I can imagine that simply removing the continents would wreak havoc on their climates to begin with.
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If the ISOT is 2018, then you're probably going to see some really neat innovations in hydroculture as well as some very cool, nomadic, ocean-going civilizations as time goes on.
The end of the Burmese Campaigns would draw Chinese interest to the outside world once more. With most of their neighboring states either tributaries or otherwise pacified, the Shun dynasty could finally turn its attention to the sea lanes from which came bullion. The first Shun tributary missions were modeled on previous treasure fleets, particularly those of Zheng He, however they also had ulterior motives to observe the powers which were encroaching on the kingdom of heaven. The Royal Mufawadah of Bengal had sponsored and financially supported an uprising of Cham against the tributary state of Dai Viet, and the Catholics in Manila, Nagasaki, and Macau were not to be trusted after several attempts to invade China during the collapse of the Ming. The Zuanshi Emperor sent a fleet around the Indonesian archipelago, west to Chittagong, and to Kolombo, named the Great Tribute Mission of 1736, colloquially the Golden Fleet. Tribute was yielded by the Mufawadah, eager to once again directly participate in China trade. The Tribute Mission of 1739, also known as the Silver Fleet would visit Nagasaki, then continue across the Pacific to Spanish America, causing much consternation and apprehension by Spanish governors. The Mission would return to Xiamen after stopping in Manila. The lessons learned crossing the Pacific Ocean would be used on the Great Tribute Mission of 1745, when the ambitions of both Zheng Lin and the Tiequan Emperor came to their logical conclusion.
On the bright side is that the Falklands will be closer to Britain and be more recognized.
In 1836, The Russian Empire suffered a rebellion where the Kingdom of Ukraine declared independence. 60 years later, Europe had changed....
Gold: Spain (Kingdom of Spain)
Blue: France (Republic of France)
Dark Red: Austria-Hungary
Green: Italy (Kingdom of Italy)
Dark Brown: Germany (German Empire)
Dark Green: Russia (Russian Empire)
Yellow: Ukraine (Kingdom of Ukraine)
Light Blue: Sweden-Norway-Finland (Swewayland)
Gold: Spain (Kingdom of Spain)
Blue: France (Republic of France)
Dark Red: Austria-Hungary
Green: Italy (Kingdom of Italy)
Dark Brown: Germany (German Empire)
Dark Green: Russia (Russian Empire)
Yellow: Ukraine (Kingdom of Ukraine)
Light Blue: Sweden-Norway-Finland (Swewayland)
Alex Richards
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Heheh, oh god everyone's going to die.
Basically in a virgin world scenario you'd be looking at mass starvation in many areas but some countries would be able to pull through in the short term gap before they can get additional food, coal, oil, rare earth metals etc. from known locations in the Middle East, Ukraine etc. etc.
Here you've not got that. I'm pretty sure there just simply isn't enough Palladium, Vanadium, Chromium, Uranium etc. to actually do any of the clever stuff that future tech solutions might offer.
So basically you've got immediate mass death in many areas followed by a slightly more drawn mass death elsewhere as modern technology breaks down utterly with no way to replace or move beyond it.
Poor Venezia.
Also, if I may ask, why did Germany only annex part of the Netherlands?I would point out that Crimea as part of Ukraine is a recent-ish development (can't quite remember when - Brezhnev?).
Now, that's why you shouldn't put your capital on the coast. The Inca Empire, with it's capital at Cusco, would be in a better position: can't bring your naval assets with you up the mountains.
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Hapsburg
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This assertion genuinely confuses me. I live clear on the other side of the country, and even in school we learned that "Jap" when used in reference to Japanese people is always an ethnic slur.
@KanonenKartoffel liked the alt postWWI map but why so little Slovakia in Czechoslovakia?
In the year 2018, the twin cities of Hong Kong and Singapore were whisked away from the troubled 21st Century and plopped down in the time of Christ—1 AD. The two governments struggled to hold back panic, confusion and anger within the populace. Riots for simple bread and water broke out, killing thousands within hours. The saving grace of the cities was that all communications were down—no coordinated riot could occur, and thus they were saved from anarchy.
From the brink of anarchy, the twin cities pushed back.
The most pressing issue was that of food. This city of 7 million had been previously dependent on the mainland for food and water, and therefore needed alternative sources fast. The Hong Kong Coast Guard established contact with the Han Empire, which was in a period of turmoil during 0 AD. Rushed negotiations (with a healthy amount of bribes) let the local governor cut the red tape and permit 3 new Hong Kong settlements to be founded within the Han Empire’s borders. Within days, Hong Kong citizens had arrived in the Han Empire in the tens of thousands to create new farming settlements.
Each settlement was granted to one of Hong Kong’s greatest oligarchs, in theory on lease from the Hong Kong Government. The oligarchs were allowed to run the settlements as they saw fit—to collect taxes, mandate laws, or even conscript militiamen. Initially, the settlements were run with a sense of benevolence: the city was on the brink of collapse, and many were willing to give up their wealthy just to live another day. Companies re-purposed their dockworkers and hard laborers to build hospitals and roads; while white collar workers were given a crash course on the very basics of agriculture. Many died in the great famines of 0-23 AD, where some 40% of Hong Kong’s population was lost. Nevertheless, normalcy would return in time.
Singapore enjoyed a vastly different introduction to the world of 0 AD. The city was, for one, an independent city state. It was home to a proper navy, and well-trained army. So when the ISOT hit, martial law was enforced with efficiency. A communications blackout was put in place with Government-run radio stations broadcasting reaffirming messages 24/7. Singaporeans awoke one day to the disintegration of civilization—but at very least it was an orderly disintegration.
Behind the scenes, the leaders of Singapore were in full panic mode. The RSN had dispatched patrols across the Malay Peninsula and beyond, only to find no signs of the world of 2018. What they did find were proto-Malay tribes, after which terrified historians finally realized what had gone down. Lee Hsien-loong, Prime Minister of Singapore went on national radio 2 days after the event to inform the public about the event.
Pandemonium ensued.
Previously somewhat orderly supermarkets were stormed by mobs, where men and women would start clawing at each other just for an extra piece of bread. Thankfully, the military was equipped to handle the riots. Rubber bullets and tear gas fell upon small riots in Little India and Kampong Glam; then the army moved into the embattled urban areas, which were in complete anarchy. After 2 days of destruction, Singapore emerged bloodied and battered. The chaos however gave the Government a good reason to arrest and “resettle” hundreds of thousands in the Malay Peninsula, where agricultural settlements were to be founded.
Unlike Hong Kong, the Singaporean Government instituted an increasing authoritarian—even totalitarian grip on society. This allowed a relatively low 20% death rate in the city—a disproportionately large amount of them Malays—and the preservation of the pre-ISOT order.
In 32 AD, war came to Hong Kong. The former chief executive, Cheng Yuet Ngor, who had been exiled days into the ISOT had returned with a vengeance. Against all odds, she persuaded the Emperor of the China that Hong Kong was a threat on par with the Xiongnu hordes, and was granted a mandate to crush the “Southern Barbarians”. The Han forces were however, routed not for Hong Kong’s technology or skill at arms, but by disease. Sickness was a constant in Hong Kong’s frontier settlements. While modern medicine could save many Hongkongers from death, it was constantly overburdened and saved from the brink of collapse by sheer willpower.
When the first frontier settlement was sacked, the captives’ already sickly bodies began to break down. Modern plagues spread like wildfire in downtime lands, resulting in the largest catastrophe in human history—the Plague of Emperor Ai. By 50 AD, all of East Asia had been engulfed in a tidal wave of pestilence. This spread across the Silk Road into Parthia, then to India and Rome, where they were known as the Plagues of Tiberius. Thousands of bodies piled up in the great cities of the world, and soon many metropolises were but settlements of a few thousand people. Many nations, the Parthians for example, were reduced to nomadic lifestyles cut off from trade and contact, and human civilization crumbled.
Hong Kong is reminiscent of ancient Carthage—a merchant’s empire. Like Carthage, its military is composed of fierce mercenaries from across the globe. At its core are the descendants of the Chinese garrison in Hong Kong, the well-paid enforcers of the Chief Executive known now as the Chief’s Finest. From the ranks of the Finest, Hong Kong’s greatest commanders have been born, dutifully serving as the Chief Executive’s battering ram against enemies within and without. Hong Kong’s auxilia are generally made up of frontier militiamen under the employ of oligarchs; or the rare native host, though they are naturally treated with disdain. This mercenary army has left it’s mark upon every corner of the globe. Hong Kong’s campaigns have seen the Silk Road re-open, and the isolationist Yamato Kingdom kowtow to Hong Kong’s influences. They have even carved out their own colonies in the Americas and begun to bring the light of civilization to the New World.
Singapore grew increasingly totalitarian, evolving into a monarchy in all but name. Countless Prime Ministers under the Lee clan have lived and died, and the Singaporean court is a positively byzantine maze. The Lee clan has diversified into numerous cadet branches, who rule over the various provinces and colonies of the Merlion Republic.
Singapore’s economy is built upon serfdom. In Hong Kong, the farming peasantry were a somewhat volunteer force, and had been at least willing to go out to the frontiers and feed their families back home. In Singapore, it was felons and criminals that had been sent to farm, and they had henceforth been considered serfs indebted to the nation. Each year, more serfs from faraway India arrive in the Singaporean heartland to labor in fields, mines and plantations. Economic prosperity creates more demand for serfs; and more serfs creates economic prosperity—a never ending cycle that perpetuates conquest and exploitation across South Asia.
The two giants have come to blows numerous times: Hong Kong wants Singapore’s rubber, and Singapore wants Hong Kong’s vast enslavable population. Trade has won out for the moment, but an increasing trade imbalance in Hong Kong’s favor has the Lee Clan worrying. That is not to mention the incessant skirmishes between the Parthian and Kushan Empires…
Another influential group are the Malays, who form the planet’s largest Muslim population. The ISOTed Malays had found themselves in Singapore’s largely secular society—a largely secular society that was hypocritically distrustful of the “uppity”, “aggressively Mohammadean” Malay population. Thinly veiled displays of Han Nationalism made many realize that Singapore wasn’t their homeland anymore. The Malayan Consulate offered the Singaporean government a deal—the Malays would begin an exodus far from Singapore's shores, and the Lee Clan would provide them the ships to do so. In AD 132, the first of the exodite fleets arrived in Egypt to set up shop near the Nile. Egypt had been dominated by a string of Hellenic states since Roman collapse, and Pharoh Ptolemy XXIII ruled the restored Ptolemaic Kingdom. According to legend, Ptolemy immediately took interest in the newcomer’s religion—Islam (though skeptics say he simply hoped to gain access to uptimer technology)—and began the mass conversion of his Kingdom. By 300 AD, the Malays found themselves members of a new Dar-al-Islam, a mesh of Malay and Hellenic cultures.
Of the Uptime polities, the strangest are the Caucasian States and New Australia. Whites had for a long time enjoyed a socially privileged status in Hong Kong, and by uptime's 2018, the scars of the colonial age were quickly wearing away. The rich of Hong Kong and Singapore were wising up to the fact that they were not a Caucasian entity, but rather an Anglophone entity. When the ISOT happened though, the 210,000 Caucasians in Hong Kong and Singapore found themselves in an increasingly mono-cultural, intolerant society, themselves being the easily identifiable prime targets of many anti-rich riots. Caucasians were placed in the shoes of the medieval Jews, and Caucasian quarters were created around American and British embassies, run by triad-esque groups known as "Lodges". Lodges served as the collective voice of the Caucasian community, often stuffing the pockets of the societal elite to become their lobbyists.
The rejection of Caucasians by mainstream society bred discontent amongst the lodges, and by 90 AD, the US Embassy of Hong Kong and Australian Embassy of Singapore gathered the funds to begin private expeditions to find their homelands. In 121 AD, Charles Gabsten-Sho planted the American flag on Californian soil to form the Caucasian States; and in 253 AD (after several long delays), Anderson Fu planted the Australian-luddite flag in former New South Wales. As of 300 AD, The two polities have received a steady stream of migrants from Hong Kong and Singapore, but remain economically and politically tied to their homelands.
Competition intensified in 200 AD, when Hong Kong explorers finally reopened the silk road. They came across the Kushan Empire, which was picking itself up from the great plagues that traveled down the Road. Modern medicine, modern industry and modern technology was introduced to the Middle East, and a new enlightenment began. Singapore attempted the same with Parthia, and had soon rebuilt Rome's ancient rival. The followers of Zoroaster and the Buddha are locked in a great war of attrition funded by Hong Kong arms and Singaporean capital with peace treaties torn up at the most convenient opportunity.
Hong Kong's Nepali and Punjabi community have seized the Ganges for their patrons; while Singapore's Indian community has transformed the remainder of the subcontinent into a new Raj. A thousand principalities battle each other: some wielding spears, others tanks and planes. Each year brings with it a new Indian War, and a step closer to a final confrontation. History tells us that these two giants will clash some day or another, both neither is willing to make the first move. For the moment, it remains 300 AD's greatest staring contest.
From the brink of anarchy, the twin cities pushed back.
Twilight Struggle in a Sea of Time
Hong Kong underwent a plutocratic coup weeks into the ISOT, which deposed and then exiled the out of touch Chief Executive Mrs. Cheng Yuet Ngor. The new government was backed by a portion of the Chinese garrison in Hong Kong, and soon had mobilized the police force as well to pacify the population. They would proclaim Tsang Chun-hwa, Mrs. Cheng’s chief political rival as the new leader of a new Hong Kong Provisional Administration, in theory the official successor to the People’s Republic of China until contact was re-established with the Central Government.
The most pressing issue was that of food. This city of 7 million had been previously dependent on the mainland for food and water, and therefore needed alternative sources fast. The Hong Kong Coast Guard established contact with the Han Empire, which was in a period of turmoil during 0 AD. Rushed negotiations (with a healthy amount of bribes) let the local governor cut the red tape and permit 3 new Hong Kong settlements to be founded within the Han Empire’s borders. Within days, Hong Kong citizens had arrived in the Han Empire in the tens of thousands to create new farming settlements.
Each settlement was granted to one of Hong Kong’s greatest oligarchs, in theory on lease from the Hong Kong Government. The oligarchs were allowed to run the settlements as they saw fit—to collect taxes, mandate laws, or even conscript militiamen. Initially, the settlements were run with a sense of benevolence: the city was on the brink of collapse, and many were willing to give up their wealthy just to live another day. Companies re-purposed their dockworkers and hard laborers to build hospitals and roads; while white collar workers were given a crash course on the very basics of agriculture. Many died in the great famines of 0-23 AD, where some 40% of Hong Kong’s population was lost. Nevertheless, normalcy would return in time.
Singapore enjoyed a vastly different introduction to the world of 0 AD. The city was, for one, an independent city state. It was home to a proper navy, and well-trained army. So when the ISOT hit, martial law was enforced with efficiency. A communications blackout was put in place with Government-run radio stations broadcasting reaffirming messages 24/7. Singaporeans awoke one day to the disintegration of civilization—but at very least it was an orderly disintegration.
Behind the scenes, the leaders of Singapore were in full panic mode. The RSN had dispatched patrols across the Malay Peninsula and beyond, only to find no signs of the world of 2018. What they did find were proto-Malay tribes, after which terrified historians finally realized what had gone down. Lee Hsien-loong, Prime Minister of Singapore went on national radio 2 days after the event to inform the public about the event.
Pandemonium ensued.
Previously somewhat orderly supermarkets were stormed by mobs, where men and women would start clawing at each other just for an extra piece of bread. Thankfully, the military was equipped to handle the riots. Rubber bullets and tear gas fell upon small riots in Little India and Kampong Glam; then the army moved into the embattled urban areas, which were in complete anarchy. After 2 days of destruction, Singapore emerged bloodied and battered. The chaos however gave the Government a good reason to arrest and “resettle” hundreds of thousands in the Malay Peninsula, where agricultural settlements were to be founded.
Unlike Hong Kong, the Singaporean Government instituted an increasing authoritarian—even totalitarian grip on society. This allowed a relatively low 20% death rate in the city—a disproportionately large amount of them Malays—and the preservation of the pre-ISOT order.
In 32 AD, war came to Hong Kong. The former chief executive, Cheng Yuet Ngor, who had been exiled days into the ISOT had returned with a vengeance. Against all odds, she persuaded the Emperor of the China that Hong Kong was a threat on par with the Xiongnu hordes, and was granted a mandate to crush the “Southern Barbarians”. The Han forces were however, routed not for Hong Kong’s technology or skill at arms, but by disease. Sickness was a constant in Hong Kong’s frontier settlements. While modern medicine could save many Hongkongers from death, it was constantly overburdened and saved from the brink of collapse by sheer willpower.
When the first frontier settlement was sacked, the captives’ already sickly bodies began to break down. Modern plagues spread like wildfire in downtime lands, resulting in the largest catastrophe in human history—the Plague of Emperor Ai. By 50 AD, all of East Asia had been engulfed in a tidal wave of pestilence. This spread across the Silk Road into Parthia, then to India and Rome, where they were known as the Plagues of Tiberius. Thousands of bodies piled up in the great cities of the world, and soon many metropolises were but settlements of a few thousand people. Many nations, the Parthians for example, were reduced to nomadic lifestyles cut off from trade and contact, and human civilization crumbled.
The Giants
300 years hence, the world is unrecognizable. Hong Kong continued to expand across Southern China, eventually creating vast “unorganized territories” under the rule of her oligarchs. The Legislative Council is nominally the democratic representative of the citizenry, but is in reality packed with legislators in the pockets of the rich and powerful.Hong Kong is reminiscent of ancient Carthage—a merchant’s empire. Like Carthage, its military is composed of fierce mercenaries from across the globe. At its core are the descendants of the Chinese garrison in Hong Kong, the well-paid enforcers of the Chief Executive known now as the Chief’s Finest. From the ranks of the Finest, Hong Kong’s greatest commanders have been born, dutifully serving as the Chief Executive’s battering ram against enemies within and without. Hong Kong’s auxilia are generally made up of frontier militiamen under the employ of oligarchs; or the rare native host, though they are naturally treated with disdain. This mercenary army has left it’s mark upon every corner of the globe. Hong Kong’s campaigns have seen the Silk Road re-open, and the isolationist Yamato Kingdom kowtow to Hong Kong’s influences. They have even carved out their own colonies in the Americas and begun to bring the light of civilization to the New World.
Singapore grew increasingly totalitarian, evolving into a monarchy in all but name. Countless Prime Ministers under the Lee clan have lived and died, and the Singaporean court is a positively byzantine maze. The Lee clan has diversified into numerous cadet branches, who rule over the various provinces and colonies of the Merlion Republic.
Singapore’s economy is built upon serfdom. In Hong Kong, the farming peasantry were a somewhat volunteer force, and had been at least willing to go out to the frontiers and feed their families back home. In Singapore, it was felons and criminals that had been sent to farm, and they had henceforth been considered serfs indebted to the nation. Each year, more serfs from faraway India arrive in the Singaporean heartland to labor in fields, mines and plantations. Economic prosperity creates more demand for serfs; and more serfs creates economic prosperity—a never ending cycle that perpetuates conquest and exploitation across South Asia.
The two giants have come to blows numerous times: Hong Kong wants Singapore’s rubber, and Singapore wants Hong Kong’s vast enslavable population. Trade has won out for the moment, but an increasing trade imbalance in Hong Kong’s favor has the Lee Clan worrying. That is not to mention the incessant skirmishes between the Parthian and Kushan Empires…
The Uptime Polities
Beyond the seas, numerous minorities residing in Hong Kong and Singapore have set up their own kingdoms. Foremost are the Filipinos, jokingly referred to as the “Third nation in the sea of time”. The Filipinos were the largest minority in Hong Kong, most of the expatriate population being foreign domestic helpers—maids to Hong Kong families. The luxury of maids was indeed done away with following the ISOT, so Filipino ghettos were created. These ghettos had an almost 90% female population, and as such prostitution ran rampant. The lack of birth control created an involuntary population boom, and soon the ghettos were getting really packed, really fast. Attempts at resettling Filipinos were met with extreme violence and the threat of rebellion, so the Hong Kong Government decided to simply starve out the ghettos. The Great Filipino Culling occurred in 67 AD, a traumatizing event that finally sent many away. The Filipinos gathered what they had to create makeshift boats, and bravely sailed to Luzon to reclaim their old homeland. In 300 AD, the Tagalog Republics fill the archipelago, many of them looking to exact revenge upon Hong Kong.Another influential group are the Malays, who form the planet’s largest Muslim population. The ISOTed Malays had found themselves in Singapore’s largely secular society—a largely secular society that was hypocritically distrustful of the “uppity”, “aggressively Mohammadean” Malay population. Thinly veiled displays of Han Nationalism made many realize that Singapore wasn’t their homeland anymore. The Malayan Consulate offered the Singaporean government a deal—the Malays would begin an exodus far from Singapore's shores, and the Lee Clan would provide them the ships to do so. In AD 132, the first of the exodite fleets arrived in Egypt to set up shop near the Nile. Egypt had been dominated by a string of Hellenic states since Roman collapse, and Pharoh Ptolemy XXIII ruled the restored Ptolemaic Kingdom. According to legend, Ptolemy immediately took interest in the newcomer’s religion—Islam (though skeptics say he simply hoped to gain access to uptimer technology)—and began the mass conversion of his Kingdom. By 300 AD, the Malays found themselves members of a new Dar-al-Islam, a mesh of Malay and Hellenic cultures.
Of the Uptime polities, the strangest are the Caucasian States and New Australia. Whites had for a long time enjoyed a socially privileged status in Hong Kong, and by uptime's 2018, the scars of the colonial age were quickly wearing away. The rich of Hong Kong and Singapore were wising up to the fact that they were not a Caucasian entity, but rather an Anglophone entity. When the ISOT happened though, the 210,000 Caucasians in Hong Kong and Singapore found themselves in an increasingly mono-cultural, intolerant society, themselves being the easily identifiable prime targets of many anti-rich riots. Caucasians were placed in the shoes of the medieval Jews, and Caucasian quarters were created around American and British embassies, run by triad-esque groups known as "Lodges". Lodges served as the collective voice of the Caucasian community, often stuffing the pockets of the societal elite to become their lobbyists.
The rejection of Caucasians by mainstream society bred discontent amongst the lodges, and by 90 AD, the US Embassy of Hong Kong and Australian Embassy of Singapore gathered the funds to begin private expeditions to find their homelands. In 121 AD, Charles Gabsten-Sho planted the American flag on Californian soil to form the Caucasian States; and in 253 AD (after several long delays), Anderson Fu planted the Australian-luddite flag in former New South Wales. As of 300 AD, The two polities have received a steady stream of migrants from Hong Kong and Singapore, but remain economically and politically tied to their homelands.
The Twilight Struggle
From the moment Hong Kong and Singapore rediscovered each other months into the ISOT, both realized that they were destined to be enemies within the next century. Singapore used her navy to secure much of the South China Sea, and had soon established outposts from Vietnam to Taiwan. Hong Kong for her part moved into the lucrative Red River Delta in the immediate aftermath of the Han-Hong Kong War.Competition intensified in 200 AD, when Hong Kong explorers finally reopened the silk road. They came across the Kushan Empire, which was picking itself up from the great plagues that traveled down the Road. Modern medicine, modern industry and modern technology was introduced to the Middle East, and a new enlightenment began. Singapore attempted the same with Parthia, and had soon rebuilt Rome's ancient rival. The followers of Zoroaster and the Buddha are locked in a great war of attrition funded by Hong Kong arms and Singaporean capital with peace treaties torn up at the most convenient opportunity.
Hong Kong's Nepali and Punjabi community have seized the Ganges for their patrons; while Singapore's Indian community has transformed the remainder of the subcontinent into a new Raj. A thousand principalities battle each other: some wielding spears, others tanks and planes. Each year brings with it a new Indian War, and a step closer to a final confrontation. History tells us that these two giants will clash some day or another, both neither is willing to make the first move. For the moment, it remains 300 AD's greatest staring contest.
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Skallagrim
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You've made a wonderful map and a very well thought-out scenario. I regret that I can only give it one like. To show my appreciation, I will now be that dick who points out that 0 AD doesn't exist. The calendar goes from 1 BC (the last year in which Jesus wasn't there yet) to 1 AD (the first year in which Jesus was there). No 'year zero' in between.
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