Hitler... As a COMMUNIST!?
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Hopefully, he won't just become another Stalin (Fuhrerprinzip and all that...)
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"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?
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Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm glad you're all exicted and hope I don't disappoint. This is probably the most ambitious thing I've written to date and apologies if there's ever any delays, it will hopefully be in trying to keep things as plausible, or as life-like, as possible.
Before we begin, special thanks to @Lord Roem for this fantastic frontispiece!
Before we begin, special thanks to @Lord Roem for this fantastic frontispiece!
WOW!Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm glad you're all exicted and hope I don't disappoint. This is probably the most ambitious thing I've written to date and apologies if there's ever any delays, it will hopefully be in trying to keep things as plausible, or as life-like, as possible.
Before we begin, special thanks to @Lord Roem for this fantastic frontispiece!
The Hammer and the Sword! That's the banner of Strasser's Black Front!
This is gonna be amazing...
This also means... WW2: Soviet Union and Red Germany vs Europe and Japan!
Prologue
'"If you don't help me, I'll die," said the poor girl.
The businessman looked up again from his ledgers. Then he threw his quill pen onto the table impatiently.
"You don't figure in my accounts! So--be off with you--to the poorhouse!"
"If you don't help me, I'll set fire to the woods," the girl persisted.
That brought the man to his feet, but the girl had already struck one of her matches.
She held it to a tuft of dry grass which flared up instantly.
The man threw up his arms. "God help me!" he shouted. "The red cock has crowed!"
The girl looked up at him with a playful smile.
"You didn't know I was a communist, did you?"’
~ Sophie's World, Jostein Gaarder
The businessman looked up again from his ledgers. Then he threw his quill pen onto the table impatiently.
"You don't figure in my accounts! So--be off with you--to the poorhouse!"
"If you don't help me, I'll set fire to the woods," the girl persisted.
That brought the man to his feet, but the girl had already struck one of her matches.
She held it to a tuft of dry grass which flared up instantly.
The man threw up his arms. "God help me!" he shouted. "The red cock has crowed!"
The girl looked up at him with a playful smile.
"You didn't know I was a communist, did you?"’
~ Sophie's World, Jostein Gaarder
'At its best, socialism is a prophetic, passionate, generous creed, which brings longed-for justice for many people. But in its utopian varieties, it has a major flaw.
It does not believe in sin.'
Rev. Ron Ferguson
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‘Reverend Ferguson would never be called a particularly leading scholar of socialism by its adherents, however his quote does catch the basis of the tragic truth about the world’s most destructive ideology. To this day it is a belief system that all forward thinking individuals must be wary of.
The basis of socialism can be found in the early texts of the Abrahamic religions. The disdain for greed and selfishness, whether in Allah, God or Yahweh was also matched with a strong emphasis on equality, all were equal in the eyes of their creator.
“Utopian” socialism as it was derided by its critics continued to emphasise a largely Christian overview of the world in the wake of the industrial revolution, this early stage of capitalism was ruthlessly exploitative in the pursuit of wealth and seemingly the most contrary attitude to Christianity despite its vices being ignored or even officially sanctioned by many leading Christian sects. Individuals such as Bruno Bauer and Wilhelm Weitling were involved in groups such as the “League of the Just” which was actively focused on returning society to a holier, more egalitarian basis.
It is an interesting thought experiment to conjure up images of what socialism may have achieved if it had stayed down this path, though of course we all know that it did not. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels would soon sabotaged much of the good, Christian, work of socialism for their own ends.
It was on this basis that sin was forgotten about, for it was unscientific.
Christianity was replaced with Jean Jacques Rousseau and Friedrich Hegel by these self-proclaimed "scientific" socialists. Rousseau’s projection that God had never existed was somewhat contradicted by his notion of an early society that bore similarities to the Garden of Eden, where men and women frolicked and copulated in a paradise, hunting and gathering in a state of true freedom. Hierarchies had been created in the name of advancement though in Rousseau's eyes these had ruined the basic spirt of humanity.
The notion that all people are fundamentally good might seem harmless, if naïve, yet in the first half of the twentieth century tens of millions saw that belief skewed to the extent that the bodies piled higher than ever during the revolutionary terror in France. Rousseau based his worldview on the notion of mankind existing in a state of dependency. Everyone had become reliant on everyone else, even the top of this hierarchy were 'in chains' as he put it, for all their worth was based on their tentative control of others. Whilst he was resigned to the fact that mankind could never return to the utopian 'state of nature' Rousseau had envisaged, the Swiss writer nonetheless argued that mankind could return to an egalitarian state that would allow us to be freed from the 'chains' hierarchy had forced us into.
On the basis of Rousseau being right, Europe would have to endure Robespierre, Stalin, and eventually Hitler. The logic became the basis of a new type of person who would actively seek friendship and harmony when freed from notions of class conflict. On this basis violence became fundamentally acceptable. Rousseau openly advocated violence against those opposed to the new society he envisaged, arguing without a hint of irony that people would in a sense have been 'forced to be free' by what he termed 'the General Will', the alleged incarnation of a governing morality of humanity that hierarchy prevented us from retaining.
Friedrich Hegel was not nearly as romantic, yet he nonetheless believed in the inevitably of a utopia that would be brought about by ideals similar to Rousseau’s. Where Rousseau, had his 'General Will', Hegel had his 'World Truth' which motivated a new notion of history. Society evolved in an conscious deliberate manner according to Hegel, the stronger elements replacing the weak to further advance the human race. Hegel was no idealist, and whilst Marx adopted much of his theory the father of modern, "scientific", socialism argued that Hegel's theories were backwards.
According to Marx there were no grand ideals of liberty occupying the mind of the industrial worker, material conditions exemplified the true hierarchy in society and harmony could only be achieved from this era of class conflict via violent revolution. Rather than using his often valuable analysis of inequality and exploitation to encourage dialogue and reform, Marx prepared to tear the world apart on the basis of restoring society to a proper equity.
We should not tar all socialists with the same brush, Marx’s ideology of violence was not the be all and end all of the socialist pantheon, the delusional creed of harmony via violence was not the only interpretation of worker’s rights. The British socialist movement has always been emphasised more by socialism’s early Christian principles rather than Marx’s chaos.
Amongst the discord of violent ideologies in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, British socialists such as Keir Hardie had campaigned for a more equal and peaceful society, he would live to see the bastardisation of his own beliefs, though he did warn of what what was to come. Hardie died during the First World War, a murderous and fundamentally pointless conflict where millions died on the whim of political elites. Countless numbers of people killed in the name of those overwhelming ideals of Empire, Monarchy, and Nationalism that had each in their own way dominated the course of history in Europe and in much of the world during the nineteenth century. It was in this arena that Marx, and his adherents in Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler could expose the hypocrisy of those who decried their brand of socialism as dangerous when the old orders had led to such slaughter.
Throughout Europe, many workers wanted something new, an equal distribution of power and wealth to prevent such elites from ever starting a similar conflict. Few who were engaged in this slaughter contemplated the notion that their sons would be engaged in an ever larger conflict for even greater ideals. Those powerless masses who believed they had been abused by a powerful few for far too long would soon realise that they had placed their trust in individuals prone to far more destruction and violence than had been seen in the history of mankind. The existential reasons these men fought for allowed no quarter to be spared in their eyes.
If the First World War was a war of empires, the Second World War was one of class.’
~ British Papers on the Second World War, Prof. James Brown
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Sophie's World is a very enjoyable read and I'd recommend it to anyone.
The painting is simply Untitled by Malangatana Ngwenya, based on his experiences during the Mozambican War of Independence.
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Even if Adolf succeed in transforming Germany in a communist nation he will not be able to repeat OTL feat; both France and Great Britain will be much much more esitant to give concession to a communist nation and Benny while capable of commerce and interact diplomatically and economically with a communist state if it suit (or at least allow the italian industries to do that) will not ally himself with the red if his life depends on it (as in all honesty...his life depend on not do it) and annexing Austria will be a big no no.
An alliance between him and Stalin will be also been difficult, expecially in the long term...Uncle Joe was adamant in be the only leader in the communist world and anyone in charge in Germany will be both too powerfull and independent for his taste.
An alliance between him and Stalin will be also been difficult, expecially in the long term...Uncle Joe was adamant in be the only leader in the communist world and anyone in charge in Germany will be both too powerfull and independent for his taste.
At this point I don't trust them not to have replaced evolution in their school science curricula.
What a bold project, can't wait to see where this goes! Also my mind is ringing out like an alarm "please let Marxist Hitler have the deepest solidarity with Jewish people, please let Marxist Hitler have the deepest solidarity with Jewish people." I really hope Hitler's communist turn disabuses him of his anti-semitism and other interpersonal prejudices.
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He's still gonna do the Holocaust, because as we all know, which minority in Germany works their asses off in spite of everything to get where they are and are therefore counterrevolutionaries who need to be wiped out CUZ TEH JOOS R CAPITALIST PIGS!!!
I'm actually not sure the USSR and Germany will work out. Assuming Stalin isn't butterflied away he and Hitler face the issue of being two megalomaniacs running Great Powers. There just isn't enough room in Europe for both of them (although it is possible the pressures of war would be a glue, much like it was with Stalin and the WAllies).
If they don't kill each other first; said that, a communist Hitler doesn't mean that Red Germany it's a given for the future
That looks interesting. It already happened to me thinking of a Nazi prominent figure, Goebbels, turning Communist (I believe he was close to them in the first times), but I certainly didn't expect Hitler.