
Deconstruction: of the "Nazis victory" cliches. The Reich is presented as an isolated hellhole with virtually no allies outside the occupied parts of Europe.Likewise it is shown multiple times its leaders are either utter incompetent (with nepotism being a rampant issue) or completely blinded to their devotion to the Aryan race, often committing distrous mistakes as result of their contempt against the Western Powers and their "inferior allies".
Screw this, i am out of here: the Italian government quickly abbandons the nazis once the peninsula is invaded by the allies
- Les Collaborateurs: The various European governments had to collaborate with their Nazi overlords. When the Allied forces came, most of them secretly surrender to the Allies while trying to avoid annihilation by the Reich. The trope namer had th continue the charade, since the Vichy French Head of State was executed by the Gestapo.
- Evil Colonialist: The Reich established colonies in Eastern Europe, with the treatment of the natives going from "medieval" to "extermination through work".
- False Flag: In France, Nazis and collaborators disguise themselves in Allied uniforms to massacre civilians, making them turn against their liberators.
- The Plague: Bioweapons have been used by the Reich, and Britain used anthrax on Berlin and Nuremberg.
- The Purge: With no Cold War, the American occupying Japan could afford to purge numerous Japanese ultra-nationalists and war criminals.
Done.
They changed the editing tool, so Crimson, the co-writer of the Reds! timeline kindly added the changes I proposed for the timeline.
Anyone who wants to check, can find it here.
Several notches higher IMHO.
One reason why colonialism slowly fell out of favour in Europe was the realization that the Nazis treated non-German Europeans in a similar (but even worse) fashion as they treated natives in the various Empires.
If he held even smallest hints of his sympahty over fascism then answer is absolutely no.
Bookmark1995
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Not to mention those pesky natives getting access to those same weapons Europeans used, plus World War II bankrupting those European powers.
AANW is a great story but I think more people (including myself) would rather see AANW Stalemate continued (which hasn’t been updated in almost 3 years in part because of how dark the research material CalBear used was and the fact that it elaborates on the aspects of Nazi rule left out of the original story).
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