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[Mort the Reaper]

Alright, a little more content:

Darksyde Phil

Phil Burnell, better known as Darksyde Phil, is a critic, let's player, and former Channel Awesome contributor.

Tropes

• Artifact Title: Back when he was starting out, his "average gamer" tagline made sense, since he wasn't particularly good at games and his appeal largely came from his status as a more casual gamer. But over the years, his skills have progressed to the point where he's definitely above average.
• Broken Pedestal: After the revelations that came out in 2018, he's admitted to feeling misled by the Walker brothers and the Channel Awesome higher-ups.
• Butt Monkey: In his reviews, bad things are always happening to him. This seems to be especially true for crossover reviews.
• Equal-Opportunity Offender: As he himself has stated, it's hard to name a group that hasn't been the target of (good-natured) ribbing, "except maybe some fringe religious groups or people with obscure medical problems".
• Everyone Has Standards: Even though he's fine with making politically incorrect jokes, he's made a point to never use slurs.
• Intergenerational Friendship: Some of members of his "circle" are younger or older than him by decades.
• Nice Hat: Well-known for his various beanies.
• Rapid-Fire No: Does this a lot in his reviews, usually when he thinks something bad is about to happen to him.
• Self-Deprecation: Frequently.
  • He really likes making Italian and Polish jokes. Guess what his ethnic background is?
  • More than once, he's made fun of his laugh, memorably saying it sounds like "a seal dying from Joker venom".
• Took a Level in Badass: When he started out, he wasn't a particularly good gamer and he knew it. As he put it, he was "just a random schlub trying to find a way to cope with a serious back injury". In fact, he used his lack of exceptional skill as a selling point, adopting the tagline "The Average Gamer". But over the years, his gaming skills have improved greatly, and he himself has admitted that his "average gamer" tagline isn't really accurate anymore.
• Worthy Opponent:
  • There's a good deal of mutual respect between him and Low Tier God, even though (or maybe because) they've played against each other quite a few times.
  • More recently, he's developed this type of relationship with The King of Hate, to the point that the latter sent Phil a cake after Phil narrowly beat him in a tournament.

As you can probably guess, this is something of a project for making... controversial Internet figures come off as more likeable. Thinking about doing this for Chris Bores and Low Tier God too.

I have a little more for this too:

The Arctic Giant

Introduced in the eponymous 1942 Superman Theatrical Cartoon, and making the transition to the Superman comics in 1951, The Arctic Giant is undoubtedly one of the most famous giant monsters to grace the pages of DC Comics.

Tropes

• Adaptational Intelligence: While he's not dumb by animal standards, he seems to be just that: an animal of significant intelligence. However, animated series (and later, video games) tend to lean more on the "person" side of the scale.
• Adaptational Villainy: Quite a few adaptations have dropped his Non-Malicious Monster status and turned him into a bloodthirsty, human-hating beast who goes out of his way to cause as much death and destruction as he can.
• Boring, but Practical: The Arctic Giant lacks the flashy abilities of many other DC Comics giant monsters. What he does have is incredible strength, toughness and fighting skill, and that's usually enough.
• Canon Immigrant: As stated, he was originally from the Max Fleischer Superman cartoons.
• Human Popsicle: Well, reptilian popsicle, but his backstory generally involves having been frozen in a block of ice (though the time he's spent on ice varies a lot).
• Kaiju: Goes without saying, really.
• Non-Malicious Monster: How he's usually portrayed, at least in the medium of comics. Yes, he can be very destructive, but he's too animalistic to be truly malevolent.
• Notzilla: Nope. While he may seem like this - and is often thought to be this by people who aren't that familiar with him - he actually predates Godzilla by over a decade. In fact, there are persistent rumors that Toho ripped him off, but this is generally considered unlikely by comics historians.
• Reptiles Are Abhorrent: Subverted. Yes, he's a huge, destructive reptilian monster, but he's not as bad as he may seem. On multiple occasions, he's even been a major help to the heroes.
• Super Strength: Even by the standards of giant monsters, he's enormously powerful. He can quite literally move mountains.
• Super Toughness: He's not outright invulnerable, but it takes a lot to even scratch him.

 

[Night Gaul]

Monster/Dragon Ball

Dragon Ball

• General Tyrian is one of the most cruel and malicious members of the Red Ribbon Army. Having climbed up the promotion ladder on the corpses of his numerous victims, Tyrian is introduced coldly ordering the massacre of innocent villagers and summarily executing a subordinate who objects. After learning of Bulma's technical genius, he has her kidnapped and tries to force her to make him a Dragon Radar superior to the Global Dragon Radar under threat of torture, demonstrating his seriousness by shooting a captive in the knee. When Yamcha, Krillin and Puar come to save her, he releases poison gas in an attempt to kill them, not caring if some of his own subordinates also die. When this fails and they break her out, he doggedly pursues them, intent on recapturing Bulma and killing her after she completes her task and ensuring the others die slowly and painfully. Seemingly killed when Goku downs his aircraft, Tyrian is later revealed to have survived and taken over much of what remains of the Red Ribbon Army. Trying to take over the world himself, he attempts a grandiose scheme to force the world to submit to his tyrannical rule. After his operation is dismantled by the heroes, he releases King Piccolo and pledges his loyalty to him, secretly planning to usurp the Demon King after he's served his purpose. He takes part in the assault on Central City, personally slaughtering many innocent people. When Tien mortally wounds his lover Colonel Noir, he coldly and cruelly dismisses her as useless before taunting him over Chiaotzu's death. Once Goku arrives, he tries to force him to back down by taking Suno hostage, mentally stating that he'll kill the girl anyway after Goku is dead. Truly monstrous despite being only human, and perhaps the most loathsome individual in an already terrible group, General Tyrian helped to usher in a darker, more serious tone for the series.
• Fortuneteller Baba Saga: Tsumekuma is a warlord who seeks nothing less than to dominate the world. Ruling through force and fear, he holds everyone under his command in his grip of mortal terror. As a hobby, he has people kidnapped and hunts them for sport, brutally murdering them and devouring their remains when he inevitably catches them. Learning of the Dragon Balls, he captures Pilaf and his minions, stealing Pilaf's new Dragon Radar and forcing him to build him a Dragon Radar-proof box, threatening to kill Mai and Shu slowly and painfully if he doesn't comply. When he learns of a Dragon Ball in the isolated village of Turquoise Town, he slaughters the entire village to get it. After Goku learns of his Dragon Ball's location, Tsumekuma attempts to kill Pilaf and his minions so he can pin his crimes on them and steal the wish. Once this is no longer an option, he attempts to electrocute Goku to death, planning to turn his lightning gun on Goku's friends next. Mortally wounded by Goku after a bitter fight, he tries to ensure Goku dies too out of spite. While he appears relatively briefly, Tsumekuma proves one of the vilest villains in the canon continuity.

Dragon Ball Z

• Frieza is the tyrannical head of the Galactic Frieza Army, an organization that wipes out all life from planets, then sells the planets to the highest bidder. Prior to the events of the series, Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, bringing the Saiyan race to near extinction despite their loyalty, as he feared that he was going to be overthrown by a Super Saiyan. During his invasion of Namek, Frieza killed many civilians, including Dende's caretakers and brother, even after he got the Dragon Balls. He also slaughtered several warriors and tortured Nail, Gohan, and Vegeta to near-death, and had Vegeta crying and begging Goku to stop Frieza, who then shoots Vegeta through the heart. He then blew up Dende, when he learned the boy could heal people. He then blew a hole through Piccolo, proceeded to blow up Krillin, and threatened Goku's son. When Goku showed mercy by giving the dying Frieza some energy, Frieza promptly tried to kill him, leading Goku to blow him apart. He later came back as a cyborg, and went to Earth with his father to destroy it, only stopped by Future Trunks. Resurrected by his underlings Sorbet and Tagoma, Frieza craved revenge on the Saiyans, and would stop at nothing to achieve it. After Tagoma suggested that Frieza should ignore the Super Saiyans and focus on his empire, Frieza killed him by blasting him into space. He started an invasion of Earth, destroyed an entire city, killed his entire army, except for Sorbet after they lost to the Z fighters, and tortured an injured Goku by stomping on his chest. When he was overpowered by Vegeta, he destroyed the entire Earth not caring if he would be killed in the explosion, just to spite the Saiyans. Genocidal, arrogant, and sadistic underneath his polite exterior, Frieza set a new standard for Dragon Ball villains.
• Android Arc: Cell, an Ultimate Lifeform created by Dr. Gero, inherited Frieza's sociopathic sadism and Vegeta's pride. He goes around towns eating thousands of people with his tail just to increase his powers, the last of his victims having his ordeal disturbingly prolonged in order to give him absolute fear of being absorbed. Cell then absorbs Android 17 and 18. In addition, Cell takes a sadistic pleasure in killing, as shown when he starts "the Cell Games", just to hold off destroying Earth so that he can see everyone's faces contort in terror and states he would've hunted down every single person on Earth one by one if he won, after which he would then destroy Earth then go on to other planets. Cell beats Gohan to near death and creates "Cell Juniors" to torture the other Z fighters so that he can transform into an even stronger form, which he succeeds by destroying Android 16 in front of him. When the fight stopped going his way, he tried to destroy the world with his self-destruct sequence, forcing Goku to perform a Heroic Sacrifice.
• Bojack Arc: Bojack is a sadistic, bloodthirsty Herunian space pirate who leads a group called the Galaxy Soldiers and has a direct body count that numbers in the billions. Long ago, he attempted to wipe out his own race and then went on a rampage throughout the galaxy, forcing the Kais to seal him and his minions inside a star. Upon release, he seeks revenge against the Kais who imprisoned him. Tracking the energy coming from the Cell Games to Earth, he plans to eliminate all fighters on the planet, then find the way to the Other World so he can kill the Kais and be rid of any obstacles in the way of future conquest. Bojack has his minions infiltrate a martial arts tournament by murdering four of Mr. Satan's pupils and taking their places, while he seemingly kills Vegeta in a surprise attack. When the infiltration is exposed, he orders his fighters to cut loose, resulting in the deaths of numerous innocents. During the resulting fight, Bojack shows absolutely no concern about collateral damage, and bursts into maniacal laughter when told about the huge numbers of people he and his minions have killed. He doesn't show any more concern about the deaths of his minions, simply saying they deserved to die for failing him. Taunting Gohan over Piccolo's apparent death, Bojack attempts to kill him by shooting an energy blast through Zangya, his last surviving minion.
• Majin Buu Arc:
  • Babidi, the doppelgänger clone of Bibidi, who uses the evil in a person's heart to make them want to serve him, orchestrated the revival of Majin Buu, ultimately making him the one responsible for the cataclysmic amounts of death and destruction that occur later. Babidi kills his men when they are no longer useful, including brainwashed minions Spopovich and Yamu, after which he comments how enjoyable their deaths were; and throws Dabura, his loyal right-hand man, under the bus once Buu is revived. He took great delight in having Buu systematically kill the people of Earth so he could lure out Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks all for the purpose of getting his petty revenge against them. When he's asked to stop this by Goku, he then announces that he'll have more people killed just to spite him. Finally, he crushed the head of someone who gave him the names of Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks, just because he found the information to be useless. He also constantly threatens Majin Buu when the latter doesn't obey him.
  • Super Buu has agency over his actions, unlike his previous forms, and simply chooses to be an Omnicidal Maniac. When Piccolo distracts Super Buu to allow Goten and Trunks time to master the fusion technique, Super Buu irritably uses his "Human Extinction Attack" to eradicate the entire population of Earth. Tormenting those not killed by staying in Kami Tower, Super Buu turns Chichi into an egg and smashes it for annoying him, and turns everyone else except Gotenks and Piccolo into candy before eating them alive. Absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo, Super Buu beats Gohan to near-death while repeating a mockery of Piccolo's teachings to mentally torment him. Absorbing Gohan as well, Super Buu declares he will use his newfound, nigh-limitless power to enjoy systematically wiping out all life on every planet in the universe he comes across. Becoming enraged by neither being able to overpower nor outsmart Vegito, Super Buu shrieks in frustration, releasing his power through them and begins warping the space between dimensions, causing them to collapse on each other and threatening the stability of the multiverse. A callous sadist, Super Buu would happily snuff out all sentient life just to spite Vegito for besting him in combat.

Dragon Ball Super

• Resurrection F Arc: Frieza critically injures Tagoma after the latter suggests that Frieza forget about the Saiyans, before forcefully makes him his "sparring partner" for his training, torturing Tagoma to the brink of death every day for the next four months. After reaching Earth, Frieza tells his men that whoever kills Krillin will get their own planet, knowing how much Krillin means to Goku. Frieza tortures Gohan by shooting him with energy beams, and is highly amused when Piccolo gets in the way of the blasts to save Gohan. When Frieza hears that Gohan has a family, he promises to kill them too, and orders Ginyu to kill Goten and Trunks. When Goku arrives, Frieza states that after he destroys Earth, he will destroy New Namek as well so there is no way to undo his evil acts. Before fighting Goku, Frieza kills all his minions just to demonstrate his power. During his fight with Goku, Frieza fires blasts at Goku's friends just to distract him. Just like in the movie, he then tries to destroy Earth when he finds himself cornered, all to spite the Saiyans. During the Universe Survival Arc Goku makes a deal with Frieza that, in exchange for Frieza fighting for Universe 7 in the Tournament of Power, he'll revive Frieza with the Dragon Balls. Frieza agrees, only to nearly kill Goku with Sidra's Energy of Destruction and attempt to make the same deal with Universe 9.
• Future Trunks Arc: Zamasu, a former Kai from Universe 10 and apprentice to the Supreme Kai Gowasu, has a strong distrust towards the mortals, because they keep making the same mistakes. Once Goku shows a power capable of rivaling the gods, he considers the mortals as inherently evil and dangerous. Eventually falling into villainy, Zamasu plans to eradicate all mortals in the multiverse, with a scheme that he calls "Zero Mortal Plan". To enact this plan, Zamasu murders his own mentor Gowasu, stealing the Potara earrings to usurp his status as a Supreme Kai, and the time ring to travels through timelines. Then, he travels in another timeline to collect the Super Dragon Balls, exchange his body with Goku's and kill him right in front of his family, before killing them as well, solely out of spite. Knowing that no one would be willing to help him for his plan, Zamasu, as Goku Black, formed a team with his future self. Together, they proceed to travel in Trunks timeline to destroy the Super Dragon Balls so that there is no way to reverse their plan, slaughter all gods to keep them from interfering, destroy many planets and slowly reduce humanity into near-extinction. Upon fusing with his future incarnation, Zamasu proceeds to cause mass destruction on Earth just to demonstrate his power as the "ultimate god". When Trunks managed to destroy his physical body, Merged Zamasu's spirit survives, and attempts to exterminate all life throughout the multiverse by merging with it, extending the effect on the others timelines. In all of his incarnations, Zamasu is a petty, hypocritical, and sadistic narcissist who thinks that the world should be reshaped in his own vision.

Video Games

• Budokai: Frieza is the Villain Protagonist of the first game's What If? story "Raging Frieza" & "The True Ruler". He becomes enraged when he's beaten to the Dragon Balls and thus can't become immortal, and fights the heroes. In succession, he defeats and presumably kills Gohan, Piccolo, and—after powering up—Vegeta and Goku. He successfully wishes for eternal life, then blows up Namek, after which he flies to Earth, planning to destroy it as well.
• Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors duology: Cell, in addition to his actions in canon, commits many crimes throughout various routes. During his story in the first game, when Dr. Gero tells Cell that they'll revive the Red Ribbon army, Cell refuses and remorselessly kills his creator when it results in a fight. After killing Gohan and the rest of the Z fighters, Cell creates countless Cell Juniors to hunt down and kill every last person on Earth while he goes to sleep. When Cell defeats Majin Buu, he decides he has no further use for Earth and destroys the solar system, going on to terrorize the rest of the universe in search of another fighter to give him a challenge. During one of his routes in the sequel, while waiting for the Cell Games to begin, Cell kills Future Trunks and takes his time machine for the sake of fighting and killing an alternate version of himself. In another route, enraged by Goku giving up during their fight in the Cell Games, Cell breaks his own rules and destroys the Earth anyway. During one of Piccolo's routes, Cell goes to Namek in an attempt to revive the destroyed Android 18 for the purpose of absorbing her. While there, he makes a deal with Cooler that he'll help Cooler terrorize Namek in search for the Dragon Balls, secretly planning on killing Cooler when they're all gathered.
• Fusions: Frieza and Cell prove to be just as monstrous as they are in canon. When Frieza is freed from hell by Tekka and his team, Frieza orders The Ginyu Force to kill them for no reason. When Tekka's team comes across Cell, Cell immediately tries to kill the group to lure out Goku for the purpose of fighting him. Later, the heroes find out that Frieza and Cell have joined Pinich's team for the purpose of manipulating him into performing the Ultra Fusion. Frieza and Cell then take over the fusion before attempting to destroy the Timespace Rift and everybody in it as Ultra Pinich, only stopped due to Beerus and Whis. The two then flee, opening up a portal to hell to create more chaos. They later escape to the real world in an attempt to destroy the entire galaxy.
• Xenoverse: The Demon God, Demigra, was imprisoned in a crack in time by the Supreme Kai of Time. To free himself, he sends out an image capable of acting on the physical plane to cause chaos and distort time. One of the timelines has him brainwashing Piccolo into trying to kill Goten and Trunks. Another has him trying to brainwash Beerus into destroying Earth. After his release, he plans to destroy the universe and reshape it so that everything revolves around him.

Other Media

• Evolution: King Piccolo is an evil Namekian who attacked Earth alongside Oozaru, bringing the human race to brink of annihilation before he was sealed away by seven mystics. Returning 2,000 years later, Piccolo decides to seek out the seven Dragon Balls with the intention of wishing for eternal youth, and then eliminating the human race in revenge for his imprisonment, beginning his search by destroying a village filled with innocent people. Piccolo would then attack Goku's grandfather, Gohan, in his home, before killing him by crushing him with the house's rubble. After Goku and his friends manage to retrieve the Dragon Balls, Piccolo has Mai steal them, nearly killing Goku in the process. When Goku transforms into Oozaru during his final confrontation with Piccolo, the latter has Goku attack his own friends, while also having him choke Master Roshi to death before he could re-seal Piccolo.

 

[Aloha]

Mixing Half-Life style gameplay with the wide open sandbox nature of GTA, this is something entirely new for the franchise

Actually I'm most interested in this part. Imagine Steven Universe mixed with GTA. I guess the Crystal Gems need to get money someway. I mean, saving the world doesn't exactly pay the bills.

"Pearl, you motherfucking piece of shit gang-banging cocksucker!"

 

[Mort the Reaper]

Actually I'm most interested in this part. Imagine Steven Universe mixed with GTA. I guess the Crystal Gems need to get money someway. I mean, saving the world doesn't exactly pay the bills.

"Pearl, you motherfucking piece of shit gang-banging cocksucker!"

We are the Crystal Gems
We'll follow that damn train!
And if you think we can't
We'll always find a way!

 

[AltoRegnant]

OOC: What if Pokemon aimed at 13-16 year olds instead of young children? Darker and Edgier, perhaps, but also allowed to tell a story.

Pokemon: Ash Clouds- Pokemon Ash Clouds was the first Pokemon Anime. It followed Ash Ketchum rising from a lowly ten year old trainer who barely knew the basics, to a 17 year old Johto Champion. The show lasted from 1998 to 2003, when it was replaced by Pokemon: Sapphire Skies

A List of Tropes in Pokemon: Ash Clouds
Collector of the Strange- Ash caught many... unusual pokemon. From his weedle that went on to sweep much of Erica's team, or his toying with the idea of capturing Team Rocket's meowth. Even his starter. A pikachu capable of using electricity to grip walls, or able to blind even ground types with its electrical power.

Will They Won't They?- Ash and his best friend, Misty. They do during the Death of Giovanni Arc.

O.O.C Is Serious Business- Archer's Batman Gambit, meant to exploit Ash's Lawful Stupid tendencies fails because of this- expecting that Ash would leave to save his friends, letting Archer escape. Problem being that Ash isn't the same 12 year old kid Archer last saw at Viridian Gym. Now, Ash is a cynical 16 year old who has been dealing with Rocket since he was ten. The second he realized his friend and girlfriend were in danger, he stopped trying to distract the Rocket Admin. He immediately let Charizard do what he wanted to Archer, while he and Beedrill went to save Brock and Misty. It wasn't pretty.

The Reveal- Red is Ash's mysterious uncle who died fighting Ash's father Giovanni. Red's pikachu went on to become Ash's own signature.

Complete Monster-Archer. This man kidnapped Brock, a twenty year old who hadn't seen Ash in two years, as well as Ash's girlfriend, Misty, just to get revenge on Ash. Which wasn't even part of his goal of getting Giovanni to come back. He was also implied to have killed both Professors Oak for even associating with Ash. This is used to serve as a Foil to Tragic Villain Giovanni, who fell into the mob at a young age, and figured that if he ran the show, he could keep the bloodshed in line.

 

[redjirachi]

Monster/Dragon Ball

Even in another universe, Frieza is still a monster. Kind of suspected Zamasu, or at least one version would be, but I'm getting my hopes up on Toriyama envisioning a truly morally complex main villain.

Hmm...popular alternate presidents or JFK surviving, I wonder if they had tropes associated with them(OTL Bushes and Clinton do as "tropes portrayed in fiction").

 

[Aloha]

We are the Crystal Gems
We'll follow that damn train!
And if you think we can't
We'll always find a way!

I like that! Not sure how to end that, though.

Naturally it would be called "Grand Theft Auto: Beach City" but I was thinking of San Andreas when the idea came to mind.

If Pearl is CJ, then who would everyone else be, I wonder?

 

[Sunstone77]

We are the Crystal Gems
We'll follow that damn train!
And if you think we can't
We'll always find a way!

Thats why Los Santos believes in,
Garnet, Amathyst, and Peal AND TREVOR!

 

[Night Gaul]

Even in another universe, Frieza is still a monster. Kind of suspected Zamasu, or at least one version would be, but I'm getting my hopes up on Toriyama envisioning a truly morally complex main villain.

Well, if you'd like for AH!Toriyama to come up with a "truly morally complex main villain", you're more than welcome to make your own version.

Hmm...popular alternate presidents or JFK surviving, I wonder if they had tropes associated with them(OTL Bushes and Clinton do as "tropes portrayed in fiction").

I don't know. Maybe the OP could weigh in?

 

[Praying_to_a_gof]

TIME: A Story from the future
Time is the 1981 musical by Electric Light Orchestra.
It stars Colin Baker as Horace Wimp, an avenge Joe who accidentally gets set to the year 2095
HERE IS THE TROPES
Bittersweet Ending: Horace does end up with Julie, but she dies a few years, meanwhile Twilight gets reprogrammed and Zax gets taken back to the Satellite two
Time stands still: The scene before Horace gets taken into the future
The Great Politics Mess Up: Has the Soviet Union, The White House and Northen Ireland still existing in 2095
Robot Girl: Twilight
Zeerust: has a few, being about a man from 1981 (the year it was made) transported to the year 2095, naturally has a few (relatively minor) examples:

• Twilight is made by IBM; while IBM still exists, it has started moving away from mass hardware manufacture in the second decade of the 21st century, and if made today the film would probably reference a company like Apple instead.
• The News scene is influenced by the style and content of the news from 1981, in particular, the story about striking spaceport workers and the mention that there are bulletins 'every hour, on the hour'.
• Plastic bags and plastic flowers are shown to suggest a flimsy, disposable future, but this trend appears to be reversing itself partway into the 21st century as pollution has resulted in the mass use of plastic being discouraged, in particular, plastic bags being restricted in many countries.

 

[AltoRegnant]

Pokemon Sapphire Skies was the sequel to Pokemon Ash Clouds, this time following May Sapphire, as she travelled along the hoenn and the kanto regions. Unlike Ash, May was the daughter of Gym Leader Norman, and begins with a solid understanding of strategy. She is, however, far less sure of herself as a person

• Contrasting Sequel Protagonist Impulsive, cocky, but inexperienced Ash who has no idea about his family and wants to know more about his uncle and father vs rational, anxious, but knowledgeable May who wants little to do with her overbearing family
• Character Development May goes from a shy girl who is unsure what she wants to do, to a determined young lady who will fight tooth and nail for what she believes in
• The Bus Came Back Of a sort. Ash had only been seen in rare cameos for most of the first three seasons, but during the Apocalypse Now that was the Dragon Descendant arc, every regional champion that existed at the time was called to Hoenn to help fight back the monstrous legendaries and their associated weather
• Bi The Way As Wally's own Character Development takes course, he goes from a shy, easily flustered boy, to a confident and shockingly flirtatious trainer who openly checks out Brendon, on a date with May. Of course, they both do it because he just showed up shirtless, but still. Unfortunately, a lot of this was cut in the west until the 2015 rerelease

 

[Duke Andrew of Dank]

Don Bluth

• Big Brother Instinct: A major motif in certain films of his like The Snow Queen and The Rats of NIMH. This was largely based on a real life incident where he prevented his brother Toby from choking.
• Early Installment Weirdness: Kate Crackernuts is a rather weird film on Bluth's resume. For starters, Bluth himself designed the human characters, whereas in all his later films all the humans are done by Glen Keane. Second, out of all the members of his iconic Production Posse, only Dom DeLuise appears at all, and it's only in a bit part as a background character.
• Magnum Opus Dissonance: Don Bluth has always said that he considers his best film to be The Secret of NIMH. However, most professional critics and Walt Disney himself consider his best film to be a three way tie between The Snow Queen, East of the Sun, West of the Moon, and Kate Crackernuts. As far as collaborations with Webber go however, Bluth has considered The Snow Queen to be his favorite.
• What Could Have Been:
  • Right before the falling out between Andrew Lloyd Webber and Ron Miller, the next Bluth-Webber Collaboration was going to be an adaptation of the first two books in The Railway Series: those books being The Three Railway Engines and Thomas the Tank Engine. However, the falling out led to the project going nowhere, and Webber would instead convert his RWS idea for stage as Starlight Express. Bluth later said that had this film indeed been made and been a success, then he would have tried to adapt Troublesome Engines and Percy the Small Engine as a sequel film.
  • His rendition of Beauty and the Beast was slightly different at first. Among other things, Belle would have had blonde-hair and be color-coded pink. Whereas she would also have an aunt and sisters like in the original tale. Per Linda Woolverton's suggestions however, these ideas were dropped in favor of using the 1946 Jean Cocteau film as a basis. In addition, Bluth was hoping for the chance to get Webber to compose like he did with Kate Crackernuts. But Webber preferred to instead focus on trying to repair his bond with Tim Rice, so Bluth agreed to have Ashman and Menken compose again.
  • When David Kirschner pitched the premise of an American Tail to Disney, Don Bluth expressed interest in directing. However, Ron Miller vetoed the idea altogether so Kirschner went to Fox to create the film with Brad Bird instead.

 

[AznOmega (he/him)]

I would like to see an alternate tropes page (or make one) but it will be involving current politics (it involves South Park, and the original planned episode involving Clinton beating Garrison). I do not know if that will be a good idea.

 

[Duke Andrew of Dank]

I would like to see an alternate tropes page (or make one) but it will be involving current politics (it involves South Park, and the original planned episode involving Clinton beating Garrison). I do not know if that will be a good idea.

I could ask to move this to chat if you like.

 

[AznOmega (he/him)]

I could ask to move this to chat if you like.

Hmm, it depends, but I would ask the rest on whether that would be okay with you.

 

[RiverDelta]

I could do a TVTropes page for the Megaton series of games from the Deng and Xi verse.

Here's Harper Saltire's manic idiot retelling of the first four games: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rd-joke-timeline.465933/page-10#post-18850910

Here's Constance Pell's more collected take on the strange fifth game: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rd-joke-timeline.465933/page-18#post-18924075

 

[Duke Andrew of Dank]

@RiverDelta

Be my guest!

 

[Night Gaul]

You know, I'm thinking about doing some stuff regarding controversial or disgraced celebrities in timelines where they're more well-liked, but I'm a bit nervous about doing so for reasons that are hopefully self-explanatory. What do you guys think?

 

[OldNavy1988]

You know, I'm thinking about doing some stuff regarding controversial or disgraced celebrities in timelines where they're more well-liked, but I'm a bit nervous about doing so for reasons that are hopefully self-explanatory. What do you guys think?

I'd say go for it.

First one I'd try would be Loud House creator Chris Savino.

 

[Duke Andrew of Dank]

And You Thought It Would Fail

• When the details of its Troubled Production began being leaked to the public, everyone expected Mario Kart 9 to be a bomb. Not helping were the number of changes created by Retro Studios that were initially very unpopular with fans (bringing back Wiggler instead of Metal Mario, having 20 racers in each race instead of 12, etc). Instead, the final product would go on to be the highest-selling Mario Kart title of all time, and proved to be a Tough Act To Follow for several years.