Map Thread XVIII

[Cool-Eh]

This is small author's fantasy about «Lovely Russia of Future», about how I see ideal Russian territories and its state structure

Firstly I disagree with the politics expressed here but prefer to focus on the map.

If this is meant to be a future map then when do think Germany will split between east and west again as you show? Also Danish Holstein and that border change between Belarus and Lithuania seem unlikely.

Moldova reuniting to Romania seems reasonable if not what I would expect in a Russia wank map.

When is the capitol moved away from Moscow? and it seems like a very odd move for the capitol to be in former kazakstan.
It is quite a nice looking map.

 

[kreiviskai]

When is the capitol moved away from Moscow? and it seems like a very odd move for the capitol to be in former kazakstan.
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According to Machiavelli, if you want to hold conquered land, so its better to live in it.

 

[Lowtuff]

I will just say only one phrase - this is simple reaction of Russian people to what is happening with Russians

Some Russians, perhaps. And they have my sympathy for being hoodwinked by a way of thinking that - as other people here have noted - takes very little wrangling to match up with the other nationalist abominations of history.

 

[TitanProductions]

Poor Venezia. Also, if I may ask, why did Germany only annex part of the Netherlands?

The northern regions were more rebellious towards the Germans. Therefore, Germany couldn't hold onto the northern regions.

 

[TitanProductions]

I would point out that Crimea as part of Ukraine is a recent-ish development (can't quite remember when - Brezhnev?).

In this universe, Russia didn't have a good control over Ukraine. Crimeans identified themselves as Ukrainian rather than Russian.

 

[CalBear]

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This is small author's fantasy about «Lovely Russia of Future», about how I see ideal Russian territories and its state structure

Russia, officially the Russian Republic is a state in Eastern Europe and North Asia.
The capital is Petropavlovsk. National language is Russian.
It is governed as a unitary semi-presidential republic. Russia includes 57 oblasts and 1 capital district.

Oblasts have wide self-management in internal affairs. The oblast's Administration is subordinated to the Oblast's Council - a regional legislature elected by a oblast election. Alongside with the Administration and the Council there are representatives of the central government (appointed from the capital) to oversee regional power's activities and to fight with corruption.

Things that were (need to be) changed:
- National autonomies are abolished, their ethnocracies are disbanded, an active policy is being implemented to plant the Russian language. Yakutia is divided between two existing regions and one newly formed one. The Caucasian republics are joined to the nearing Russian populated oblasts.
- Limited irredentism: the southern Urals and Siberia and the city of Narva are annexed. In the former Kazakh territories, a jerrimendering was conducted to establish the absolute Russian majority in all newly formed oblasts. Two million Kazakhs living on annexed lands are subject to a policy of extrusion, like real Kazakh and Baltic ones. Citizenship is issued only to those who lived in these territories until 1991 or their descendants. Thus, oralmans and settlers from South Kazakhstan are cut off and are forced to leave.
- The capital is in Petropavlovsk. A small wave of migration from Russia will press the Kazakhs even more, also the capital was also moved out of major economic centers and big cities to destroy financial centralization of the country.
- New federal highways have been built (Arkhangelsk-Kirov, Irkutsk-Magadan and Khabarovsk-Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk), through which the economy and infrastructure of the northern regions and the Far East are more likely to develop.
- The new administrative division, basically, is built on the state policy of urbanization. The Russian villagers and the population of the northern Siberian and Yakut regions are forced to move to the cities. Thus, depressed provincial regions are eliminated, and in the non-Russian regions cities are assimilating non-Russian population.

I I spent about a week doing research about Russian logistics, infrastructure and other state problems to make a good solution for it, IMO, of course

Uh...

You do realize that ethnic cleansing is considered to be the same as genocide in many legal opinions, and as a Crime Against Humanity under formal international law, right?

Instead of studying the logistics of this you should have studied international law and the Nuremberg Trials. That might have saved you.

As is..

This is one of the Eight Ways to Crash Land.

We divorce you.

To Coventry with you.

 

[Ameck16]

This is the first time I've seen someone get banned for a map.

 

[Philip]

This is the first time I've seen someone get banned for a map.

The map itself was fine. The ideas behind it, not so much.

 

[Hominid]

The map itself was fine. The ideas behind it, not so much.

I think it would have been fine if the creator hadn't called it "an ideal situation" or explained that ethnic cleansing "needs" to happen.

 

[damein fisher]

This is the first time I've seen someone get banned for a map.

Yeah, the problem wasn't even the idea, but his support of it, claiming it was his ideal world. I've been vocal on my feelings towards this sites moderation, but this ban was 100% deserved.

 

[Oxander]

If it had been "a what if" scenario, or an in-TL viewpoint, that's one thing. This guy was actively espousing what he sincerely felt ought to take place for the best, from his own stance.

 

[Dragorun]

Well, for one, i'm russian too, and think myself as kinda moderate nationalist, but "ethnic" ideas behind this map made me sick. My grandfather fight in war from beginning right to Berlin not for THIS. Promotion of russian language and culture in national authonomies? Yes, be sure. But enforcing segregation and civic rights suppression of non-russian peoples just wrong. Deportation and exchange of the population can be justified in certain cases, but only as long as resettled receive equal living conditions in the new place. And such an approach is not cheap.

 

[ninel]

This is the first time I've seen someone get banned for a map.

There was once guy banned for his “ideal” world map that on surface was nothing objectionable, but moderation considered it to be deeply a bunch of racialist dogwhistles. So that’s not really the first time.

 

[Taniquetil]

Well, for one, i'm russian too, and think myself as kinda moderate nationalist, but "ethnic" ideas behind this map made me sick. My grandfather fight in war from beginning right to Berlin not for THIS. Promotion of russian language and culture in national authonomies? Yes, be sure. But enforcing segregation and civic rights suppression of non-russian peoples just wrong. Deportation and exchange of the population can be justified in certain cases, but only as long as resettled receive equal living conditions in the new place. And such an approach is not cheap.

Sorry, but you're almost as bad as the OP if you believe that deportation on an ethnic basis and forced cultural conversion programs are benign or acceptable in any way.

 

[Dragorun]

Sorry, but you're almost as bad as the OP if you believe that deportation on an ethnic basis and forced cultural conversion programs are benign or acceptable in any way.

Ha! Read carefully, where you saw the word "forced"? Are promotion necessarily must be forced? And deportations are sometimes the best way for dividing on different sides, for example, two warring nations living mixed on the same territory. Dealing with ethnic enclaves and the like. Better to resettle them away from each other than eventual bloodshed.

 

[gxblt]

There was once guy banned for his “ideal” world map that on surface was nothing objectionable, but moderation considered it to be deeply a bunch of racialist dogwhistles. So that’s not really the first time.

Sorry, but you're almost as bad as the OP if you believe that deportation on an ethnic basis and forced cultural conversion programs are benign or acceptable in any way.

If it had been "a what if" scenario, or an in-TL viewpoint, that's one thing. This guy was actively espousing what he sincerely felt ought to take place for the best, from his own stance.

Yes, they are atrocious people with dreadfully misinformed and lethal beliefs, but I should think we ought to get back to mapping. The main Hitler was duly kicked, leave the tomahawk to rest no matter how righteous the flame burns.

If only we had special members with privileges who could keep discussion civil and on topic?

 

[Clandango]

This is small author's fantasy about «Lovely Russia of Future», about how I see ideal Russian territories and its state structur I spent about a week doing research about Russian logistics, infrastructure and other state problems to make a good solution for it, IMO, of course

Shame I didn't ask about East Germanny and Denmark before he left. I assume the Danish and Holstein roots of some of the last Romanovs would be enough to get it tributary status. Actually interesting he didn't try having land from Georgia and Ukraine annexed. Anyways, that is my few cents. Anyone know if the coat of arms he used is historic or if it semi-fascist. I recall long ago finding a beauty Russian flag that turned out to be kinda fascist. A bit hard to tell, given often people snag ever historical symbol they can find. On a side note, anyone seen a map with population that doesn't round up to the nearest hundred thousand?

In the year 2018, the twin cities of Hong Kong and Singapore were whisked away from the troubled 21st Century and plopped down in the time of Christ—1 AD. The two governments struggled to hold back panic, confusion and anger within the populace. Riots for simple bread and water broke out, killing thousands within hours. The saving grace of the cities was that all communications were down—no coordinated riot could occur, and thus they were saved from ana

https://www.theonion.com/in-retrospect-i-guess-we-might-have-resorted-to-cannib-1819583474

Really wish I read the whole post, but it took me six minutes to edit this post on my iPad. From what I saw when erasing suggests there is quite a bit of... tension. I can't see the Caucasian states going by that name, and that all foreigners or non-Cantonese or Chinese would leave the two areas, but I am getting away from what I was originally going to ask. Which is how much water is being taken along with them. I always feel it is important in an ISOT, and especially so here. I don't mean water underground, though I assume that the ISOT will include a mile or so underground, but the ocean, the fish, the ships, docks, dreaded harbors...

Next one!

Ooh la la. Makes me wish some people would make traps during the Revolutionary Period and onward, when the Austrians, Spanish, French, etc were carving everything up. And when the Prussians did what they did, invading people when they were weak or vulnerable. Perhaps put a number by Heligoland, as I think it was British at this point, and is certainly too small to too color. Did Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia really have this level of subverance to Turkey as shown on the map? Trying to think over the situation then, but I suppose after the French trounced the Mamelukes and the Ottomans and British defeated the French (with Napoleon leaving the army and basically just not mentioning it when getting back to France) would leave Egypt's autonomy at a less than stellar state. Not that it was that good at the time, considering the Mamelukes were mostly from Georgia and refused to have children. Ahh, and is Erfurt too small to show on the map as French? Think there was also a hook of French land on the Rhine, but I am guessing that is what you show as partially white. I didn't know the Swedes occupied Swedish Pomerania, so I learned something new with this map. By the way, are the map colors set? I feel the British and Dano-Norwegian colors are too similar, and that the mountains in so much of their land just maps it more difficult to differentiate if you don't already know who rules what. And I almost feel like the Rhein color is too close to Poland. Having it more similar to Saxony might work, given the personal union. All in all, this is gorgeous. I almost feel you should add a day and month to the map though, if only because of how often things changed in a year.

Read his stuff in the Kazakhs. I could try making an argument how he is wrong to say that stuff, but his word seems are the argument itself.

 

[damein fisher]

If only we had special members with privileges who could keep discussion civil and on topic?

Robloxdeathnoise.mp3

 

[SuperZtar64]

To begin, because I can't post the main event without a map, I present a simple labeled map from one of my favorite timelines.

This will help you to understand this little ditty I wrote up better. Bonus points if you know the song. (NOTE: Does not nearly contain all the states. Also, some syllable stuffing here and there, but flows mostly well.)

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour without a care

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour...

First i'm gonna see, NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE

Then HERMOSILLO in SONORA is where I gotta be

Then i'll take a plane- (well, actually I'm afraid to fly so I think I'll take the train!)

Going to HAVANA, WEST CUBA, FRANKFORT, KENTUCKY, maybe take a trip to CAMBRIDGE, MISSISSIPPI,

Let's see what they can show me, in good 'ol ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI,

SANTA FE, WEST TEXAS, PRESCOTT, COLORADO, BOISE, IDAHO I love it every time that I go...

In 1492 he sailed the ocean blue, but next week I'll see COLUMBUS in OHIO!

Grab a little sunshine in SANTIAGO, EAST CUBA, take a bite of a peach in MILLEDGEVILLE, GEORGIA.

I've never been to WALKER CITY, NICARAGUA, or OMAHA, NEBRASKA.

You can catch me in SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO, or SAN JOSE in COSTA RICA, yeah.

BLISS CITY, AURURIA, maybe, MOORESVILLE, ALASKA yeah!

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour without a care

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour...

TEGUCIGALPA, HONDURAS, EL PASO, CHIHUAHUA, going to SEATTLE, NEW CALEDONIA,

WILLSTOWN, ALABAMA, and COLUMBIA, F.D., to see the nation's capital!

Let's all say Hola! To CALI, BUENAVENTURA, RACCOON CITY, IOWA's peaceful to me...

Going to SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, to build a little house on a prairie!

In LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS, I love what I saw, going back to DOVER, DELAWARE, 'cause I want more!

INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA, TALLAHASSEE, JACKSON, need an encore!

Smelling memela in OAXACA, I like KANSAS CITY, KANSAS, I'm glad that I came, but i've...

... never been to SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH or RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.

Gonna see SAN LUIS in POTOSI or MONTGOMERY, EAST FLORIDA, yeah!

ANNAPOLIS, MARLYAND, maybe, FAYETTEVILLE, WASHINGTON, yeah!

ZACATECAS and DURANGO, COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA, going to BOGOTA, ANITOQUIA, follow if you wanna!

I'll be eatin' a banana in BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANA, schedule that for my planna'!

Friends say I've got to some sooner to OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA, so I guess I'm gonna.

But first I'm going to FT. COLLINS, WYOMING, and to party in RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA.

HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA, then we go to FRANKLIN, WESTYLVANIA, then we're skipping to

BOSTON, OREGON, ALLENSTOWN, EAST TEXAS, then maybe CAMPECHE, YUCATAN for breakfast!

JACKSON, WEST FLORIDA's a blast, and SNELLING up in WILKINSON is just the bestest...

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour without a care

I want to take a little trip somewhere, yeah, places I've never been, yeah.

Going on a tour...

 

[Electricity Eggs]

Bonus points if you know the song