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TV Trope's YMMV page for Franchise/Paper Mario
  • Author's Saving Throw: Many of the most common complaints about The Rose of Hespera were quickly nullified by The Isle of Many Colors. More original partners were introduced along with the well-recieved spectrum gimmick, an original character is once again the main villain, and pre-existing mainline characters are limited to those with actual relevance to the plot; Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr, and the Toad family.
    • In addition, Huey also corrects many of the criticism made about Kersti from Luigi's subchapters in The Rose of Hespera. Kersti openly insulted Luigi and blamed him for all the bad events regardless of if it was someone else's fault, or rather her own. In contrast, Huey is generally pleasant and cordial in his reaction with other characters, and only heckles or insults Bowser when he is being either stupid or childish; which granted is most of the time.
  • Contested Sequel: The Rose of Hespera is often contested among many fans of the first three games. Those who consider it weaker state that the games play the formula far too safely. Whereas other praise its darker plot almost to the point of nihilism. Not to mention the level in badass Mara Hespera took, and the plot twists.
  • First Installment Wins: A Vocal Minority of the fanbase finds this game to be the best game in the series. While the rest of the fandom is split over wether The Thousand-Year Door orMelody of the Guardians is the Even Better Sequel.
  • Franchise Original Sin: A common criticism of The Rose of Hespera is how many of the partners are Suspiciously Similar Substitutes for ones in past games. In truth, this problem traces its roots back to The Thousand-Year Door. In which Goombella, Koops, and Bomberry were the most apparent examples down to being the same species as their predecessors. The difference is that back then those characters usually had various character tics that made them noticeably different from their predecessors. (Like Koops being shyer than Kooper, or Goombella having a different personality from Goombario). This was eventually lampshaded in The Isle of Many Colors, where Huey quips to Mario that he wonders which two of his goomba friends went with him to Rougeport.
    • Truthfully, the fact that The Rose of Hespera didn't have an original villain was also true of the first game, which was the usual "Bowser Kidnaps Peach" plot. The difference is that the first game also had almost all entirely new villains like the Koopa Bros, Tubba Bulba, and Huff 'n' Puff. Whereas most of the villains in the former game were largely modified versions of pre-existing secondary villains like Boom-Boom and Petey Pirahna.
  • It's Short, So It Sucks: A common criticism of The Isle of Many Colors. As the color motif shortens the content to only six chapters as opposed to the traditional eight. However, the team knew this, and made up for this by having the chapters jam-packed with content.
  • It Was His Sled: A lot of once shocking plot revelations of the later games became this...
    • The Thousand-Year Door was set up to seal the Shadow Queen. It's kept a secret at first while gradually revealing this to the player, but it quickly became very well known.
    • What Mara Hespera did to Cream (Cold-Blooded Torture) was once considered an exceptionally shocking and disturbing twist. But everyone knows even without the context of the story purely because of how twisted it was.
  • Vindicated by History: When it was first released, The Rose of Hespera was widely considered one of the weaker games. In no small part because the partners were dead ringers for past ones down to species and personalities. But also because the villain, Mara Hespera, was not one created specifically for the game, having debut as a boss in Super Mario Metal, and had become a major villain in the Nintendo Animated Universe. However, many began to become more appreciative of the Crapsaccharine World atmosphere, unique bosses, and excellent music, and the creation of Sgt. Chomps, one of the most beloved partners in any game in the series. As well as the shocking twist of the Cold Blooded Torture that Hespera inflicted on Cream. Today, despite its shortcomings, it is considered not only one of the best Mario RPGs, but one of the greatest Mario and Hespera stories period.
 
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Mort the Reaper

I've been thinking about more recent pop culture AH. More specifically, online content. Webcomics, webshows, let's play, etc. Maybe I'll work on alternate TV Tropes pages for some of that.
 

Mort the Reaper

Alright, so I took a certain... polarizing Let's Player and decided to decomposite him, and make both resulting individuals less... contentious as something of an... experiment, for lack of a better word. You can probably guess who I'm talking about. Here's the first. Keep in mind, this whole thing is a work in progress.

The King of Hate

A professional fighting game player turned let's player, Dave Mercer - more popularly known as The King of Hate - is widely considered one of the original video let's players, and is still making videos.

This Let's Player provides examples of:

  • Accentuate the Negative: Despite his name, this is generally averted in his reviews. Even when he's giving a negative review, he'll generally try and find some merit.
  • Badass Beard: Well, badass goatee.
  • Brutal Honesty: Not towards human opponents (he tends to be more tactful), but played straight when talking about games themselves, their characters, and the people who worked on them. He even has a series called "The Hateful Truth", which runs heavily on this.
  • Nice Hat: His black Stetson.
  • Papa Wolf: If a character in one of the games he plays Would Hurt a Child, he'll unleash hell on them if the game lets him.
  • Real Men Cook: He has a video series called "Cooking with the King".
  • "The Reason You Suck" Speech: When someone or something genuinely pisses him off, he tends to deliver these, and has something of a reputation for it. For example:
    • One of his first was given to Fox News for the infamous Mass Effect controversy.
    • After Zilian OP infamously stood up from his wheelchair during a Twitch stream, he calmly but viciously tore him to shreds.
    • During the controversy over The Interview, he gave one to the North Korean government. It culminated in him calling Kim Jong-un an immature, thin-skinned tin-pot dictator with Skewed Priorities whose actions only proved the filmmakers right.
  • Take That!: Quite a few, especially against celebrities.
  • Tranquil Fury: Again, watch his video about Zilian OP faking his disability.
 

Mort the Reaper

Almost forgot this thread got a reply. Here's the other individual:

Darksyde Phil

Phil Burnell, better known as Darksyde Phil, is a critic, let's player, and former Channel Awesome contributor.

Tropes
  • Broken Pedestal: After the revelations that came out in 2018, he's admitted to feeling misled by the Walker brothers and the Channel Awesome higher-ups.
  • Butt Monkey: In his reviews, bad things are always happening to him. This seems to be especially true for crossover reviews.
  • Everyone Has Standards: Even though he's fine with making politically incorrect jokes, he's made a point to never use slurs.
  • Nice Hat: Well-known for his various beanies.
  • Rapid-Fire No: Does this a lot in his reviews, usually when he thinks something bad is about to happen to him.
  • Self-Deprecation: Frequently. For just one example, he likes making Italian and Polish jokes. Guess what his ethnic background is?
 

historybuff

This looks pretty cool so far. May have some ideas of my own, though I can't put them in the right format. Still, wouldn't mind showing my ideas for alternate takes on some shows I like.
 

SeaBos

A trope from a TL I've been thinking about
Cry All Ye Men
The Anglicization of the French term Cri allemand (German Shriek), the cowardly German mostly appears in French and to a lesser extent Italian and Algerian media but recently this stereotype has worked its way into British and American media. The idea of a feeble Germany that needed to be protected by a valiant France (as well as the other Allies) was born from French propaganda when it became clear that Germany would fall to Communist forces early in the Second World War. The actual shriek came from the 1970s absurdist comedy Conduire dans la Forêt Noire (Driving in the Black Forest) that had nothing to do with the war and tried to skewer the idea. Where women (and men) would let a loud shriek at even the smallest signs of possible 'danger' (while ignoring things that the protagonist found generally frightening in what this Troper feels is a more pointed analysis of what caused Germany to lose the war in the first place).

The increasing popularity of the German resistance in modern media as well as German military actions in the former Co-Prosperity Sphere have seen this particular trope fall in popularity in recent years.
 

Mort the Reaper

The Arctic Giant

Introduced in the eponymous 1942 Superman Theatrical Cartoon, and making the transition to the Superman comics in 1951, The Arctic Giant is undoubtedly one of the most famous giant monsters to grace the pages of DC Comics.

Tropes
  • Boring, but Practical: The Arctic Giant lacks the flashy abilities of many other DC Comics giant monsters. What he does have is incredible strength, toughness and fighting skill, and that's usually enough.
  • Canon Immigrant: As stated, he was originally from the Max Fleischer Superman cartoons.
  • Kaiju: Goes without saying, really.
  • Non-Malicious Monster: How he's usually portrayed, at least in the medium of comics. Yes, he can be very destructive, but he's too animalistic to be truly malevolent.
  • Notzilla: Nope. While he may seem like this - and is often thought to be this by people who aren't that familiar with him - he actually predates Godzilla by over a decade.
  • Reptiles Are Abhorrent: Subverted. Yes, he's a huge, destructive reptilian monster, but he's not as bad as he may seem. On multiple occasions, he's even been a major help to the heroes.
 
Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

This mentions some fictional people. So please bear with me.

Marvel Cinematic Universe/Franchise Original Sin
  • Many directors in later films are panned for changing various major events in the character's lives for the mere sake of originality. In truth, this can be traced back to Henry Banks' job directing Spider-Man: Osborn's Last Stand, which completely omitted Gwen Stacy being killed in favor of a Domino Effect which led to her and Peter breaking up. Specifically, via her youngest sibling Simon Stacy being the victim. This was not considered an issue at the time however, as not only was it a shocking spin on the Spider-Man mythos, but Banks also managed to create a compelling narrative regarding what would have happened in such a scenario. The latter of which few, if any similar changes in other film series did, making the changes fall into They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot.
  • Much like Ultimate Captain America, the MCU incarnation of Steve Rodgers has become divisive for his Deliberate Values Dissonance. At first, this was not considered big enough of an issue to criticize. In large part because the only views that could truly be considered backwards were a few gripes in regards to feminism. Even then, he still had a strong sense of chivalry that pervaded throughout the films. He otherwise was fairly tolerant and amicable like his mainstream comic counterpart. However, later writers often take things too far, and spliced in some shocking comments towards Japanese people from him. Such as when he bursts into a tirade towards some Japanese foreign exchange students about how Pearl Harbor was only the tip of the iceberg that led to the atomic bomb being used.
 
Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

Early Installment Weirdness/Super Mario Bros
  • The characterizations of the series cast in general has dramatically changed since the early days:
    • Early manuals described the Toads as having been transformed into blocks. Something which has not been proposed since.
    • Mario was originally written as a middle-aged man in the earliest arcade titles. This was true in Japan as well, though around 1986, Mario started being depicted as a younger man. Outside of Japan, Mario continued to have gruff middle aged voice actors until the early 1990s. Word of God has since stated that both Marios are in the mid 20s. Early media also tended to depict Luigi as several years Mario's junior instead of them being fraternal twins, which was first shown in Super Mario World 0: Yoshi's Island.
    • Princess Peach was often portrayed in earlier spin-offs as a Dumb Blonde, and also rather clumsy in Mario Tennis Ultra. This of course went away pretty quickly.
    • Toad was originally depicted a child-like character, and had a high-pitched voice to boot. This changed with the introduction of Toadette and his twins Harry and Jerry in Super Mario Ultra 2, and Wayne Allwine being cast in the role.
    • The age gap between Peach and Cream is generally kept vague in most games. Though in Super Mario RPG: Treasure of the Kalhiro, a picture Peach explicitly says is from when was a teenager showed Cream as being a toddler, hence the teething ring he has in it.
    • Characters' voices only became their current standard starting in the PlayStation era and lasting into the 2000s. Early in his tenture as Mario, Charles Martinet used a falsetto voice not unlike Mickey Mouse. But by the late PlayStation era, it became his current Bugs Bunny like wisecracker voice. Peach's original voice was much deeper than Catherine Cavadini's voice for the character, while Toad's voice was high-pitched and childish before Wayne Allwine was cast. Luigi was a pitched-shifted version of Charles Martinet's Mario voice until Rob Paulsen took over in Super Mario Ultra. Wario also was presented as being some sort of Central European ancestry, which led to him and Waluigi being Polish in later lore.
    • Prince Cream being the grouchy but otherwise friendly Royal he is today only came about starting in the late Gamecube era. His debut in Super Mario Ultra 2 portrayed him as a generic Expy of Disney's Pinocchio; a Cheerful Child who unfortunately had a Horrible Judge of Character, and got into and out of trouble because of it. His subsequent appearances in Mario Tennis and Mario Party 3 would also portray him as naive and wide-eyed, albeit with a noticeably better judge of character. Though he was still shown be trouble when provoked, as Bowser learned the hard way.
    • Daisy being the Tomboy Princess she is known as didn't become a thing until the Gamecube era. First, she was a generic princess in Super Mario Land before being introduced as a flirtatious sexpot in 2000's Mario Tennis Ultra compared to the more modest Peach. She was later shown to be more modest in Mario Party 3, though she also gained a rather sharp tongue in the process.
Woolseyism/Super Mario Bros
  • A running gag in the original Japanese, English, and most European translations of Mario Party 3 involves Princess Daisy using the nickname "Jafar" to insult Waluigi. In the Czech translation, she instead calls him "Ratafak", a reference to Ratafak Plachta from the Slovakian puppet show Slniecko.
  • In Super Mario RPG: The Millennium Door, Admiral Bobbery describes his job after retiring as selling gas. In the US English localization, he instead refers to it as "propane and propane accessories".
  • Prince Cream's Embarrassing Nickname in most languages "Mickey" in reference to Mickey Mouse. In the Hungarian dub, he is instead referred to as "Vili a veréb" in reference to the title character of the 1989 Hungarian film.
  • The Filipino localization of Super Mario RPG: The Millennium Door is considered by many the best of any Nintendo game. For instance, J. Elton is instead named Z. Jyrus as a reference to Jake Zyrus.
 
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Night Gaul

Well, I've decided to try my hand at this. I might do some more of this or expand on what I already have later, but here's what I have for now.

A new section for Monster/Dragon Ball

Dragon Ball
  • General Tyrian is one of the most cruel and malicious members of the Red Ribbon Army. Having climbed up the promotion ladder on the corpses of his numerous victims, Tyrian is introduced coldly ordering the massacre of innocent villagers and summarily executing a subordinate who objects. After learning of Bulma's technical genius, he has her kidnapped and tries to force her to make him a Dragon Radar superior to the Global Dragon Radar under threat of torture, demonstrating his seriousness by shooting a captive in the knee. When Yamcha, Krillin and Puar come to save her, he releases poison gas in an attempt to kill them, not caring if some of his own subordinates also die. When this fails and they break her out, he doggedly pursues them, intent on recapturing Bulma and killing her after she completes her task and ensuring the others die slowly and painfully. Seemingly killed when Goku downs his aircraft, Tyrian is later revealed to have survived and taken over much of what remains of the Red Ribbon Army. Trying to take over the world himself, he attempts a grandiose scheme to force the world to submit to his tyrannical rule. After his operation is dismantled by the heroes, he releases King Piccolo and pledges his loyalty to him, secretly planning to usurp the Demon King after he's served his purpose. He takes part in the assault on Central City, personally slaughtering many innocent people. When Tien mortally wounds his lover Colonel Noir, he coldly and cruelly dismisses her as useless before taunting him over Chiaotzu's death. Once Goku arrives, he tries to force him to back down by taking Suno hostage, mentally stating that he'll kill the girl anyway after Goku is dead. Truly monstrous despite being only human, and perhaps the most loathsome individual in an already terrible group, General Tyrian helped to usher in a darker, more serious tone for the series.
  • Fortuneteller Baba Saga: Tsumekuma is a warlord who seeks nothing less than to dominate the world. Ruling through force and fear, he holds everyone under his command in his grip of mortal terror. As a hobby, he has people kidnapped and hunts them for sport, brutally murdering them and devouring their remains when he inevitably catches them. Learning of the Dragon Balls, he captures Pilaf and his minions, stealing Pilaf's new Dragon Radar and forcing him to build him a Dragon Radar-proof box, threatening to kill Mai and Shu slowly and painfully if he doesn't comply. When he learns of a Dragon Ball in the isolated village of Turquoise Town, he slaughters the entire village to get it. After Goku learns of his Dragon Ball's location, Tsumekuma attempts to kill Pilaf and his minions so he can pin his crimes on them and steal the wish. Once this is no longer an option, he attempts to electrocute Goku to death, planning to turn his lightning gun on Goku's friends next. Mortally wounded by Goku after a bitter fight, he tries to ensure Goku dies too out of spite. While he appears relatively briefly, Tsumekuma proves one of the vilest villains in the canon continuity.
By the way, I claim no ownership over these characters, so people are free to use them as they please so long as they credit me for creating them.
 
Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

Andrew Boyd: Duke of Dank

Now for something I will contribute to the Laughin' Place TL by @HeX.

Franchise Original Sin/Thomas the Tank Engine
  • Some early episodes, even those based directly off The Railway Series, didn't get an A+ in realism due to story purposes or studio goofs. The drivers' presence often went in out depending on the plot at times. Like when Daisy seemingly had the titular character stop and start without her driver's involvement, all after the events of Thomas Comes to Breakfast, which demonstrated the engines' dependence on their workmen. However, most agree it would not be too serious until later on when increasingly gimmicky moments came into play.
  • Edward undergoing Out of Character Moments can be traced as far back as Season 1, with such moments as Edward being irritated in Bertie's Chase or mocking Gordon in the ending of Cows. However, the former was depicted as a sign that Thomas being late was an issue that was getting out of hand, and thus OOC Is Serious Business. Whereas the latter was shown to be retaliation after Gordon mocked him earlier in the episode. Things only got to be an issue when Edward was portrayed as having the issues more often and without some sort of reason.
  • Similar to the above, latter seasons are often panned for because of how Toby Took A Level In Jerkass. However, this trend was not considered as problematic in earlier instances. Mostly because not only was Toby still amicable for the most part, but his occasional Grumpy Bear tendencies allowed for Divergent Character Evolution which made him more distinguishable personality-wise from both the sharp tongued and frank Emily and the kinder and gentler Edward.
  • Later RWS adaptations are often criticized for including staff-written characters in them. However, this trend goes all the way back to the early days of the show. However, these were mainly different because these characters were typically expies of minor characters in the original books. Or in the case of staff-created engines, used only in cases of Adaptation Expansion.
  • Many latter seasons are often criticized for making Thomas into a Spotlight-Stealing Squad. To an extent, this was true in the beginning and was even something Awdry complained about in a 1987 letter to David Mitton. That said, earlier instances of there typically had in-story reasons for Thomas' presence. Even those were mitigated by episodes where he was only a supporting role or absent altogether.
  • Engines that did not resemble their prototypes, if they had one at at all, were present in the series from the very beginning. As there, both Percy and the Big Bad Duumvirate Alfred and Cecil of Season 1's first half, being the most apparent examples. Even most engines that were meant to be based on real engines, like Gordon and even Thomas himself, waved a bit in their resemblances to said classes. But even in the latter instances, later in-universe explanations would be given for their appearances, such as Gordon having been rebuilt at Crewe, or Thomas having been built from a heavily modified E2 design instead of the original. However, this would become more troublesome in later seasons which applied this to their versions of real engines, like how the Flying Scotsman was initially just a repainted version of Gordon's original model, or Bluebell and Primrose being repainted and barely modified clones of Stepney's model. To say nothing of how when characters that had no actual prototype would have designs that were pretty much impractical for use on British railroads.
 
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