With Eleanor gone Mary is the next heir, so the Howards are most likely not gonna have a good time.
With Eleanor gone Mary is the next heir, so the Howards are most likely not gonna have a good time.
The Courtenays definitely. And Mary seems to have been fond of Frances Grey, as well as her younger daughters, despite their differences in religion. Jane and Henry Grey, of course, had the rather unfortunate issue of having been either rebels or a rebel figurehead....
True dat
And this is very true, though here it seems that problem is gone. So, might Mary recall Henry Grey from Scotland, or might she use him to further ties with her most Catholic Cousin of Scots?
Bearing in mind Blue's post below, I could see Henry Grey being recalled, at least in the short-term until he has sworn his loyalty to Mary, but Mary being very keen to further relations with Catholic Scotland. I could see her offering any daughter she has with Luis to be a bride for one of James's sons...
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Philip was titled King IOTL wasn't he?
Though that was obviously a different situation, given Mary was already Queen when they married and they hashed out an agreement before going through with the marriage.
Luís will be most likely King Consort of England, like Phiilip. He s a royal prince and at that time a man who who married an heiress usually taken her title as his own “jure uxoris”. The only exceptions happened when the parliament/council refuted to concede the title (see in Scotland with Darnley, but Francis had the full crown matrimonial).Question for you all, but particularly @FalconHonour and @BlueFlowwer , what’s Mary
More likely to do for Luís? Name him prince consort or give him the styling his royal highness and give him a dukedom?
Why raising as Prince? The Duke of Beja is already a Prince of Portugal (as he was born son of a King, not from a junior line who can or not be entitled to the title of prince)As she is the first proper undisputed English Queen Regent there is no real precedent. Foreign precedent is King jure uxoris ( by right of wife ) which OTL Philip II was given. He did style himself King of England and Ireland not just Naples, Spain etc.
So it depends on the marriage contract, the default is King jure uxoris so it would have to explicitly written to give him a give a lessor style. As he is already a royal Duke, raising him to a Prince is possible ( upholds his dignity but does not put a foreigner above the English ). Any Dukedom would have to be a proper one as it did not increase his dignity so would be for lands/income.
The key part would be what power he was given or rather if it explicitly limited his power jure uxoris, that would be rather a new thing. Styling him Prince but limiting his power could be a compromise as even if he was kept a Duke he would rule otherwise.
Going on him being given an English title , if King is out its Prince or Duke. Prince would be the more distinctive one and not one that commoners had be raised to in the recent past.Why raising as Prince? The Duke of Beja is already a Prince of Portugal (as he was born son of a King, not from a junior line who can or not be entitled to the title of prince)
Alrighty from the responses it does seem as though king is on the tableGoing on him being given an English title , if King is out its Prince or Duke. Prince would be the more distinctive one and not one that commoners had be raised to in the recent past.
He is a fully royal prince with Lancastrian blood so the title of King is definitely on the tableAlrighty from the responses it does seem as though king is on the table