People wanted a realistic way of nerfing the CSA... These are all good ideas, but we wanted to make the CSA weaker. If the AUS was stronger, then this are good ideas.
also, Huey and MacAthur are both Popular with there faction.
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Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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also, Huey and MacAthur are both Popular with there faction.
They have a grand total of three professional generals and a bunch of guys who served in the Red Guard against an actual professional military if we're looking at Canada, and Three professional officers and a bunch of amateurs against the US Army and National Guard who actually have a good number of experienced officers and NCOs to form an army around. the Reds are geographically well suited to win the civil the war but organizationally when it comes to their army they are a complete and utter mess which will likely lead to a fair few military disasters against more experienced foes.
No that's what happened historically and is what Georgia is presumably being changed to Totalist Georgia is fucking meme like the AOG owning like half of China and is getting removed
I have never seen the Hungarians win ever. I have seen them take Vienna on the bounce before promptly losing as every single constituent of the Austrian empire attacks but I have never seen them win
I don't know maybe Canada, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand did something in WWII? Like Canada built some half a million trucks and more or less motorized the entire Empire? Or how Britain may be worse off without the resources of the Raj or Malaya?
Uh Huh. Looks at Mosley, Lawrence Coup, Blair Coup, and the Union turning to Oceania lite.
And then what? All those Eastern puppets and can try and steal the Kaisers lunch money doesn't stop them from getting stomped on by the Deutsches Heer and quite frankly China, Africa, and Southeast Asia does not matter one bit for the war the in Europe German distraction does nothing to cover for French weakness, or the collective lack of oil in the 3rd Int
If Germany has trouble keeping its military supplied with manpower than France is even worse considering the fact that they're population is around one a third of Germanies and they have got a big demographic hole of military age men thanks to WWI something that can't compensate for thanks to an even smaller pool of manpower. Quite frankly the CoF is a paper tiger trying to face off against the global hegemon with a gutte country and they still have some of the issues that plagued France in WWII OTL considering who leads the French Army (Looking at you Gamelin)
Also, Germany paralyzed by political crisis? Compared to the French? Who are at risk of falling into outright civil war if the Jacobins take control?
I doubt that the Michigan National Guard goes over to MacArthur. On the contrary, I STRONGLY anticipate that the Reds will get a chunk of the regular federal military on top of the state NGs of their starting states, while Long gets the Southern NGs. That includes officers.
Why would they change it to be just like OTL? And I find it ironic that you complain about "fucking memes" while lower down you use the Grand Protector as an example of the Internationale being screwed.
Weird. 2/3 or more of my time, Hungary wins outright. The rest of the time it's either Danubian Federation or eternal 4-way war until Romania starts something.
USA sent the British Empire thirty billion dollars' worth of materials and war materiel in OTL. The Raj was a goddamn money pit that the British straight-up caused an intentional famine in because it was indefensible against the Japanese. The Japanese took Malaya pretty damn fast, too, so I'm not hugely certain of the value of that peninsula on the other side of the world.
While the UoB is undoubtedly weaker than OTL Great Britain, that doesn't mean very much when Germany has no reliable allies. Not to mention, OTL Great Britain was fully capable in terms of economy and population on paper of wiping Nazi Germany off the map in '39, but got pinned down by catastrophic bad luck and poor leadership. Numbers aren't everything in practice.
What was that you said about memes?
Anyway, I honestly don't see Mosley that often. Maybe 1/3 of the time, usually it's Y Glais, oddly enough. And either way, Oceania Lite is still militarily powerful.
Heer can't be in two places at once. You would probably be surprised by the number of times I've seen Berlin fall to natpop Lithuanian troops while the Heer slogs against the French on the western border. If the eastern puppets rebel, then Germany is looking at a catastrophic implosion of its own foundation and the loss of a shitload of Ukrainian grain. And while the Reds don't have their own oil, Germany is pretty resource-poor, too, so both will be relying heavily on shipping for resources.
While Germany has the clear advantage due to winning the last war, it's also without allies and surrounded by countries that hate it.
And Germany didn't lose half a generation in WW1, either?
The whole thing with Germany in KR '36 is that it's basically OTL Britain of the late '30s in terms of general structural situation, but also with the political issues of France, AND it never learned how to deal with its sudden bloated colonial empire. While on paper, it's considerably stronger than France or Britain, it's also friendless, hideously overextended, and with out of date military doctrines (c.f. the starting spirits that slow doctrine development).
I still think that the Reds have a decent chance.
Did anyone here watch the Kaiserreich dev Q&A? It was interesting hearing how work on the mod is carried out and how they go about making decisions on plausibility vs. fun. Plus some insight into the the Spain rework, which is finally removing the three way civil war with a more OTL like version. Also seems like all factions will be vying for it to join their side for the coming war. Overall it was a good listen, hopefully they’ll continue doing it.
See, I like the three-way civil war; even though it's "meme-y" as some people say, it is a different and more interesting take than the base game has. However, I'm cautiously excited for a rework.
I'm slightly on the side of fun over plausibility, but I'd prefer something that's both. Basically, when it comes to something like KR, I'd rather have something interestingly different from OTL instead of something "plausible" that's just rivet-counting to the point of butterfly murder.
I'm slightly on the side of fun over plausibility, but I'd prefer something that's both. Basically, when it comes to something like KR, I'd rather have something interestingly different from OTL instead of something "plausible" that's just rivet-counting to the point of butterfly murder.
If it was the only the 3+ civil war I’d be fine with it, but there are 4 or 5 of them. So I’m glad to see it go.
Im the opposite. I’m purely interested in Kaiserreich because of its attempt to be plausible. It’s the reason I avoid Fuhrerreich like the plague. I’m fine with fun aspects in Kaiserreich and I do enjoy them, like the Qing or the necessity of the US civil war, but I’ve come to expect the mod to be plausible, if not on information we have from OTL, for the world it inhabits. So I was glad they removed Khan Sternberg, it also helped silence people wanting the Byzantine Empire in-game.
Well, we traded Khan Sternberg for D E C L A R E T H E T A N G D Y N A S T Y, even if declaring the Tang Dynasty ensures that Tang Jiyao dies shortly afterwards at the hands of Long Yun as he is doing so in the most republican region in China.
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As much as people love to point to WWI Generals as a meme they aren't. Entente military leadership was generally pretty good. Even Italy with Cardona couldn't do anything else other than fight with the Austrians in the Alps and in Albania. All those offensives the Entente launched had a reason and in the end it would mostly be those same generals who would go onto crush the Germans in the Hundred days offensives of 1918
Best army in Europe? Not really going by raw skill that title goes to the BEF and by the end of the WWI that title still probably goes to the BEF.
And Gamelin is still CINC of the French Army and the Brits are using elected officers which does wonders for army discipline.
Contrary to popular belief the Austro-Hungarian Empire was a pretty stable state before WWI the fact that it withstood four years of total war, repeated military disaster, near starvation conditions, and fighting on no less than three sperate fronts and only collapsing in the end due to outside pressure from the Entente offensives of 1918
So in 18 months, the Reds are in Sacramento, Washington, Denver, Houston, New Orleans, and Atlanta?
Does the German army sit around listening to music as the French throw themselves against German forts? They can't a launch a Sickles cut equivalent because the Terrain doesn't particularly allow it while moving westwards the Ardennes gives way to lowlands moving Eastwards it gives way to more hills and rough terrain more or less forestalling French advance towards the Rhine. I also don't expect for the Germans to show a complete and utter lack of initiative when trying to counter-attack a French bridgehead or for the French army to be hyper-aggressive or for the German reserves to be out of place because they're trying to link up with the Dutch.
Long does get a number of high profile defectors as does the PSA but the CSA gets diddly squat. they may be able to seize control of the National Guards armories but the fact f the matter is that damn few high ranking officers actually go over to their cause.
Because it makes more sense than Totalist Georgia which includes so many people that should dead in one shape or another with the failure of the Reds in the Russian Civil War
I'm not using it as an example of the 3rd Int being screwed I'm using it as an example to countering your assertion that
..... You do know that the Raj and Malaya are the only two parts of the Empire that actually made money right? The whole point of Britain holding Seuz right? The Japanese took Malaya pretty damn fast because the Brits had stripped the Far East dry of almost all of its high-quality formations and most of its modern aircraft because of the North Africa campaign and also because Percival was a fucking dumbass and even then by the time Singapore fell both sides were spent with Yamashita Army being little better off than Percivals.
What no reliable allies? Do you think all of Europe is going to welcome the Red Revolution? Srsly? Numbers aren't everything in practice yeah but the poor leadership is still there considering the commander of the French army whose likely to be overall allied commander considering that the Frenc
HOI4 AI is dumb news at 11. The Heer numbers some 900,000 men under arms at the start of the game OTL it launched Fall Rot with some 2.5 million men under arms without Versailles effect on the armed forces I think you can probably get it to 3 - 3.5 million men I doubt crushing the Lithuanians will take more than two corps max.
The Eastern puppets are forlorn rebellions that generally almost always fail to the Germans becuse the Internationale lacks anyway way to meaningful support them
Germany has control over the Eastern Med and the Suez and can ship resources into its sphere because most of everyone isn't rooting for Syndie victory. The Syndies, on the other hand, have dman few trade partners and even fewer secure trade routes considering the global presence o the Kaiserliech Marine
Germany has allies, its literally every single country that doesn't want to turn Red because they know that the Internationale will be gunning for them if Germany falls the Internationale is surrounded by far more countries that want it dead than German does
Germany doesn't have a stagnant birthrate, France does where do you think that "little" i.e: 30 million pop difference comes from?
Sure if one assumes the Germans to role play the French military command in WWII and the French one to role play the German One
Honestly, I kinda liked the few hints there were of Georgia coming to classified-as-Totalism-by-the-game by being a Social Democratic republic that slid into socialistic despotism over two decades through poor rule of law, rampant bureaucratization and the wrong people rising the power. It really would have worked better without the Bolshevik leaders or Georgia's leader being one of the founders of Totalism, though...
@GDIS Pathe I think that further discussion on this point is futile since we fundamentally disagree on basic elements of WW1 history, let alone WW2. I also feel that you are severely misinterpreting several things I've said (for example, treating my point about the AHE in KR being in a state of civil war far more often than not as if it were speaking of the WW1 AHE), and since it's literally midnight and I'm exhausted I have no desire to continue this conversation. Suffice it to say, I think that the Internationale could hold out against Germany long enough for Red America to lend its "we cornered 95% of the worthwhile farmland in North America, control all the best trade routes on the continent, and have something like three times the war production capacity of Germany on our worst day" factor to the war effort. Especially since KR Germany is overextended, alone, has a revanchist Russia on its flank, and probably lacks the luck and sheer military acumen to survive another two-front war.
Any word on when the updated version of KR is coming? Here is how things stand on my UK game:
Queen Wallis of Baltimore? Unthinkable, and keeping him incurs a stability penalty.
They say that to Secure Peace Prepare for war. How many Factories should I Assign to Production Lines to ensure training new units as quickly as possible?
Very similar to OTL so far. Um, guys, a Question: should I ~ as what was the mightiest Empire on Earth at that Time ~ Conquer Spain outright, Back the Republicans, or remain Neutral like in OTL?
So three 2nd rate powers plus Britain against a Germany a power that outstrips the Syndies continental powers by a massive margin probably maintains a healthy superiority against the UoB and has a Russia that is an utter shadow of OTLs USSR? I'll take those odds any day of the week
"We're fighting a 3-6 way civil war and have one of the worlds anti-syndicalist states on our doorstep, and this is probably gonna take at least as long as the 1st Civil War to finish ao have fun"
does the entirety of non-revolutionary Europe think that the 3rd Internationale is going to leave them alone?
This Russia?
"The Russian Empire lost a third of its population, a third of its railways, a third of its agricultural land (disproportionately including the more developed and more fertile parts), 54% of its industrial undertakings, 73% of its iron and 89% of its coal."
If you think Versaille was harsh then Brest-Litvosk makes it look mild. Between post-war reparations, the Russian Civil War, political instability, and Black Monday any Russia that enters the war would be a twisted parody of the USSR lacking the industry or the resources to effectively fight a combined arms campaign
The 3rd Internationale cannot win in a short war or a long one baring the other factions of the ACW drinking lead paint, Germany vs the Russian State/Empire/Whatever is hardly a fair fight
I strongly disagree, especially since the game is clearly set up to show an overstretched Germany choking to death on everything its nationalists ever wanted. Germany has no major powers as allies, has hostile powers on either side, is tied down by an immense and horribly-defended, nearly uncontrolled colonial empire, and is slowly choking to death on its own victory.
Germany's got the advantage in terms of manpower, but without Austria's backup it's in dire straights. Now, IF Austria makes it through without catastrophic civil war, its backwards but sizable military is certainly a massive help to Germany, and in point of fact in-game if Austria and Germany ally and America doesn't get involved in the war, they ARE capable of pulling off a two-front war, albeit at heavy cost. But in the starting situation, Germany is catastrophically overextended and surrounded by enemies, with buffer states that largely hate its guts and are generally on the verge of revolt.
Either way, as I said previously, we're just re-stating the same arguments now and aren't making a damn bit of progress.
Germany's got the advantage in terms of manpower, but without Austria's backup it's in dire straights. Now, IF Austria makes it through without catastrophic civil war, its backwards but sizable military is certainly a massive help to Germany, and in point of fact in-game if Austria and Germany ally and America doesn't get involved in the war, they ARE capable of pulling off a two-front war, albeit at heavy cost. But in the starting situation, Germany is catastrophically overextended and surrounded by enemies, with buffer states that largely hate its guts and are generally on the verge of revolt.
Either way, as I said previously, we're just re-stating the same arguments now and aren't making a damn bit of progress.
Agreed! Try banning capitalist thoughts and see how fast everybody destroys you.
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One of my favorite recommendations is, as always, the Indochinese Union. The devs really gave it quite the feel, and I couldn't explain it. Just play it!
Agreed! Try banning capitalist thoughts and see how fast everybody destroys you.
I should definitely try a Batavian Commune game again sometime, I haven't gone Totalist as them yet, but next chance I get... I will.
Honestly, I’d love the idea of being able to lead a Republican counterrevolution against the UoB, if we’re just throwing out idea, at least, I am.
Not that I don’t love the UoB, but I’ve played them way too many times to have fun with the revolution anymore.
Imagine it, an Anglo-American (Federal) Alliance, that is Anti-Entente and Anti-Reichspakt, a hardline democratic faction with options for the Spanish Republic, the Russian Republic, and other hard republic based democracy nations to join.
I dunno, just a dumb idea I threw together at the end of class, not that well put together atm.
Not that I don’t love the UoB, but I’ve played them way too many times to have fun with the revolution anymore.
Imagine it, an Anglo-American (Federal) Alliance, that is Anti-Entente and Anti-Reichspakt, a hardline democratic faction with options for the Spanish Republic, the Russian Republic, and other hard republic based democracy nations to join.
I dunno, just a dumb idea I threw together at the end of class, not that well put together atm.
I really like this idea, and honestly (with permission), I might do something with it. Perhaps something similar to the Irish-American alliance: something that happens once in a blue moon but is one of the best factions. I think any democratic US (post CW or Floyd Olson USA) should have the option to form this faction if they go down the interventionist foreign policy tree. I'll write more in a little bit.