An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government

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My cover of @KitFisto1997's Republic of South Africa entry. Many thanks to him, who helped me make this and provided the text here.
  • East/West relations are pretty chill by 2015. The US and USSR have their own moonbases plus some European/UN run ones to boot. An international Mars mission is in the works.
  • Romania remains under their communist government and is the European North Korea. Nicu Ceaușescu runs the country after his father died in the late 90's.
  • Former South Africa is a poor shithole full of breakaway ethnostates. Think OTL Yugoslavia on 'roids. Pretoria, Jo'burg and Durban were nuked during the civil war as a last resort on the behalf of the Apartheid government. There's a moderate Cape Republic, a radical Afrikaner Volkstaat, a Zulu Kingdom and a neo-Communist Azania in the Transvaal/Orange Republic area. The Afrikaner Volkstaat engages in the occasional border war with their Communist Azanian neighbors to the north (Transvaal) while SADF-backed mercenaries operate all over the former South African Republic to restore their country.
  • China falls to a Second Civil War after an alternate version of the Tiananmen Protests takes place. Meanwhile, Taiwan remains an autocratic dictatorship, ran by the by the grandson of Chiang Kai-Shek. Taipei intervenes in the Civil War and manages to snag the southern portion of the former PRC, while a moderate reformist faction on the mainland takes the rest of the state. The current situation is sorta like a reverse Korean Conflict, albeit it’s moderate liberalism vs autocratic conservatism.
  • Japan re-militarises during a Korean War II in the 1990’s and is now the proud owner of a nuclear weapons deterrent and a couple of aircraft carriers to boot.
  • Afghanistan remains a Communist state but is in a similar camp to Romania, refusing to turn to a market economy and has strained relations with the USSR. It is, funnily enough, an Islamo-Communist nation, with Pashtun tribes running kibbutz-style farms/villages that are under the oversight of the Party.
  • The US has gradually withdrawn from global military conflicts and is starting to hand over occupation duties to either their allies or the United Nations. One may only see American troops as apart of a UN taskforce as opposed to an independent military these days. However, it does retain alliances with some states, particularly in Latin America and Europe. To replace direct intervention, the Americans prefer to use mercenaries.
  • Rhodesia stands triumphant over the ZANU guerillas and continues to fight against international pressure over their white-minority government. South Africa and Portugal given them token support while Ian Smith’s son rules the roost.
  • An East African economic union exists, but is starting to become dominated by Kenyan political and economic interests. Think a fun-sized EU, but in Africa.
  • Nigeria is rising to the forefront of African politics and is apart of a ‘Third World Bloc’ of nations that seeks to keep the Yanks (First World) and Soviets (Second World) off their back. The alliance consists of Nigeria, Brazil, Ethiopia (the monarchy stuck around), India, Libya (Gaddafi still runs the show), Turkey (nasty military dictatorship that’s dedicated to stomping out Islamism and making Ataturk proud) and Algeria.
  • Australia became a republic after the 1999 referendum and now takes the place of the US in guarding the Pacific alongside Japan and a revitalises Philippines, which is now a borderline first-world state.
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War Has Changed
My cover of @KitFisto1997's Republic of South Africa entry. Many thanks to him, who helped me make this and provided the text here.
  • East/West relations are pretty chill by 2015. The US and USSR have their own moonbases plus some European/UN run ones to boot. An international Mars mission is in the works.
  • Romania remains under their communist government and is the European North Korea. Nicu Ceaușescu runs the country after his father died in the late 90's.
  • Former South Africa is a poor shithole full of breakaway ethnostates. Think OTL Yugoslavia on 'roids. Pretoria, Jo'burg and Durban were nuked during the civil war as a last resort on the behalf of the Apartheid government. There's a moderate Cape Republic, a radical Afrikaner Volkstaat, a Zulu Kingdom and a neo-Communist Azania in the Transvaal/Orange Republic area. The Afrikaner Volkstaat engages in the occasional border war with their Communist Azanian neighbors to the north (Transvaal) while SADF-backed mercenaries operate all over the former South African Republic to restore their country.
  • China falls to a Second Civil War after an alternate version of the Tiananmen Protests takes place. Meanwhile, Taiwan remains an autocratic dictatorship, ran by the by the grandson of Chiang Kai-Shek. Taipei intervenes in the Civil War and manages to snag the southern portion of the former PRC, while a moderate reformist faction on the mainland takes the rest of the state. The current situation is sorta like a reverse Korean Conflict, albeit it’s moderate liberalism vs autocratic conservatism.
  • Japan re-militarises during a Korean War II in the 1990’s and is now the proud owner of a nuclear weapons deterrent and a couple of aircraft carriers to boot.
  • Afghanistan remains a Communist state but is in a similar camp to Romania, refusing to turn to a market economy and has strained relations with the USSR. It is, funnily enough, an Islamo-Communist nation, with Pashtun tribes running kibbutz-style farms/villages that are under the oversight of the Party.
  • The US has gradually withdrawn from global military conflicts and is starting to hand over occupation duties to either their allies or the United Nations. One may only see American troops as apart of a UN taskforce as opposed to an independent military these days. However, it does retain alliances with some states, particularly in Latin America and Europe. To replace direct intervention, the Americans prefer to use mercenaries.
  • Rhodesia stands triumphant over the ZANU guerillas and continues to fight against international pressure over their white-minority government. South Africa and Portugal given them token support while Ian Smith’s son rules the roost.
  • An East African economic union exists, but is starting to become dominated by Kenyan political and economic interests. Think a fun-sized EU, but in Africa.
  • Nigeria is rising to the forefront of African politics and is apart of a ‘Third World Bloc’ of nations that seeks to keep the Yanks (First World) and Soviets (Second World) off their back. The alliance consists of Nigeria, Brazil, Ethiopia (the monarchy stuck around), India, Libya (Gaddafi still runs the show), Turkey (nasty military dictatorship that’s dedicated to stomping out Islamism and making Ataturk proud) and Algeria.
  • Australia became a republic after the 1999 referendum and now takes the place of the US in guarding the Pacific alongside Japan and a revitalises Philippines, which is now a borderline first-world state.
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Great map, but I don't think the green Chinese country is in the key.
 
WRT to note 14; I'm...reasonably certain that, asides from Chabad-Lubavitch, most Ultraorthodox Chasidim are pretty anti-Zionist?
 
So I was bumming around Wolfenstein 2 and I found an in-universe newspaper reviewing an alternate history novel called The Trumbauer Journals (Peter Trumbaer is the Luftwaffe pilot who dropped the A-bomb on New York ITTL). The basic overview is that in this AH within an AH, Trumbauer is shot down minutes before he reaches New York and has to bail, while the bomb lands unexploded and is recovered by the US and used against the Nazis, who surrender (presumably assuming the Americans have more). Then the Americans form the oppressive untermenchen-led Global Regime, ho hum. What I was thinking about was what would it look like if the same PoD happened and subsequent events weren't colored by Nazi propaganda? The Americans would get a tech boost from the Da'at Yichud for sure, but by 1949 they're the sole remaining Allied power and the odds are stacked against them.

Is this in the right thread?
 

How bad is Turkey is it better/worse than in OTL, is it a liberal autocracy like in the 20s and 30s or more like the 'centrist' junta of the 80s and what are it relations like with the west?

What are relations like between the Third World bloc and the New Global Understanding?

How did France and the UK even accept not-democratic Spain and Portugal in to the EEC?

How was the Republic of China able to grab all that land on the mainland and what are relations like between the three China's?

How does Singapore feel about the civil war that is happening in Indonesia?

Is Bulgaria more like Poland or like the Soviet Union?
 
How bad is Turkey is it better/worse than in OTL, is it a liberal autocracy like in the 20s and 30s or more like the 'centrist' junta of the 80s and what are it relations like with the west?

What are relations like between the Third World bloc and the New Global Understanding?

How did France and the UK even accept not-democratic Spain and Portugal in to the EEC?

How was the Republic of China able to grab all that land on the mainland and what are relations like between the three China's?

How does Singapore feel about the civil war that is happening in Indonesia?

Is Bulgaria more like Poland or like the Soviet Union?

  1. The Turks want nothing to do with the West. Government wise, they're a blend between the Ataturk autocracy and the military dictatorship of the 80's. Ankara has a hate boner for the UAR and the Saudis.
  2. Relations between the two blocs are friendly, but there's plenty of economic/military rivalry over spheres of influence.
  3. Realpolitik and the need for trade agreements.
  4. The Cantonese are eschewing their Chinese past in favour of a new national identity. Relations between the two Chinese states are tense but are kept afloat by free trade agreements.
  5. Singapore is profiting from the war by acting as a neutral port for PMCs and other gun running groups in the region.
  6. Bulgaria is a faithful ally of the USSR with a market economy. The two states are pretty much on-par with each other relations wise, although the Bulgars tend to be slightly more authoritarian than the Soviets at times.
Send me some more questions if you want, I'd love to answer them. :)
 
  1. The Turks want nothing to do with the West. Government wise, they're a blend between the Ataturk autocracy and the military dictatorship of the 80's. Ankara has a hate boner for the UAR and the Saudis.
  2. Relations between the two blocs are friendly, but there's plenty of economic/military rivalry over spheres of influence.
  3. Realpolitik and the need for trade agreements.
  4. The Cantonese are eschewing their Chinese past in favour of a new national identity. Relations between the two Chinese states are tense but are kept afloat by free trade agreements.
  5. Singapore is profiting from the war by acting as a neutral port for PMCs and other gun running groups in the region.
  6. Bulgaria is a faithful ally of the USSR with a market economy. The two states are pretty much on-par with each other relations wise, although the Bulgars tend to be slightly more authoritarian than the Soviets at times.
Send me some more questions if you want, I'd love to answer them. :)

All right than.

1. I can understand that the Turkish hate for the Saudi's (in OTL the Kemalists really hate the Saudi's as well), but why do they hate the UAR so much?

2. Is the Visegrad region right-populist like in OTL?

3. Is Australia more conservative?

4. What is the Cape Town republic like?

5. Is there a (Islamic) insurgency in Afghanistan and how bad is it?

6. Is Rhodesia a rogue state?
 
All right than.

1. I can understand that the Turkish hate for the Saudi's (in OTL the Kemalists really hate the Saudi's as well), but why do they hate the UAR so much?

2. Is the Visegrad region right-populist like in OTL?

3. Is Australia more conservative?

4. What is the Cape Town republic like?

5. Is there a (Islamic) insurgency in Afghanistan and how bad is it?

6. Is Rhodesia a rogue state?

  1. The UAR and Turkey are vying for influence over the MidEast, with Israel and Saudi caught in the middle
  2. Yes, but they're just a little bit more moderate than OTL.
  3. Joh Bjelke-Petersen became PM during the 1980's in a Reagan/Thatcher-esque swing to the Right, leading to modern day Australia to be the US of the Pacific in all but name, albeit with a Parliamentary Republican system...
  4. The Cape Republic is a liberal (read, black dominated) state. There is a small Afrikaner populace remaining there, but the majority of the 'liberal' Afrikaner/Anglo/Griqua/Cape Malay populations are either in the UK, DDR, Netherlands or Australia/NZ.
  5. Only the most die-hard of Islamists are fighting against Kabul, seeing that the current Afghan regime has blended Islam and Socialism together.
  6. They often tow the line between rogue state and a stereotypical African dictatorship, albeit under the rule of whitey instead of some tin-pot black fella.
 
An idea for the democracy chapter: a democracy that is a de facto one party state because it is so culturally and politically dominated by a much larger, neighboring authoritarian power that the people of the democracy fear that voting for a party that's too hostile to the neighboring superpower will lead to war.
 
An idea for the democracy chapter: a democracy that is a de facto one party state because it is so culturally and politically dominated by a much larger, neighboring authoritarian power that the people of the democracy fear that voting for a party that's too hostile to the neighboring superpower will lead to war.
Mayhaps an alternate Finland with an Early Cold War POD?
 
Mayhaps an alternate Finland with an Early Cold War POD?
Or a City of London with some PoD leading to it developing its independent customs system into greater independence? Perhaps King Charles could win the English Civil War in the rest of the kingdom, but have to come to a compromise with the rabidly pro-Parliament London?
 
Or a City of London with some PoD leading to it developing its independent customs system into greater independence? Perhaps King Charles could win the English Civil War in the rest of the kingdom, but have to come to a compromise with the rabidly pro-Parliament London?

Uh....
 

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Idea: A surviving Islamic State that either, mellows out and adopts post humanistic ideals saying, "Allah's utopia shall be achieved with the future', or a Technocratic-Islamic society?
 
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